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Phyllis Schlafly: Are Mexican Immigrants Assimilating Or Invading?
Too Good Reports ^ | December 2, 2001 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 11/30/2001 7:47:46 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

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To: FITZ
They like to say their schools in Mexico are superior but the Mexican hispanics have a 38% drop out rate even with classes given in Spanish and on the border, you see them coming over every day with carloads of kids who attend US schools which they obviously wouldn't do if they had better schools. Mexico wouldn't be in the shape it's in if it had good schools.

I see. And they still come over here and drop out anyway.

'magine that.

252 posted on 11/30/2001 10:54:42 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: mvscal
As one "hispanic" to another, I have been reading your posts with amusement and you seem to somewhat detached of the reality. I live in a heavily hispanic area in NY and speak quite often to people here, many which are "illegals". The reality is that the vast majority do not see themselves as immigrants who are stuck here permanently. There is also another group (many born here) which insists on mantaining a separate existence in both language and culture and have no intention of assimilating into what they derogatorily refer to as the Anglo culture. As a matter of course many of them hold radical left wing ideas and think Fidel Castro is the greatest thing since the wheel.

I have gotten into arguments many a time over this attitude. To cite just one case where Domincans on my block flew their flag during Dominican holidays and yet refuse to fly the Stars and Stripes on July 4. In another case I overheard a conversation among some Mexicans in a bodega deriding this country and government. These occurences I run into almost every day, even after 911. These people are here to establish "Colonias", they are willing to take our money and live here, but if they had their way they would set up separate nations and states. Because I speak Spanish, these people will tell me things they would never tell an "anglo".

I have seen the same phenomenon and attitude among Middle Easterners.

As I have stated previously on another thread as well as this one. Most immigrants today have no intention of assimilating or integrating into the general society or of becoming Americans. Indeed many of these people have particularly anti-american attitudes. As far as they are concerned if things don't go well they are just one cheap airplane ticket back home. They have the easy option of returning back home. The immigrants of a century ago had no such options. Theirs was a one way trip ticket and they knew by coming here there was no turning back. They came here to stay and to become Americans. That in the end is the significant difference.

They also did not have a political establishment that pandered to them by establishing a separate language educational system to perpetuate the separatness. The Balkanization of this country is the direct consequence of the "multiculturalist" policies promoted by the Democrats in search of a voter base and the corporate Republicans in search of cheap labor and profits.

That is the reality we face.

Being an immigrant I am not naturaly oppsed to immigration. However, I am opposed to immigration if the only purpose of the immigrants is to come here and colonize this country without having any intention of assimilatiing and becoming Americans both culutraly and linguistically. If they come here just to suck on the big US tit without contributing to the country then it's not worth having them here.

253 posted on 11/30/2001 11:00:19 PM PST by Cacique
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To: NYCVirago
Mvscal is a college graduate and a Gulf War veteran,

So he says, and with enough "affirmative action bonus points" added to his SATs for being a member of a "preferred minority" to get into a state school, it just might be true.

254 posted on 11/30/2001 11:02:09 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Cacique
Thank you so much, Cacique, both for your thoughtful post and for being a loyal American. I'm glad you're here.
257 posted on 11/30/2001 11:13:30 PM PST by Calico Cat
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To: Joseph Warren
Yes, clearly we need to do away with those problematic SAT tests and just "assign" minorities to colleges based on their "life experience".
258 posted on 11/30/2001 11:16:39 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: PRND21
Indeed, my rhetorical questions have been answered. That's why there are rhetorical.
259 posted on 11/30/2001 11:20:08 PM PST by madrussian
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To: Cacique
Thanks for hold the fort and telling like it is....

The immigrant who on the day of citizenship proudly calls himself an "American" WITH the "intention of assimilating and becoming American both culturally and linguistically" is all we can ask. THAT is the legacy of an "American."

260 posted on 11/30/2001 11:21:10 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: mvscal
Aren't you English?

You call your grandparents "wetbacks" and Americans "Anglos"? You are one confused individual.

261 posted on 11/30/2001 11:21:51 PM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
Sure doesn't read that way...nice try.
Read the whole thread, please.
262 posted on 11/30/2001 11:26:24 PM PST by PRND21
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To: NYCVirago
"Mvscal...because of his race is just a gangbanger to you."

Whoa, whoa -- catch any of mvscal's posts?? You're dead wrong...Don't so quick to assume what anybody's thinking.

263 posted on 11/30/2001 11:26:42 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Whoa, whoa -- catch any of mvscal's posts?? You're dead wrong...Don't so quick to assume what anybody's thinking.

I'm sorry, but I gotta disagree. If Pelham had told mvscal to "go pound sand" or "take a long walk off a short pier", that would have been one thing. But the graffiti reference was over the top -- it was like telling a black person to go eat some watermelons and fried chicken.

264 posted on 11/30/2001 11:38:27 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
That jerk you are so busy defending has every insult coming to him and more.

The first day I ever read his screen name, he was calling me a liar, a fake SEAL wannabee and said that I "masturbated to Richard Marchinko [sic] books". At the beginning of this thread he called a freeper "an ignorant and frightened racist" for daring to oppose open borders. At #33 on this thread he said "f*** off you slob" to another freeper.

What amazes me is that the Admin Moderators just clean up his turds, instead of banning him outright for the filth spewing little creep that he is.

265 posted on 11/30/2001 11:45:17 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: NYCVirago
Boys will sometimes be boys, but the "graffiti" crack was child's play compared to what was spewed by mvscal in the earlier posts.

I'll assume you haven't perused or been privey to all the hateful personal attacking that mvscal was so proudly authored, including posts with foul language that had to be deleted by a Moderator.

And BTW, telling a black person to "go eat some fried chicken or watermelon" is so "over the top" in your opinion enough to provoke what kind of relaliatory action?

266 posted on 11/30/2001 11:56:17 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter; Travis McGee
If you don't like mvscal's comments, fine. Needless to say, you're entitled to think he's a moron and jerk -- I admittedly missed the deleted comments, so I didn't have the full picture, but that still doesn't justify what I thought was an over-the-top racial insult. Your mileage may vary.

As for what type of retaliatory action is warranted, I don't know what is being suggested here. My retaliatory action consisted of this -- I simply told Pelham what I thought of his comment. You are entitled to tell me that you disagree with my comment, as you have done.

267 posted on 12/01/2001 12:10:59 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
(eyeball roll)
268 posted on 12/01/2001 12:21:39 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: mvscal
Damn! That's a pretty grim future. What historical precedent leads you to that conclusion?

Current trends... the rise in immigration (we've added over 100 million to our population is the last 50 years) will swamp us and multiculturism will lead to balkanization (if you teach an african, an arab, chinese, etc. that his culture is equal to or better than ours, why should he assimilate?).

Small number of rich elite running a totalitarian welfare state?... heck, thats what we've got now. You've got to be rich or politically connected to have much chance of winning all but the most local of political offices and the system is so rotten that the few honest people who get in are corrupted. Gov't growth is leaving the realm of geometric growth and is becoming exponential. History teaches that when you concentrate that much power in gov't hands, you pay the price.

On the bright side, a person interested in history (as I am) should be very entertained by observing how the first empire of the nuclear age falls into ruin. Rosy future or grim one, we're in for some interesting times.

269 posted on 12/01/2001 1:59:06 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: PatrioticAmerican
It is easy to enslave them as they are usually uneducated and unskilled

It's not that its easy to enslave them, it's the fact that self-ownership (liberty) is an alien concept to them. In the socialist hell-holes they come from, life is a brutal existence in which you struggle every day to eat, provide shelter, and breed. When they come here, all those things are provided for at our expense.

I feel sorry for them, but we don't have the wide open spaces or the wealth to take in the 'huddled masses' anymore. It's time for those people to start reforming their native countries and stop destroying ours.

270 posted on 12/01/2001 2:16:52 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: Pelham
Sounds about right to me. California is leading the way. And it makes us sooo proud

Californians will be able to blame mass immigration for a lot of your problems, but remember, red davis, rob reiner, boxer, feinstein, etc, etc ain't foreign names. As a smoker and a gunowner, I feel your pain!

271 posted on 12/01/2001 2:23:53 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: FreeLibertarian
Try using some of your arrogant views on people who've seen relatives raped, murdered, and robbed by these new arrivals. Each of them were "terrorized" by some illegal that's now in jail at our expense. We have enough home grown crimnals that we do not need to import any more much the diseases and constant need for services that require American tax $. You can insinuate that I may be mentally deprived all you want, but I'll stand up for my country and my children instead being a limp wristed, gutless apologist for these invaders.
272 posted on 12/01/2001 7:17:15 AM PST by american spirit
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To: mvscal
The question we should ask our Mexican immigrant friends is, are you assimilating or invading?

Unfortunately, this question has already been answered by the US Government. Our elected ones may be fighting terrorism abroad, but they are welcoming an invasion of illegals here at home.

273 posted on 12/01/2001 7:38:53 AM PST by swampfox98
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To: Pelham
You got it brother. Thank God I live in Ventura, which is the next city over from Oxnard. But I am selling out and moving to Lake Havasu, Ariz. They have destroyed the most beautiful state in America.TRAGIC!!
274 posted on 12/01/2001 8:05:06 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: Danielle
Good post #210, Danielle. The one poster who cries "racist" on this thread ignores the real problems that illegals bring to our towns and states. He seems to think that calling us racists will erase the truth and cause us to shrink back into political "correctness". He's wrong.

Our politicians are leaving us to clean up the mess and pay the bills for these invaders, and I for one am sick and tired of it, and write the President and my "elected officials" here in California about it all the time. Unfortunately, our President disagrees with us.

275 posted on 12/01/2001 8:07:55 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: Nea Wood
Dear Nea,
It is too late....California has been destroyed by political indifference and corruption.I fear before it is over, many other states will be ruined as well.
276 posted on 12/01/2001 8:09:46 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: kstewskis
Too late my friend. They have taken over entire CITIES and soon COUNTIES!! THEY OWN IT NOW...THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO TAKE BACK.
277 posted on 12/01/2001 8:13:36 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: Maalaea
Didn't realize that CM and Huntington Beach had "fallen" also. I spent a lot of time on the beach at Huntington in my youth, fond memories. It makes me so sad to drive through all these towns and see nothing resembling America anymore.
278 posted on 12/01/2001 8:25:20 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: Joseph Warren
"Have you noticed the similarities of the techniques by which large numbers of muslims in America, and hispanics in America criticize our culture profusely, but temper their diatribes with ever-so-slight praise of America?"

The ideals that were america have been undercut and fragmented to the point that Marx himself could get away with praising america today. Immigration is just one of the symptoms, but it is important in that numbers are what our 'democracy' needs to finally assume full control.
279 posted on 12/01/2001 8:27:21 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: Mercuria
Invading!!!
280 posted on 12/01/2001 8:29:13 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: american spirit
Try using some of your arrogant views on people who've seen relatives raped, murdered, and robbed by these new arrivals. Each of them were "terrorized" by some illegal that's now in jail at our expense. We have enough home grown crimnals that we do not need to import any more much the diseases and constant need for services that require American tax $. You can insinuate that I may be mentally deprived all you want, but I'll stand up for my country and my children instead being a limp wristed, gutless apologist for these invaders.

I was correct, you're just a racist trying to frighten the children with boogie man stories. You forgot to use the part about them dragging naughty children into the woods at night.

Your screen name is very misleading, there is nothing American about your spirit, just fear of those different than you and hate to try to disguise your own fears. You should change your screen name, your disguise as an American didn't work.

281 posted on 12/01/2001 8:34:29 AM PST by FreeLibertarian
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
I agree with you on this thread. It is not the race or the numbers. The only thing that is stopping this country from becoming a full blown socialist country is knowledge of the our founding principles. As long as they are known, then people can not make that step. Internally, we are destroying them in our educational system and in our political compromises of them. Externally, unrestricted immigration is over-running them.
282 posted on 12/01/2001 8:39:34 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: gjenkins
Internally, we are destroying them in our educational system and in our political compromises of them. Externally, unrestricted immigration is over-running them

You and I are in agreement with a clear majority of the citizens of our nation concerning the immigration issue. Our rulers don't do a thing about it because, as I said in a previous post, the wealthy benefit from mass immigration and that's who our 'leaders' answer to.

283 posted on 12/01/2001 9:07:31 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
Yep. Subsidize all the important stuff and profit off of the mass-marketed consumer stuff.
284 posted on 12/01/2001 9:10:34 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: Pelham
Please don't challenge our President's judgment in time of war.
285 posted on 12/01/2001 9:15:42 AM PST by christianswindler
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To: 1 FELLOW FREEPER
After 285 plus posts, it all comes down to two words. Legal and Illegal.
286 posted on 12/01/2001 10:04:23 AM PST by Wagonmaster
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To: Wagonmaster
"Legal and illegal."

Bingo. Short and sweet. ;-)

287 posted on 12/01/2001 11:22:45 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Cacique
Cacique, thanks much for your insights on this. It is indeed a very scary picture.
288 posted on 12/01/2001 11:28:39 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Cacique
"Most immigrants today have no intention of assimilating or integrating into the general society or of becoming Americans.

You really hit the nail on the head with that statement and your eloquent post

My grandparents immigrated legally from Italy 80+ years ago. My husband's grandparents immigrated nearly 100 years ago from Germany. There was no public assistance, no one to insist that Americans become bi-lingual so they could communicate with my and his grandparents and their ilk. It was sink or swim, or go back home.

My grandparents were proud to be Americans. They learned to read, write and speak English. They became citizens, pledging to uphold American values and traditions. My grandfather built up his own business and passed on his good work ethic to his children and grandchildren.

The situation we face today with alot of immigrants and "illegals" is quite different. They come here to get what they can and nothing else. They care not for becoming Americans and insist that we either learn to speak their language or endure being talked about in a language we don't comprehend. Due to the PC police we allow it to continue to happen or else we are branded as bigots.

Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.....

290 posted on 12/01/2001 11:49:20 AM PST by dansangel
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To: FreeLibertarian
american spirit is right on target bozo. We also have had a good friend that had been raped, and murdered by two criminal illegal aliens, and another friend who happens to be a Police Officer who was shot and wounded by a criminal illegal alien, and you dare to call american spirt a racist. You asshole.

You are nothing but another America hater. I am sick of you freaks and criminal supporters that continue to support and minimize this invasion of millions and millions of criminals. You must be a GD criminal yourself.

Be advised, there are many here that no longer are afraid to speak the truth, no matter how GD nasty the truth is. Spit* ..-. ..- .- -. -.. -.. . .. I've f-ing hadenuf

291 posted on 12/01/2001 12:16:40 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
BTTT. I wish I could add something to this thread but you, Travis, and many others have pounded home the reality and risks we face as a nation with the unprecedented level of illegal immigration going on quite convincingly.
292 posted on 12/01/2001 1:06:42 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Joe Hadenuf
AMEN BROTHER!!
293 posted on 12/01/2001 1:26:36 PM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: WRhine
I must say, that I have nothing but contempt and anger for those that claim to be Americans yet support or attempt to minimize this massive invasion of millions. These criminals have no respect for our laws, traditions, or our nationial sovereignty.

We need more Americans like you and others on this forum to speak out everywhere.

I declare that all criminal illegal aliens are racist and America haters, as they break our laws and piss on our sovereignty while reaping the benefits of this honorable, free country. The illegal aliens are the GD criminals, not those that speak out against these criminals.

These socialist, communist are attempting to turn the tables on this entire invasion and attempt to make the innocent appear guilty. BS. I will not remain quite. No way, never.

294 posted on 12/01/2001 1:32:38 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Me either. I am proud of my whiteness and the anglo culture. Now if I say this, the P C Police deem me a racist. But if a Mexican illegal says this, and plants a Mexican flag in his front yard ...this is good!!!It is "cultural diversity"....once again.....CRAP!!!!!!!
295 posted on 12/01/2001 1:46:42 PM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: flamefront
The guy has been warned several times and several of his posts pulled. He is on notice that his next step over the line will be his last on Free Republic. Let me know if his abuse continues and his account will be pulled. Thanks, Jim
297 posted on 12/01/2001 4:55:34 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: 1 FELLOW FREEPER
I agree, all this cultural diversity garbage is just more lies being perpetrated by the extreme leftist socialist.

And it has nothing to do with our immigration "free for all" and the millions of criminals that are invading our nation and defecating on our national sovereignty.

298 posted on 12/01/2001 4:59:11 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Travis McGee
Re: #180 Tustin is between Santa Ana and the more expensive Red Hill area of Southern California in Orange County....which used to be very conservative. El Toro Marine Corps airbase was not far from Tustin.

There's an area nearby in Fullerton (was ultra-conservative, former congressman Bob Dornan's district till Loretta Sanchez beat him), Sunny Hills, that suddenly filled up with Korean immigrants before the election.

And my friends and I are wondering, where do they get the money to buy these high-priced homes? Uncle Sam?

299 posted on 12/01/2001 7:13:13 PM PST by lakey
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To: Joe Hadenuf
american spirit is right on target bozo. We also have had a good friend that had been raped, and murdered by two criminal illegal aliens, and another friend who happens to be a Police Officer who was shot and wounded by a criminal illegal alien, and you dare to call american spirt a racist. You asshole.

You seek to justify your fear & hatred of all illegal aliens by blaming the actions of a few on the group as a whole. If you got your idiotic wish, which you won't, and deported the whole group, people would still be raped and killed. I just called un-american spirit what he is.

You are nothing but another America hater. I am sick of you freaks and criminal supporters that continue to support and minimize this invasion of millions and millions of criminals. You must be a GD criminal yourself.

It is you who is an America hater. You proof it with your hatred of the very diversity of immigration that has created this great country. In every generation there are a always a few mentally deficient individuals who think that just because their ancestors were brave and intelligent enough to immigrate and they were lucky enough to be born here that they have the god given right to keep out all of the new immigrants. You certainly are one of those idiots.

Be advised, there are many here that no longer are afraid to speak the truth, no matter how GD nasty the truth is. Spit* ..-. ..- .- -. -.. -.. . .. I've f-ing hadenuf

You probably never will understand the truth no matter how hard you may try. But please keep expressing yourself frequently, as the village idiot you will always be good for a laugh. That’s the nasty truth.

300 posted on 12/01/2001 8:16:33 PM PST by FreeLibertarian
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