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LoanPalm | Today | LoanPalm

Posted on 11/27/2001 1:54:20 PM PST by LonePalm

I am looking for specific recommendations for scanners and photo quality printers to attach to my home computer and possibly an additional digital camera. My wife is a photophile and I am the computer guru and chef (I know it is an odd compination but it works for me.).

I would like to upgrade the home comuter to allow her to do some of her photo stuff digitally.

I have a 950MHz Pentium 3, w/128Mb RAM, 2 CD ROMs (1 is r/w, the other is CD/DVD), tons of disk space, an Olympus D-320L Digital Camera, and a pitifully slow internet connection at home. We are running Windows ME (Makes Enemies). I already have PhotoDelux 2.0.

I am looking for the most bang for the buck but quality is the first consideration. If necessary, I will buy her her own omputer.

I would also like suggestions/recommendations on where to buy the stuff.


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Please help so I can surprise her (sort of) for Christmas. I don't know (or care) very much about photography but Mrs. Palm does.

Registered, et al, I need your help.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

1 posted on 11/27/2001 1:54:20 PM PST by LonePalm
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To: Registered
Please Help!
2 posted on 11/27/2001 1:55:13 PM PST by LonePalm
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To: LoanPalm
I'm interested also,

In the camera and printer!

3 posted on 11/27/2001 1:57:01 PM PST by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: LoanPalm
I have a Fuji 1.3 megapixel that does really great shots now, I am in the process of upgrading to the Fuji 4800 or 6900 Zoom, both have 2.5 megapixels that will give you a finished picture equal to 4.5 megapixels. Check out Steve's Digicams for sample pics. It is a tiny camera that fits in your hand and purse, and I love it. Check out Fuji.
4 posted on 11/27/2001 2:00:23 PM PST by greccogirl
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To: LoanPalm
Camera: too many good ones on the market. You'll have to do your own research.

Printer: Canon S800 six colour inkjet printer. Use Kodak or Ilford paper.

AB

5 posted on 11/27/2001 2:03:26 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: LoanPalm
In MY Humble Opinion
For ease of use, any of the various SONY Mavica digital cameras are hard to beat.
6 posted on 11/27/2001 2:04:01 PM PST by ~Peter
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To: ~Peter
I agree, the Sonys are excellent. I bought a Sony DSC-F505V a while ago with a Zeiss lense. EXCELLENT camera :)

Try MySimon.com for comparisons on camera prices. ProVantage.com usually has excellent prices on hardware/software.

7 posted on 11/27/2001 2:09:05 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: greccogirl
http://www.steves-digicams.com/diginews.html is an excellent resource for comparing the current digital camera offerings.
8 posted on 11/27/2001 2:10:12 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: LoanPalm
As far as the scanner thing goes:

I have a Cannon film scanner that I really like. It will scan 35 negs. or slides fairly quickly, and came with a SCSI card and cable and software and stuff. The only problem is that it scans only one negative at a time. If you want the ability to scan a whole roll at one go, Kodak has a small "SOHO" type unit for, I think, about $600.

I like the film scanner 'cause I still get to use my old fav. SLR, and I don't have the ridiculous problem of scanning a crummy 4x6 print, or even worse, having a print made only to scan and then print onto inkjet.

9 posted on 11/27/2001 2:10:59 PM PST by absalom01
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To: LoanPalm
Look to Olympus for their latest digital cameras with all the bells and whistles. For computer and printer/scanner source you can't beat WalMart for the Hewlitt Packard combinations they sell. Best bang for the buck. Kodak 'Soft Gloss' paper for photo printing.
10 posted on 11/27/2001 2:11:07 PM PST by winged1
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To: LoanPalm
I personally like the HP PhotoSmart Printers.  Click here for a description.

I would stick with the Olympus brand as I have been very impressed with my D-340R.  Depending on how much you want to spend you can go with the 4 megapixel unit and be in camera heaven.  Olympus has a rebate offer that gives you $300 off if you buy the 4 mp camera and their photo printer.  Click here for details.

11 posted on 11/27/2001 2:13:05 PM PST by oc-flyfish
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To: LoanPalm
If you're interested in small size and big telephoto, the Olympus C-700 has 10x optical and 2.7X digitial zoom, for a ~35-1000mm lens in a very compact package. 2.1 mega pixels. Got one, like it alot. (batteries are the only drawback, the Olympus lithiums are between 10 and 15 dollars each and you need two, for about 150 pictures, it will suck alkaline AAs dry real fast)
12 posted on 11/27/2001 2:15:50 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: LoanPalm
Here is your camera drool
13 posted on 11/27/2001 2:16:59 PM PST by sailrabbit
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To: LoanPalm
Hewlett Pacard 5100C or such is a good model...

Hewlett Packard makes good quality scanners

14 posted on 11/27/2001 2:17:08 PM PST by krodriguesdc
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To: LoanPalm
First step is to get at least 512 megs of memory while it's dirt cheap. Your CPU is plenty fast, but image editing eats memory.

Get a printer that promises non-fading ink. Check the prices and availability of ink rather than the price of the printer.

Investigate PhotoShop and a plug-in called Real Fractals that will allow you to enlarge digital photos without showing pixels.

15 posted on 11/27/2001 2:18:04 PM PST by js1138
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I am not familiar with this model, but I found that the display screen is what really eats into your battery life. I forbid my wife from using it to take pictures and cut the power consumption down tremendously.
16 posted on 11/27/2001 2:18:08 PM PST by oc-flyfish
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To: ArrogantBustard
LACC.com has the Canon S800 for $250.00, according to MySimon. Dang - that does look like a good one. Thanks :) My old HP needs replacing!
17 posted on 11/27/2001 2:18:11 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: oc-flyfish
I found that the display screen is what really eats into your battery life.

Yep, that's my ONLY complaint about my Sony camera - it doesn't HAVE a regular viewfinder. You have to use the display screen, and it eats batteries FAST. The batteries for that cam are $50 each, but they're rechargeable. I have two - I need at least a couple more. Sigh...

18 posted on 11/27/2001 2:21:55 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
That's one thing I like about Olympus: They use standard AA batteries. I recharge about once a month on average.
19 posted on 11/27/2001 2:29:13 PM PST by oc-flyfish
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To: LoanPalm
If I were getting a camera today there is no question I would get the Sony with Carl Zeiss lense.
20 posted on 11/27/2001 2:30:00 PM PST by artios
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To: LoanPalm
The higher end Epsons and the Hewlett Packards are both exceptional. I used the Epsons for years. I recently purchased an HP Deskjet 1220c and am very impressed.

I opted for the larger format printer. Mine prints on 13x19" stock. I have been using the Epson heavy duty 13x19" glossy stock. The prints are amazing.

I had wanted to buy one of Epson's oversided printers. One is a 17x22" and the other is a 13x44". One of them is severely flawed. DO NOT BUY THAT PRINTER! If you're going to go Epson, make sure you purchase the right one of these two. One has major problems. Go go www.c-net.com to read disasterous reviews of it's performance. It sounds almost actionable on a mass class action scale. Review other printers there as well.

My brother actually purchased the oversized Epson printer that doesn't have problems, and is very happy with it.

The costs on the oversized HP or Epson printers will run you from around $350 to $450 in price. And if you don't desire the oversized stock, you can probably find an HP or Epson for anywhere from $150 to $350 that will more than meet your needs.

The more recent ink jets cartriges that offer four or six inks will provide you with superior print quality. Look for 1200 to 1400 pixels. These are far superior to the old 720 pixels. HP has fewer Pixils, but seems to make up for it somehow. It does rival the Epson in my opinion. And it prints much faster than my old Epson.

You can learn a lot by checking the specs and cross referencing. I would advise you not to take the word of some guy that works on the floor of Frys or any of the large electronic warehouses. They may or may know know what they are talking about, or may or may not actually give you the straight scoop depending on which items they wish to move and their salary insentives. I know this from the experiences I ran into purchasing the HP.

Good luck.

21 posted on 11/27/2001 2:30:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: LoanPalm
Before you spend a lot of money to generate paper records of what your eye has witnessed. Paper copies that will degenerate rapidly, and take up half your bookshelf in bulky and hard to use albums.Cost a ton in colored ink and photo paper, considering you will probably make 500 pictures the first year.

Consider making digital photoalbums on Cd's that will play on your DVD player [Apex 500w, $88 at Walmart], and display for all in the room to see [not just those who can look over your shoulder] on your wide screen HDTV [which you will no doubt purchase in about 3-5 years].

With Roxio Cd Creator 5.0 [$69], you can go directly from your camera to your Video CD. Or you can stop in the software and fix problems with lighting, focus, size and color, while adding your favorite and appropriate music to your slideshow.

10,000 of your favorite shots will be stored on about $30 dollars worth of CD's, and take up less space than four photo albums.Quality of the photos will never deteriorate.

Think about it!

This past weekend I made a slideshow of my niece's wedding, it included 226 [not counting opening frame, or closing frame, included] pictures, the slideshow ran for 12 minutes, and included three songs, that matched the subject matter.


22 posted on 11/27/2001 2:30:54 PM PST by porgygirl
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To: LoanPalm
Paint Shop Pro v. 7 can't be beat for the value as an image processer. It's around $90 - $100 at CompUSA, BestBuy or over the internet. Triple your memory now - it's really cheap and worth every penny.
23 posted on 11/27/2001 2:35:11 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: sailrabbit
So I could use my other EOS lenses with this baby? (meaning the ones I bought for my non digital camera)
24 posted on 11/27/2001 2:37:33 PM PST by mercy
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To: LoanPalm
The Epson printer I was going to warn you about was the Epson Stylus 1520. Ouch! Don't touch that sucker.

Whatever else you decide on your own is okay. The reviews were running about 4 to 1 negative with people stating that Epson could offer no help and refused to admit a problem.

Good luck.

25 posted on 11/27/2001 2:42:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: LoanPalm
I have an Olympus E-10 and I'm thrilled with it. It accepts both compact flash and smart media memory, rechargeable AA batteries work perfectly in it and the AC adapter makes it extra efficient for indoor work. The automatic settings are usually just perfect, and it's supereasy to change from auto focus to manual focus.
26 posted on 11/27/2001 2:43:42 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
That paint shop pro ver(7) is available on the net for $99 bucks. It's an anniversary addition with a bunch of extras. You can download it online and use it for thirty days as a test. I purchased mine a few weeks ago.
27 posted on 11/27/2001 2:44:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: LoanPalm
I'll say a good word for the Casio QV-3000EX. 3.3 Mpix with a 340 Meg IBM MicroDrive so that you have room for 245 max res jpeg pictures. (It's also possible, though undocumented, to take tiffs.) There are probably too many bells and whistles, but you do get full manual control when you want it. The camera is quite good in low light situations. I only wish the manual focusing had been better thought out.

Photoshop (speaking of bells and whistles) is sort of a must if you are serious.

Neither is cheap.

ML/NJ

28 posted on 11/27/2001 2:47:59 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: mercy
"So I could use my other EOS lenses with this baby? (meaning the ones I bought for my non digital camera)"

Yes! The focal length gets multiplied 1.3x though.

29 posted on 11/27/2001 3:05:50 PM PST by sailrabbit
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To: LoanPalm
bump for good information
30 posted on 11/27/2001 3:12:34 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: DoughtyOne
The Epson printer I was going to warn you about was the Epson Stylus 1520.

Thanks, I was going to ask you about that. I will be sure not to touch that one with a 10 foot pole or a nine foot Swede.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

31 posted on 11/27/2001 3:13:39 PM PST by LonePalm
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To: ml/nj
I'll say a good word for the Casio QV-3000EX. 3.3 Mpix with a 340 Meg IBM MicroDrive so that you have room for 245 max res jpeg pictures.

Do you know where I can get one of these down here at the Shore?

I'm not the photobug but Mrs. Palm is. PhotoShop 7.whatever sounds like a definite for Santa.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

32 posted on 11/27/2001 3:19:59 PM PST by LonePalm
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To: sailrabbit
tanks
33 posted on 11/27/2001 3:30:22 PM PST by mercy
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To: oc-flyfish
You're right about the screen eating into the battery life.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

34 posted on 11/27/2001 3:30:32 PM PST by LonePalm
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To: DoughtyOne
I would advise you not to take the word of some guy that works on the floor of Frys or any of the large electronic warehouses. They may or may know know what they are talking about, or may or may not actually give you the straight scoop depending on which items they wish to move and their salary insentives. I know this from the experiences I ran into purchasing the HP.

Question: What is the difference between a car salesman and a computer salesman?

Answer: The car salesman knows when he is lying.

I completely agree with you. The sales peoploe are known for making stupid/outrageous statements. One guy at Best Buy told an employee of ours that she shouldn't buy one brand of computer because they are too fast and may melt.

35 posted on 11/27/2001 3:34:55 PM PST by oc-flyfish
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To: LoanPalm
PhotoShop 6 by Adobe is out now - it is more than $600. They also make a new program called Elements, which is around $100; I haven't tried it yet, so can't say how good it is. The reviews have been kind.

I use and recommend Paint Shop Pro 7 by Jasc - it is $99.

36 posted on 11/27/2001 3:47:53 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: oc-flyfish; DoughtyOne
Question: What is the difference between a car salesman and a computer salesman?

Answer: The car salesman knows when he is lying.

That is why I am asking Freepers.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

37 posted on 11/27/2001 4:14:26 PM PST by LonePalm
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To: oc-flyfish
Melt? Bwa ha ha ha. Good one.
38 posted on 11/27/2001 4:30:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ValerieUSA
Oops. Thanks for that correction.
39 posted on 11/27/2001 4:33:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: greccogirl
I have the Fuji 1300 too, and I love it. Here is a sample of the amazing photos this can take. (They won't let you link it, but here is the address). http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1364308&a=10170967&p=34158870
I also use an HP photosmart printer, and the only problem I've had with it are the drivers--they've corrupted a few times, and I have to occasionally re-install the software. No problems with the printing quality at all, though
40 posted on 11/27/2001 4:36:01 PM PST by I Luv Bush
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To: LoanPalm
Sony Mavica series are a good bet.
HP Photosmart photo printers generate very nice quality prints.
But use HP paper.
41 posted on 11/27/2001 4:37:29 PM PST by magglepuss
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To: LoanPalm
I'll say a good word for the Casio QV-3000EX. 3.3 Mpix with a 340 Meg IBM MicroDrive so that you have room for 245 max res jpeg pictures.

Do you know where I can get one of these down here at the Shore?

I'm not the photobug but Mrs. Palm is. PhotoShop 7.whatever sounds like a definite for Santa.

I bought mine about a year and a half ago via the net. I bought the "Pro Pack" which included a few extras like the Ni-MH rechargables and charger for about $950. (The Ni-MH's are a must from what I have read. I have two sets, but have never had to switch out a freshly charged set during the day.) Obviously it will be less now. Be careful though. Some ads give a price that does not include the micro-drive. Also the micro-drives now come in a 1 gig capacity, which is obviously better but probably more expensive and I don't know for sure if the camera software handles it, but it should. (I definately would have liked to have had that 1 gig capacity when traveling abroad. Here in the US, I generally travel with a laptop and the 340 meg is perfectly adequate.)

Photoshop is up to 7 ?? (I'm using 6.0.)

ML/NJ

42 posted on 11/27/2001 4:40:20 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: LoanPalm

The HP color inkjet printer cp1700 is an excellent printer. I like the ability to print larger sizes and the print on any stock paper comes out great, especially using the photo paper, matte or glossy finish. As far as cameras, for price and performance any Sony camera with the Carl Zeiss lens is great. I used the now discontinued Sony DSC-70 cybershot in Hawaii and I think the pictures came out great. I did not use the highest resolution setting either. You can Click here to see a few samples of them. I would definitely invest in a 128 meg memory card (you can fit over a hundred and fifty shots at high resolutionon it!). The DSC-S75 appears to be the replacement for the 70 and lists at $699. You can compare all of the Sony models by clicking HERE. If you listened to my little FReeper radio show on Radio FreeRepublic [ MP3 17,188 Kb | RealMedia 8,208 Kb | Windows Media Player 7,352 Kb ], you may know that I very rarely use any professional graphics programs. Of course, if your wife already knows Photoshop, I guess you're stuck ;-) Thanks for letting me put my two cents in!

43 posted on 11/27/2001 4:45:17 PM PST by Registered
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To: LoanPalm
Try Solinas.com either last week or the week before he had a listing for Digital photo help
44 posted on 11/27/2001 4:50:52 PM PST by squirt
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To: LoanPalm
I have HP photo scanner S20 and printers 882(I think) they work like a hose and have never given me a lick of trouble. The scanner is fast and accurate. Comes with some MS software but not great if you like to really edit. But for archiving and such can't beat it. Runs on a P3 600 with 259 and 2- 30 gig drives. Save on CDR.
45 posted on 11/27/2001 4:51:02 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: DoughtyOne
This image from an Olympus E-10 which has been manipulated (cropped/enhanced) in Paint Shop Pro 7:


46 posted on 11/27/2001 4:55:26 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: LoanPalm
Look in digital photography magazines for the best price on an Olympus E-10 - they were $1900, but have come down a lot this year - especially when mail-ordered.
47 posted on 11/27/2001 4:58:28 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: LoanPalm
As far as your computer goes, just bump the memory up to 512 MB or even 1024 if your motherboard will accept it. Photoshop is the hands-down king of image editing software, but is pricey at $500ish for version 6. If you don't want to shell out that much, its little brother Photoshop Elements is a heck of a program for $100.

For a camera, there are tons to choose from. Go with 3-megapixel or higher, which will enable you to crank out quality prints at 8" x 10" or larger if your printer can handle it. Again, there are lots to choose from.

I'm not up on the latest and greatest scanners.

MM

48 posted on 11/27/2001 4:59:44 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: ml/nj
Photoshop is still 6 -- paint shop pro is 7.


49 posted on 11/27/2001 5:03:57 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Beautiful.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

50 posted on 11/27/2001 6:05:55 PM PST by LonePalm
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