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County Executive orders "religion-neutral" Christmas (and blames 9/11 Attack)
King County Executive ^ | 11/30/01 | Ron Sims, King County Executive

Posted on 11/30/2001 8:42:29 AM PST by ppaul

TO: KC Global Announcement to All King County Employees

FM: Ron Sims, King County Executive

RE: Holiday Celebrations

With the post September 11 tragedy climate and the religious holidays starting, we at King County want to ensure that any upcoming holiday celebration at the workplace is held in a respectful, inclusive, and sensitive manner that does not favor one religion over another. Particularly in public areas, this means that any holiday recognition or celebration should be religion-neutral.

Examples of religion-neutral practices include: naming the celebration(s) "Holiday Celebration" or "Winter Celebration;"

using general greetings such as "Happy Holidays" or "Holiday Greetings;"

using decorations that are commonplace - poinsettias, evergreen boughs, lights - but not using religious symbols nor practices; and

obtaining the concurrence of all affected employees prior to holding a holiday social and/or food gathering. Care should be taken that employees who do not concur with holding a gathering are protected from retaliation.

Cultural information sharing about various religious holidays in the name of diversity is allowable when it is done in the context of employee education and is inclusive of various religious celebrations such as Ramadan, Hanukkah, Christmas, etc.

I encourage you to contact Maria Batayola, at (206) 263-7380, should you have any questions and/or comments.

cc: Robert S. Derrick, Director, Office of Human Resources Management (OHRM)

Maria Batayola, Manager, Diversity Management Division, OHRM

King County Executive, RON SIMS

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Political Correctness run amuck.

Here's the link to his website: King County Executive, RON SIMS

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1 posted on 11/30/2001 8:42:29 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
As time goes by, I fear it will only get worse. Christians are under a full assault, and the government and judiciary are doing all they can to help.
2 posted on 11/30/2001 8:46:17 AM PST by SoDak
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To: ppaul
This has to be a joke.
3 posted on 11/30/2001 8:47:33 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: sirgawain
Is this the Seattle, Washington county ?
4 posted on 11/30/2001 8:48:52 AM PST by George from New England
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To: ppaul
Particularly in public areas, this means that any holiday recognition or celebration should be religion-neutral.

By public I assume they mean publicly (i.e govt) owned property. Otherwise it is a 1st Amendment violation.

5 posted on 11/30/2001 8:49:26 AM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: ppaul
why is our culture being destroyed...
6 posted on 11/30/2001 8:49:30 AM PST by Bill Davis FR
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To: ppaul
You aren't exposing yourself as an employee, are you? Though I certainly appreciate the information, some organizations don't take kindly to having their memos blasted all over the internet.
7 posted on 11/30/2001 8:49:43 AM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: ppaul
Human resource type idiots are as big a drag on our economy as lawyers.

They just sit around all day, trying to figure out new ways to insinuate themselves on people who are trying to work for a living.

To top it off, they set their own salary.

8 posted on 11/30/2001 8:50:30 AM PST by dead
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To: ppaul
Yep, and you can bet there will be more and more anti-Christian bigotry in the future. If I lived there, I would be sure that all Christians who felt the same way as I did would decorate their homes exactly the way they always did and even moreso! What a bunch of crap.
10 posted on 11/30/2001 8:50:57 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: ppaul
Everyone I talk with gets a MERRY CHRISTMAS. If I offend them TS!
11 posted on 11/30/2001 8:51:28 AM PST by Digger
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To: ppaul
Diversity Management Division

Here's the problem - people can make a career out of diversity. I bet there is a college degree in diversity somewhere....

12 posted on 11/30/2001 8:52:50 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: ppaul
Someone PLLEEEase explain to me how you can have a religion-neutral religious holiday?
13 posted on 11/30/2001 8:52:51 AM PST by ladtx
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To: ppaul
I'll bet it's ok to say Happy Kwanzaa...
14 posted on 11/30/2001 8:53:39 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: SoDak
Bit by bit and piece by piece they whittle away.

Was'nt it Lenin who said something to the effect of "remove freedom in small increments and by the time the people realize its gone there's nothing they can do about it"?

15 posted on 11/30/2001 8:54:02 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ppaul
I note with disapproval that the holiday of "Ramadan" is mentioned before that of "Christmas". If I knew anybody who works in the offices, I would highly encourage them to stand up for their Constitutional right to express the appropriate greetings to each other. Centuries from now, Europe and the US might be Islamic dictatorships because of the weakness of the political "leaders" of today and the near future, but for now I defy anybody to say that it is "inappropriate" to express one's joy and celebration at the glorious

Holyday of the Nativity of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (which is how we name it in the Orthodox Church).

18 posted on 11/30/2001 8:57:23 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: ppaul
So, according to Seattle, Osama and the Al Qaeda fanatics won the battle with the 9-11 attacks by forcing us to give up our Christmas celebration? Only liberal idiots like this could turn victory in Afghanistan into defeat at home.
21 posted on 11/30/2001 8:58:35 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Dumb_Ox
True...but these A-holes in King County truly deserve to be BLASTED ALL OVER THE INTERNET.
22 posted on 11/30/2001 8:59:38 AM PST by ohioman
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To: ppaul
uh...religion free? Seems that "Christmas" is a holiday specifically celebrating the birth of Christ. A Christmas without Christ or the Christian "religion" is just a "winter break". And why would that be necessary? And why would we give "winter break" gifts?

It is time to fight back in a big way. Several years ago, I sent my assistant out to purchase Christmas cards for my business. She came back with several samples, none of which mentioned the word Christmas. It was all "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings". I told her I wanted cards with Christmas specifically mentioned as the focus. She said "oh no, you can't do that. It might offend someone." I told her "if it offends someone I'm Happy! Now go get some Christmas cards."

If someone tells you they don't believe we should celebrate Christ at Christmas, tell them to just skip the holiday because that's what its all about!

23 posted on 11/30/2001 9:00:56 AM PST by Lowcountry
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To: Sabertooth; rockfish59; Libertina; Chad Fairbanks; j_tull; Skywalk; lelio; znix...
Volley Flag!
24 posted on 11/30/2001 9:01:07 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Who does this @$$ think he is? Get a load of his website - the product of an overblown ego. And as the "executive" of a county, he thinks he can wipe out religion in the name of diversity? woof. This fellow has earned a phone call or two.
25 posted on 11/30/2001 9:03:39 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: ppaul
Well, my idea, is that any King County-sponsored "religious-neutral" event should be freeped, and hard... a good way, would be for as many of us as possible to show up dressed as either A. Jesus, or B. Santa Claus...

Just because the event is "neutral" doesn't mean the attendees have to be

26 posted on 11/30/2001 9:05:20 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Ol' Sox
Who does this @$$ think he is? Get a load of his website - the product of an overblown ego......This fellow has earned a phone call or two.

You nailed it bro'! And, he'll hopefullly get more than just one or two calls.

27 posted on 11/30/2001 9:05:55 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Cultural information sharing about various religious holidays in the name of diversity is allowable when it is done in the context of employee education and is inclusive of various religious celebrations such as Ramadan, Hanukkah, Christmas, etc.

No nativity scenes, really?

Or does this silliness provoke mixed scenes -- the imagination goes wild -- Barbary pirates attacking Joseph and Mary, etc.

28 posted on 11/30/2001 9:08:40 AM PST by flamefront
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To: ppaul
LOL.

This stuff'd make great comedy if it weren't serious. And me being an agnostic doesn't make this any less hilarious.

29 posted on 11/30/2001 9:10:37 AM PST by Skywalk
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To: ppaul
I hope everybody here emails this idiot!
30 posted on 11/30/2001 9:12:04 AM PST by babylonian
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To: ppaul
Someone suggested we all SEND Mr. Simms a RELIGIOUS Christmas card.....he's on MY list this year.
31 posted on 11/30/2001 9:12:06 AM PST by goodnesswins
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To: anniegetyourgun; rockfish59; Libertina; Chad Fairbanks; j_tull; Skywalk; lelio; znix...
ATTENTION: Washington FReepers!

Forward this to your ping lists. The King County "Executive" has gone way over the line this time.
Let's ALL OUT FREEP this preening, windbag, Ron Sims - whose overblown ego knows no boundaries.

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32 posted on 11/30/2001 9:12:43 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Did you see the "Green" crap on this website? This guy makes a living promoting BS causes. Unreal, imagine his job description, how do you apply? Would such a position have existed in 1950?
33 posted on 11/30/2001 9:14:08 AM PST by Probus
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To: ppaul
how does one setup a ping list? :)
34 posted on 11/30/2001 9:16:24 AM PST by Skywalk
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To: Probus; All
I found this "Diversity" event on his website calendar:

New Work Ensemble presents an original, non-verbal ensemble piece: "Objects & Underwear". November 30 and December 1 - 8.

35 posted on 11/30/2001 9:17:09 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: ppaul
I'm not usually an advocate of such a thing...but this could make a pretty humorous chain email.
36 posted on 11/30/2001 9:19:17 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: stainlessbanner
Objects & Underwear

Just one of many examples. King County publises an annual book of "poetry" (at taxpayer expense), among other things.
How very nice. How culturally diverse. How sensitive, eh?

37 posted on 11/30/2001 9:21:23 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
"Particularly in public areas, this means that any holiday recognition or celebration should be religion-neutral."

Christmas celebrates Christ's birthday. That is the fundamental truth of the happening. To go along with this amounts to accepting and promoting pure Bravo Sierra. We know what the foxtrot these people are up to.

38 posted on 11/30/2001 9:21:25 AM PST by spunkets
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To: ppaul
I notice that in a lot of the PC world, it seems that "the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attack" (or, as they prefer to call it "incident"), the politically-correct response seems to be to embrace the views of those who attacked us, and to shy away from that which they attacked.

Seems kinda wimpy to me. We should be barbecuing more pigs about now, IMO.

39 posted on 11/30/2001 9:21:41 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: ppaul
Hmmm, cancelling Christmas so that the county can celebrate a politically correct Xmas and everything will be alright?!!! That is total nonsense, to say the least.

A CHRISTmas Celebration! (click here)

40 posted on 11/30/2001 9:23:22 AM PST by Cindy
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To: ppaul
As it is I am livid. If someone can wish me a happy Kwanza or Channuka, or Joyous Yuletide I thank them. It is their good wishes to me. Absolutely anyone who is offended by merry Christmas can "Kiss my Royal Irish Ass." In short I do not give a rat's a$$ if you do not celebrate Christmas I do and if you are offended by my celebration of it I suggest you either go pound some sand or try to express your greivance to me.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

41 posted on 11/30/2001 9:23:45 AM PST by harpseal
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To: ppaul
I don't understand! How come he has American Indian Heritage Month on his web-site? Doen't he understand that not everyone is Indian? That is not being diverse!
MCD
42 posted on 11/30/2001 9:24:10 AM PST by MSCASEY
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To: George from New England
yes, this is the liberal, lefty, Seattle "Tax to the Max" Ron Simms
43 posted on 11/30/2001 9:24:14 AM PST by Benny3740
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To: ppaul
Ron Simms licks poodles.
44 posted on 11/30/2001 9:26:44 AM PST by Neckbone
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To: ppaul
The text of my letter to Mr. Sims:

Mr. Sims,
I was unfortunate enough to see a copy of your "Holiday Celebrations" memo on the Internet and although I don't often write to public figures, I am making an exception in your case.

Let me quote from Websters:
Diversity n 1: The condition of being different or having differences. 2: An instance or point of being different.

By attempting to stifle our differences rather than including them all, you are misstating your case when you say that you "...want to ensure that any upcoming holiday celebration at the workplace is held in a respectful, inclusive, and sensitive manner that does not favor one religion over another."

In truth, what you have done is to insult us all - Jew, Christian, Muslim and African-American - by presupposing that we are "offended" by our differences. We are Americans and we come from a wide, rich variety of backgrounds. Attempting to deny this by painting over our differences is to deny the true nature of America. In your attempt to avoid victimizing the easily insulted, you victimize us all. You do a disservice to the concept of diversity.

If this is an example of your executive decision making skills, you, sir, do not deserve the honor of serving your community.

Sincerely,
Xxxxxx Xxxx (Ol' Sox)

45 posted on 11/30/2001 9:27:21 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: ppaul
Maybe Ron and Maria need lots and lots of e-mail wishing him a Happy Chanukah or a Merry Christmas with images attached like Jesus, Mary and Joseph surrounded by the children of the world (there's diversity for you) -- or maybe the Maccabees killing the enemies of the Jewish people or the Jewish faithful lighting a menorah. Has possibilities methinks
47 posted on 11/30/2001 9:27:28 AM PST by history_matters
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To: ppaul
"religion-neutral"??? That's Orwellien new-speak for anti-religion. We're on to these d@mn, rotten liberals.
48 posted on 11/30/2001 9:28:25 AM PST by VoodooEconomist
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To: ppaul
"religion-neutral" Is that anything like "non-partisan" (as defined by a leftist)?
49 posted on 11/30/2001 9:30:18 AM PST by VoodooEconomist
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To: Digger
Lets start a Merry Christmas campaign. I refuse to say happy holidays. If anyone sends a seasons greetings or happy holidays my way I will respond Merry Christams. Any other ideas. How about only Merry Christams gift wrapping and cards. Lets see how many others we can get to join us.
50 posted on 11/30/2001 9:30:35 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross
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