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TWA FLIGHT 800
3rd party | 11/27/01 | Fred Roberts

Posted on 11/27/2001 1:52:03 PM PST by sandydipper

Today I had conversation with a commercial pilot who said that in July of 1996 just after the SHOOT DOWN of TWA800 a co-worker also a commercial pilot told him that he was sent to Paris to pick up the TWA president and fly him back to DC. The second pilot was a military pilot at the time and said that as soon as they returned to DC the TWA guy was helicoptered to the White House.


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It appears to me that the fix was in and that TWA was "on board" from the get go.

Why can't the politico's just tell us the truth? The Stingers that the Taliban are alleged to be missing have been used against our own airlines. The FBI and CIA were sleeping at the gate and for "national security" reasons we aren't supposed to know the truth.

Kick me gently - this is my first post.

1 posted on 11/27/2001 1:52:03 PM PST by sandydipper (sandidipir@aol.com)
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To: sandydipper
Totally believable. Thanks for posting it.
But who is Fred? Your friend?
2 posted on 11/27/2001 1:56:10 PM PST by japaneseghost
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To: sandydipper
Just one more item on the massive pile of evidence that TWA 800 was shot down. Thanks for the post.
4 posted on 11/27/2001 2:02:02 PM PST by GingisK
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To: sandydipper
My personal conclusion is that TWA Flight 800 was shot down but that the most recent crash was an accident.

Your post is one more straw in the wind, and I suppose some enterprising news person could follow up on it to see where the President of TWA was at the time and whether he visited the White House as claimed. But without names and corroborating facts, it doesn't mean very much.

Clinton covered up and lied reflexively, and the media were happy to back him to the hilt. I won't say that Bush wouldn't cover up if he thought there was good reason to do so, but so far I think the evidence is the other way.

5 posted on 11/27/2001 2:02:57 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Cicero
"Clinton covered up and lied reflexively, and the media were happy to back him to the hilt. I won't say that Bush wouldn't cover ..."

Bush most certainly knows the facts here, so he is complicent if flight 800 was shot down.
7 posted on 11/27/2001 2:06:38 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: sandydipper
"3rd Party," huh? Sounds like "hearsay" then.

This is such steaming, REEKING BULLSH*T!

8 posted on 11/27/2001 2:12:39 PM PST by Illbay
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To: gjenkins
God knows we hate complicenty.
9 posted on 11/27/2001 2:16:04 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: sandydipper
Here is a real tough question: Which is a more likely reason for the Bush Administration to conform to the same TWA 800 coverup strategy set in place by the Clinton Administration ?:

(A) Both administrations decided to conceal, for diplomatic reasons, a foreign terrorist attack on US citizens on a US airline.

(B) Both administrations decided to conceal, for reasons of national security, a friendly fire accidental shootdown of a US commercial aircraft.

Try not to pick the one you would like to be true.

Pick the one that is most logical.

10 posted on 11/27/2001 2:18:17 PM PST by doyle
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To: sandydipper
The x42 and staff perfected cover up, I hope more people will come forward to expose the fraud who thought he was king.
11 posted on 11/27/2001 2:20:51 PM PST by boomop1
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To: MadameAxe
FYI.
12 posted on 11/27/2001 2:23:24 PM PST by Howlin
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To: doyle
Right. And your radar verification of the missile is . . . where? Why is it that Rivero or NONE of the conspiracy kooks have EVER produced a SINGLE RADAR IMAGE of a missile??? Oh, we don't need that. Their word is good enough. Some red residue on a seat cover that could have been from virtually ANYTHING---except a missile that actually exploded (and which doesn't leave residue like that)is supposed to be a case for a "shoot down." Time to give this one a rest in the same coffin as the Masons, the Rothschilds, and Hangar 18.
13 posted on 11/27/2001 2:23:33 PM PST by LS
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To: GingisK
Uh, it's a massive pile of something, but not evidence.
14 posted on 11/27/2001 2:26:37 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: Angus_Day
Give me evidence and those satellite jpgs showing the launch of the stinger towards Flight 800. It will be interesting to see where the launch came from. But it all went the way of the grassy knoll , the missing shooter and suicidal clintonistas...didn't it. 6 posted on 11/27/01 3:03 PM Pacific by Angus_Day [

Why don't you get ahold of Mr .Fibber McGee KALLSTROM and ask him to explain the 30-Knot boat, heading away fron crash site from almost directly below it, that he (Kallstrom) "morphed" into a Helicopter. What was up with that big lie?! Huh Huh Huh?

Then he had to quit that lie when he realised that a rougue helicopter, flying helter skelter around N.Y. and" nobody" know who it is, or where there from, or where they went is totally unbelievable, and would be darn right scary if it were true!

So how about it--was it a 30-Knot boat, or was it, as Kallstrom said on national t.v., a helicopter?!

15 posted on 11/27/2001 2:27:06 PM PST by timestax
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To: sandydipper
It was reported at the time that the President of TWA was taken to the Pentagon the next day. One other report said the government bought a new plane for TWA. I have nothing to support any of that except that I remember reading it at the time.
16 posted on 11/27/2001 2:27:28 PM PST by OK
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To: Angus_Day
Give me evidence and those satellite jpgs showing the launch of the stinger towards Flight 800. It will be interesting to see where the launch came from. But it all went the way of the grassy knoll , the missing shooter and suicidal clintonistas...didn't it. 6 posted on 11/27/01 3:03 PM Pacific by Angus_Day [

Why don't you get ahold of Mr .Fibber McGee KALLSTROM and ask him to explain the 30-Knot boat, heading away fron crash site from almost directly below it, that he (Kallstrom) "morphed" into a Helicopter. What was up with that big lie?! Huh Huh Huh?

Then he had to quit that lie when he realised that a rougue helicopter, flying helter skelter around N.Y. and" nobody" know who it is, or where there from, or where they went is totally unbelievable, and would be darn right scary if it were true!

So how about it--was it a 30-Knot boat, or was it, as Kallstrom said on national t.v., a helicopter?!

17 posted on 11/27/2001 2:27:58 PM PST by timestax
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To: clintonh8r
lol complicent=complicit
18 posted on 11/27/2001 2:31:18 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: LS
Right. And your radar verification of the missile is . . . where? Why is it that Rivero or NONE of the conspiracy kooks have EVER produced a SINGLE RADAR IMAGE of a missile???

If that is your standard, you will forever be dissatisfied. Missles, especially the smaller ones that might be launched from a small boat, rarely have enough radar cross section to produce a radar "hit", oh you might get one every ever 10 or more sweeps if the geometry was just right, but then again you might not. They don't carry transponders either, so the only possibility would be a skin paint, and as I said, that is unlikely. Even larger missles, such as Sparrows and AMMRAAMS rarely show up on radar.

19 posted on 11/27/2001 2:31:37 PM PST by El Gato
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To: timestax
No mention of the Egypt Air hijack and crash by a man mumbling to Allah. Was he a Taliban OBL sympathizer? The man flew the aircraft into the ocean and he supposedly wore a pilots uniform. No mention of this maniac at all after 09/11/2001?
20 posted on 11/27/2001 2:34:21 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: Cicero
My guess is that Bush knows all about what really happened under the Clintons, and is well aware of the very thorough housecleaning -- and possibly head-rolling bloodbath -- that we need in both the CIA and FBI. But he also realizes that to undertake it right this minute and let the full truth about what happened come out now would totally discredit our entire government and demoralize much of our population. It would also leave these agencies decimated right at the time when we are most in need of manpower. Thus, I suspect that Bush has decided to defer the investigations and housecleaning until we get the immediate business out of the way. He has also probably decided to: a) keep everyone in those agencies on a extremely tight leash and watched like a hawk; and b) give those few good guys who somehow managed to hang on through the Clintons to prove themselves now, and thus win a reprieve.

When we do wrap up the immediate and critical phase of ops overseas and the investigations start, it isn't going to be pretty, folks. I expect to see hundreds of people forced to resign, and several dozens ultimately prosecuted, possibly even for treason.

21 posted on 11/27/2001 2:34:24 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Howlin
Thanks. Here's a thread from August 2000: WE SAW TWA FLIGHT 800 SHOT DOWN BY MISSILES! . Sorry about the excruciatingly slow loading time - it has a scan of the full page Washington Times ad taken out by some of the eyewitnesses. Or, maybe it's just my piddly dial-up connection...
22 posted on 11/27/2001 2:35:15 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: oldironsides
Yeah, and NOW we know about those islamic muslim monkeys, stealing uniforms,and I.D.s. That's how he could have gotten access to cockpit.
23 posted on 11/27/2001 2:38:50 PM PST by timestax
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To: MadameAxe
D'oh; my mistake. The thread was posted in November 2000. The ad was taken out in August.
24 posted on 11/27/2001 2:39:37 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: LS
Right. And your radar verification of the missile is . . . where?

All over the Internet for anyone who cares to look.

They're on Rivero's site someplace. (I'd supply a link but I get the feeling you wouldn't look anyway, for some strange reason.) Ian Goddard has posted them. Paris Match has published them. Kallstrom et al. call these images (Note the "s." There's more than one, and they move in a time sequence on a collision course with the TWA 800 radar returns.) on ATC radar "anomalies."

ML/NJ

25 posted on 11/27/2001 3:06:21 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Illbay
Hearsay, but from a fellow pilot. You can do better than to claim it is BS without any evidence, not even hearsay.
26 posted on 11/27/2001 3:32:42 PM PST by eno_
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To: ml/nj
TWA 800- who speaks for the dead?

-Index of TWA 800 articles--

-Index of TWA 800--Archive articles--

Pretty sure there are references to the "30-knot track" in all of that...

27 posted on 11/27/2001 3:40:05 PM PST by backhoe
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To: timestax
Why don't you get ahold of Mr .Fibber McGee KALLSTROM and ask him to explain the 30-Knot boat, heading away fron crash site from almost directly below it, that he (Kallstrom) "morphed" into a Helicopter. What was up with that big lie?! Huh Huh Huh?

More mythology from the "fifth grade was a bear -- both years" crowd. There are literally thousands of boats and hundreds of aircraft in the New York area at any time.

Let's see, when a missile is fired at an aircraft there is a very bright exhaust and a LARGE plume of smoke that lingers. Some witnesses saw a momentary "streak of light." Hmmm... sounds more like a Buck Rogers Death Ray. NO witness saw the lingering smoke plume. Hey, Mr. "huh huh huh," how come there was no shrapnel damage on the airframe? How come the explosion came from inside the plane and not out? (believe it or not, people who study this stuff can tell which side the blast was on... because the metal bends away from it. Imagine that!).

How come there are several other cases of these explosions?

How come the only theory for which there's physical evidence is an internal fuel explosion?

How come spectrographic analysis shows no explosives residue? Do you know what spectrographic analysis is and why they used it?

Then he had to quit that lie when he realised that

And your proof that it is a lie is... the fact that you don't agree with it? Okay, I'll take your word over the army of criminal and aviation investigators who spent a year of more of their lives on this case.

a rougue helicopter,

You probably mean rogue (uncontrolled, indisciplined). Of course you could mean rouge in which case we know whose helicopter it is, RuPaul's. But what you wrote is not a common English word.

flying helter skelter around N.Y.

Actually, whoever was flying it probably had a reason.

and" nobody" know who it is, or where there from, or where they went is totally unbelievable, and would be darn right scary if it were true!

Well, get scared, because (prior to 9/11, and again when the National Airspace System returns to normalcy) you can actually take your helicopter and fly it in lots of places, even right in New York City (there is a VFR corridor around Manhattan in normal times). You not only don't need to talk to any controller, they would actually just as soon you didn't and just followed the rules (they're busy guys and gals in there!). You can also take a boat and go for a cruise or a sail without telling a single soul. You can get into your car and drive to Chicago and Mayor Daley won't have the slightest idea you are coming. It is a concept called freedom of movement, present in all free societies and absent in all police states.

Perhaps you preferred the Soviet system where one's comings and goings are logged by professional snoops in every block.

I won't bother to correct the grammar in the sentence I quoted. It was a mess, but perfectly comprehensible. But you should check things carefully, because no one will take your writing seriously unless you bring it up to middle school level.

So how about it--was it a 30-Knot boat, or was it, as Kallstrom said on national t.v., a helicopter?!

So what earthly difference does it make when the aircraft was absolutely, positively not hit by a missile? And where there is utterly no sign of a missile having been fired, except for some eyewitnesses seeing a "streak of light" which is not what a surface-to-air missile resembles?

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

28 posted on 11/27/2001 3:53:41 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Let's see, when a missile is fired at an aircraft there is a very bright exhaust and a LARGE plume of smoke that lingers. Some witnesses saw a momentary "streak of light."

Shoulder-launched missiles persist for only a few seconds, just like fireworks do which many witnesses said it looked like. They don't leave a LARGE plume of smoke, and certainly not if the launch platform is out at sea.

NO witness saw the lingering smoke plume.

Not true - some claimed to see such a thing. One person even took a picture of it. The FBI confiscated the photos and negatives, won't release them, and then stated "dust was found to be on the negative." I'll bet it was, only film that was in a clean room the entire time won't have dust on it. Why don't they return the picture?

how come there was no shrapnel damage on the airframe?

There are puncture holes - look at the reconstruction photos. Medical examiner Charles Wetli stated "virtually ALL the bodies had shrapnel." Is this common in plane crashes? Why did the FBI stand over the medical examiners and confiscate every piece of shrapnel that was removed, as it was removed, and didn't turn them over? (And, now they are "lost?")

How come the explosion came from inside the plane and not out?

There's an incoming puncture wound on the plane on one side, and an out-going on the other. *Just* *like* when something external passes through.

How come there are several other cases of these explosions?

There are also cases of planes being shot down. Neither has any bearing on what happened to TWA 800.

How come the only theory for which there's physical evidence is an internal fuel explosion?

Because the FBI lost all the other evidence. Major Meyer, a National Guard helicopter pilot and eyewitness to the crash, took a piece of leading-edge wing, covered with puncture holes to an airport for transport to the Washington FBI lab. It's now gone. After the "red residue" made such a fuss, the FBI removed ALL the fabric that had it from the reconstruction. It, too, is now gone.

How come spectrographic analysis shows no explosives residue? Do you know what spectrographic analysis is and why they used it?

The first time they checked samples, they found lots of explosive traces - and even came up with a bogus dog training exercise to explain away how it got there, despite the fact that the traces were found in places the training exercise didn't go. When they took the metal pieces that had hits to their Washington lab, low and behold ALL of them came back negative. Surprise. Popular Science reported one witness to the recovery effort as having seen recovery personelle pressure-washing certain pieces. This is to preserve the traces of chemical evidence that might be on them, right?

And where there is utterly no sign of a missile having been fired, except for some eyewitnesses seeing a "streak of light" which is not what a surface-to-air missile resembles?

There were over a hundred people who saw something rise "from the surface," including several military people like Meyer who had seen missiles before and swear that is what they saw then.

It's a great example of a shoddy cover-up. Plenty of clues that it's all a sham, but good enough to convince most people that nothing's going on, nothing at all.

Does it bother you that Boeing itself stated they "did not fully understand the data" used to create the CIA animation - or that the CIA was even involved in the first place in making a show for the media on "what the witnesses REALLY saw"? Does it bother you that jet fuel will put out a burning rag, but that a spark you wouldn't feel on your hand blew the plane up? How about the fact that the zoom climb scenario advance by both the CIA and two other times by the NTSB - and each of the three inconsistent with the others - is aerodynamically impossible?

How about the fact that the passengers who were right above the center wing tank were hardly singed or cut up, despite the fact that they were sitting on top of the place that was supposed to have exploded, while people in the first class cabin were all cut up, and also the first ones ejected from the airplane?

How about the fact that the nose gear doors were pushed in - and among the first objects to come off the plane?

All of this is ok with you?

29 posted on 11/27/2001 4:29:21 PM PST by coloradan
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To: coloradan
Just FYI- I haven't seen this info published in a while:

CNN - First autopsy report released from...

30 posted on 11/27/2001 4:43:35 PM PST by backhoe
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To: sandydipper
I had heard the following from a senior TWA mechanic about 6 months after the shoot down (oops, incident) so take it as company gossip. The White House had the new TWA president (2 months in the job) in for a three hour session on the day following the crash. When he left the White House, he looked like had been through the 5th degree grilling and he wouldn't tell anyone anything within the corporation. He resigned a week later which surprised everyone because he had promised the share holders an aggressive two year restructuring program just the previous month.
31 posted on 11/27/2001 4:55:15 PM PST by Traction
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To: eno_
Your "hearsay" wouldn't even be allowed to open it's mouth in court. You can CLAIM that you "heard" someone say anything you want, but my declaration that it is "bullsh*t" is just as valid--if not moreso--as yours.
32 posted on 11/27/2001 7:28:46 PM PST by Illbay
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To: sandydipper
Stingers? Need something with more range than that, to have gotten Flt 800. Now maybe if the USN was having a live fire drill somewhere off the coast. Example, the Ukraine zapped a Russian plane doing that very thing.
33 posted on 11/27/2001 7:39:17 PM PST by vladog
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To: Traction
The CEO of TWA resigned two months after the crash, not one week.

The airline experienced its worst tragedy in July 1996, when Flight 800 exploded over the waters off Long Island, N.Y., killing all 230 on board.

That led to the resignation of Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Erickson in October 1996, following the announcement of a $14.3 million quarterly loss related to the crash.

34 posted on 11/27/2001 7:40:36 PM PST by Interesting Times
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To: doyle
Since there were witnesses to the shootdown, and George Steff a whats his name said the aircraft was shot down by terrorists, I think I will believe the terrorists shot it down, and that the Clinton administration didn't want us to know for whatever reason.
I do know that following the incident, a commission was formed on airline safety from this kind of thing, headed by Al Gore, which was then ignored after major contributions by the airlines.

Connect the dots.

35 posted on 11/27/2001 7:47:14 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: OK
It would be interesting to see the dates on the acquisition of new aircraft fleet from Boeing.
36 posted on 11/27/2001 7:51:24 PM PST by fliberman
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To: LS
Unless I misread something, the red residue is consistent with military rocket motors and was tested by Jim Sanders.
37 posted on 11/27/2001 7:53:38 PM PST by fliberman
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To: vladog
Stingers? Need something with more range than that, to have gotten Flt 800.

Stingers have a nominal ceiling of 10,000 feet, and TWA 800 was at 13,800. But the stingers are for taking out manueverable targets such as fighters and helicopters. For a 747 lumbering along straight and nearly level, the ceiling is substantially higher.

38 posted on 11/27/2001 7:57:07 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Looks like I hit a nerve huh?!!

Truth will out

39 posted on 11/27/2001 10:29:01 PM PST by timestax
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To: vladog
Why limit the discussion to Stingers? Al-Quaida had access to bigger SAMs, and, with a boat, they could be brought in and launched without being detected. Sure, launching a big SAM would mess up the paint on your Donzi, but as we now know, these people don't care much for their own lives, and would probably risk such an operation, and we know that the people who blew up the Cole spent a long time preparing a boat for that attack.

The eyewitness accounts include reports of people seeing the body of the missle. Seems like it would have to be larger than a Stinger for that to happen, even if it was a glint of sunlight off the missile.

There were also reports of a radar track of a boat (later claimed to have been a helicopter) from near the point where TWA800 blew up. As far as I know, the vessel, whatever it was, was never identified.

40 posted on 11/28/2001 5:31:23 AM PST by eno_
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To: sandydipper
Well, we have "a commercial pilot who spoke to another commercial pilot who spoke to Fred."

With an impeccable source such as this, the case can now be closed.

41 posted on 11/28/2001 5:37:26 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Interesting Times
I think Erickson was in that job for a couple of years, and that he resigned several months after TWA800 blew up. But I think it is also correct that his resignation came shortly after some visits to Washington about which nothing was said. He is now interim CEO of Air Afrique, the story of which is a capsule summary for why the Third World is such a hell-hole. He is reported to live in Scottsdale, AZ, and I would guess he telecommutes as much as possible. If I were closer, I would be curious enough to look him up and ask him about it.
42 posted on 11/28/2001 5:46:41 AM PST by eno_
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To: eno_
Maybe John and Paul or some other radio/media people can find this ex-CEO of TWA and ask him.

Or maybe tell him that since Clinton is GONE (thank God)
he could submit an affidavit before the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
telling the truth about FL800.

43 posted on 11/28/2001 6:53:54 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: eno_
Yeah, somebody needs to to talk with this dude!
44 posted on 11/28/2001 7:11:56 AM PST by timestax
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To: Criminal Number 18F
You forgot to "question my motives" !
45 posted on 11/28/2001 7:13:32 AM PST by timestax
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To: MadameAxe
bttt
46 posted on 11/28/2001 11:25:36 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Let's mention that the US Navy was in the vicinity that evening. This was originally denied, then admitted to.
47 posted on 11/29/2001 1:00:56 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: Tymesup
Let's mention that the US Navy was in the vicinity that evening. This was originally denied, then admitted to. 47 posted on 11/29/01 2:01 PM Pacific by Tymesup

That's right--Even if innocent, it sure does make Gubment look guilty as sin!!

48 posted on 11/29/2001 3:18:23 PM PST by timestax
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To: Tymesup
Let's mention that the US Navy was in the vicinity that evening. This was originally denied, then admitted to. 47 posted on 11/29/01 2:01 PM Pacific by Tymesup

That's right--Even if innocent, it sure does make Gubment look guilty as sin!!

49 posted on 11/29/2001 3:19:50 PM PST by timestax
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To: ladyinred; sandydipper; Cicero; Hobey Baker; LS; Criminal Number 18F; PBRSTREETGANG
"Since there were witnesses to the shootdown, - - - -".

No expert witness report analyst has ever stated there were any "shootdown" witnesses.

ex·pert (kspûrt) n.

A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists have still not been able to get even one expert witness report analyst to agree with their allegations about what the witnesses supposedly saw. Not even ONE.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists have still not been able to get even one metallurgist/material damage expert to agree with their "missile(s) shootdown" allegations. Not even ONE.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists have still not been able to produce any physical evidence of a missile(s) shootdown. NONE.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, the tinfoil hat "shootdown" conspiracy theorists have still not been able to get even one member of congress to support them. Not even ONE.

Although nearly 5 1/2 years have now gone by since the Flight 800 disaster, none of the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists have ever even been able to publicly present a sequential timeline of any of their differing alleged "shootdown" scenarios. NONE.

The following sequential timeline is from: The Myth of the Missile Witnesses

8:31:11 Intact and climbing 747 approaches 13,800 feet.

8:31:12 Initiating Event at 13,800 feet followed immediately by the commencement of the decapitation process.

8:31:47 explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet. The eyewitnesses contend that the Massive Fireball explosion was immediately preceded by the fiery streak.

8:31:55-8:31:57 splashdown of the Massive Fireball flames.

The sequential timeline tells the tale. For instance, there are allegations in the present thread that witness Meyer saw the alleged "shootdown" of the 747. Yet, it's obvious from the sequential timeline of the major events that Meyer could not have seen a missile(s) shootdown of the airliner at 13,800 feet only 3-4 seconds before he saw the huge fireball explode in its falling wreckage at about 5500-7500 feet. .

Which is just one of the reasons why the tinfoil hat "shootdown" conspiracy theorists have never been able to enlist the support of even one expert witness report analyst for their allegations about what Meyer supposedly saw, much less for any of the rest of their alleged "hundreds of missile(s) witnesses".

Yet, without the support of any expert witness report analysts - not even ONE, without the support of any metallurgical/material damage experts - not even ONE and without being able to publicly present even one speck of physical evidence - NONE, the tinfoil hat "shootdown" conspiracy theorists have continued non-stop for nearly 5 1/2 years now to wildly and recklessly accuse thousands of Americans of heinous crimes - including the accustion today that Presidence Bush is guilty of complicity in those wildly and recklessly alleged heinous crimes.

Such allegations inevitably incite suspicion, fear and hatred of the accused.

This country has been at war since 11 September 2001 with an enemy that incites suspicion, fear and hatred of the United States and its government. Thousands of Americans have already died in this war, thousands of our armed forces are in harms way and all of us are in great potential peril. By what logic are the tinfoil hat "shootdown" conspiracy theorists NOT giving aid and comfort to that enemy?

50 posted on 11/30/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by Asmodeus
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