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Ridiculous, ineffective security at airports.
Myself | 11-25-1 | Myself

Posted on 11/25/2001 2:21:03 PM PST by Magician

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To: Big Bunyip
I kept saying, why don't you give me a good feel down there. I don't mind. Have a good poke around since you've already turned out the cuffs on my pants. How can you search my socks if you don't search my crotch?" Well, she refused. (Can't say I blame her) But it does make a mockery of the rest of the procedure.

I would almost have paid for the price of a ticket to see you saying that. I think that I would have literally been ROFL to watch it.

I think my flying days are pretty much over, save for the long trip that I may make some day. I can get to Orlando in 9 hours to visit the family, and Cleveland in 9 hours to visit my friends. And, I can take means for self protection with me. And, nobody is going to steal my CD's or nail clippers.

21 posted on 11/25/2001 3:34:33 PM PST by meyer
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To: FreedomsCause
"and my handbag (which was searched away from the area and out of my line of vision."

What?? They are headed for big trouble if they keep that up! I sure don't like the idea of ANYONE going thru my handbag/purse - much less out of my line of vision. (Even when you are asked by a policeman, or car inspector to give them your driver's license, they ask you to take it out of your wallet and hand it to them. They don't want to touch your wallet.) The airport and their handlers just might come across someone who says things are missing from their bag after their search. Knowing that this is the procedure - someone could set them up. (Almost wish they would be!)

22 posted on 11/25/2001 3:37:50 PM PST by Exit148
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To: TomGuy
Be thankful...maybe those security measures are more effective than YOU think.

There are reasonable security measures and unreasonable ones. With the exception of the "security at any cost" crowd, it is the unreasonable measures that generate the complaints and hostility. They are going to become irritating that many will choose not to fly, not because of fear of flying, but because of allergies to pointless bureaucratic BS.

How about if we just have everyone fly naked. This would ease the crowding at the security gates, and would really enhance security.

23 posted on 11/25/2001 3:42:07 PM PST by Random Access
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To: zeugma
"yet the idiots in charge still require that you be asked if someone else packed your luggage."

What would happen if you said that someone else packed your luggage? Or - to the question about the luggage being in your presense at all times --- what if you said 'no'? HeeHee!

24 posted on 11/25/2001 3:43:01 PM PST by Exit148
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To: Exit148
I used to tell them that "Well my butler Jeeves packed my bags today like he's done for the past 10 years. You think he was trying to sneak something through? Not Jeeves!"
I probably shouldn't say that now.
25 posted on 11/25/2001 3:46:17 PM PST by lelio
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To: Exit148
I've long figured that it would just boggle their minds so much they might forget to breathe. Hmmm... That's an idea!
26 posted on 11/25/2001 3:50:13 PM PST by zeugma
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To: TomGuy
TomGuy- Do you work for Argenbright? No, seriously. Because your response to this post makes NO SENSE otherwise.

You might recall that ALMOST ALL of the flights on 9/11 "landed safely", too. Was that due to wonderful airport security measures?

Or is passenger screening a time and money-wasting farce?

27 posted on 11/25/2001 4:00:04 PM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: TomGuy
Every Saturday, I put a fresh salmon next to my furnace to prevent house fires. In the seven years I've been doing it, I've never had a house fire. So it must work.

You can't prove a negative. The fact that his plane wasn't hijacked is not evidence that the current security system is effective.

When I flew back to MSP from DFW on 9/14, my plane wasn't hijacked either. I doubt that it had anything to do with the ticketing agent telling me to take the batteries out of my CD player and travel clock (but I could leave both batteries in my laptop), or stopping curbside baggage check in, or closing down hundreds of parking spaces at MSP, or the cursory check of my carry on, they never asked me to turn on the laptop, and on and on and on. All of the new security measures may be prudent, I can see where they can address particular kinds of security threats, primarliy bombs, but they have nothing to do with addressing the type of threat that manifested itself on 9/11. In light of the current threat, the contigency plans seem to be remarakably focused on preventing another Lockerbie incident.

And the rub is that it's going to be difficult to prevent a motivated suicidal maniac who believes that his actions will result in instant martyrdom without getting some poeple's noses out of joint, and engaging in profiling of one form or another. There will always be some way to circumvent security, they just need to figure out where the current system is weak. In the meantime, we're being patted paternally on the head and told that these measures are making us safe. I don't know that they are.

28 posted on 11/25/2001 5:07:09 PM PST by Slainte
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To: Random Access
How about we just have everyone fly naked-------- You bet baby- that would keep this old girl home and uncrowd the concourse.
29 posted on 11/25/2001 5:43:24 PM PST by footstomper
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To: DoughtyOne
...doing nothing less than prepping them for a police state.

If you're that paranoid, you should just come out and say so...

30 posted on 11/25/2001 5:52:35 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Magician
I asked a security guard at Wal-Mart yesterday who was wearing a sidearm if he knew that he was better armed than the National Guard at city airports (with M-16s without magazines). He didn't know. He was shocked.

But by golly, any terrorists at Wal-Mart in the middle of nowhere in North Idaho are in for Big Trouble they try any funny business!

31 posted on 11/25/2001 5:57:57 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: Magician
I need to travel from Syracuse to Hartford next weekend for a consulting job. The company I am working for offered to fly me but I told them I'd rather drive instead. After all, travel time is now not that much different and I can bring my nailclippers with me. The inconvenience and unpleasantness of flying will kill the short-haul business, IMHO.
32 posted on 11/25/2001 5:58:18 PM PST by jalisco555
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To: Big Bunyip; Magician
""We can't discriminate," she responded as she squeezed my lapels for godknowswhat. "She must have repeated that 20 times."

What do you expect? Within a day or two of the resumption of air traffic, the FAA was reminding airports that they could not discriminate in their security efforts.

"At the gate, about every tenth person was randomly selected for a "detailed" search of their carry-on luggage. It seemed that most of those selected were elderly grey-haired Americans, both male and female. These were people that one could say with virtually 100 percent assurance were NOT terrorists."

A TV journalist related an incident on her travels where she was selected for a "random gate search". She said a matronly woman approached her and ASKED if she could do a search. The security person explained that she had to do a certain number of searches and that she had asked this journalist because she seemed nice. One wonders if she would have searched a fierce looking, middle-eastern, young male?

Of course, my favorite incident was when my NG unit returned from an exercise in Korea in 1990. At Anchorage, airport security confiscated our pocket knives. We were flying with weapons. Must have been 300 pistols, rifles, machine guns, and grenade launchers laying in the ailes or in the overheads, countless bayonets, etc. The flight crew returned the pocket knives on take-off.

33 posted on 11/25/2001 5:59:18 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Magician
Not exactly news. The inspections are strictly for show. Similar at County Courthouse in Mke--where old taxpayer like me has to give up the 1" blade on my nail-clipper set due to "security" concerns. What a crock of crap!!!

I prefer the El Al theory: profiles make sense.

After all is said and done, this merely degrades respect for the law on the part of the law-abiding. Another step on the route to chaos before we get OUR dictator-in-chief...

34 posted on 11/25/2001 6:07:01 PM PST by ninenot
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To: jalisco555
I drive any time it is practical. I drove to New York from N. Carolina and back to see a daughter three weeks ago. It took eight and one half hours each way. Flying would have taken about five and one half hours each way if one counts driving to and from airports, getting to the airport two hours in advance, and flight time. I figured it was worth the three extra hours each way to avoid the hassle. Not to mention saving a few hundred dollars and having my own car in New York.
35 posted on 11/25/2001 6:16:24 PM PST by Magician
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To: Magician
Went through inter-island security at Honolulu, travelling to Hilo. The random security search pissed off everyone who was searched. No one came through that search looking happy. The thing was that they searched an old Japanese man (who looked old enough to be a WWII 442nd veteran), a 14 year old girl, the nice Filipino couple with a baby (and multiple bags), and the Portuguese grandmother. None of those people matched the profile of "Middle Eastern male".

The airport terminals had National Guard with M16s. Like they would cut loose with those weapons inside the terminal. The collateral damage would be horrific. They need weapons more suited to up close, minimum penetration scenarios.

All in all, the new security didn't make me feel more secure, just more annoyed and lucky that I wasn't selected for the search. If that's all the government and the airlines are going to do, then I'm not flying as often as I used to. I doubt most people are.

36 posted on 11/25/2001 8:15:31 PM PST by etcetera
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Do they search the planes that are flown in prisons?
(big prisons?)(Island prisons? ala 'Devil's Island')(Continental prisons? ala Austrailia?) etc.?
37 posted on 11/25/2001 8:31:13 PM PST by maestro
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To: SCalGal
I do agree that most newspapers in this country are dangerous, but only if you read them.
39 posted on 11/26/2001 4:36:26 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Magician
Until they screen most of the check-in luggage, there will be a glaring hole in security.
40 posted on 11/26/2001 4:39:09 PM PST by breakem
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