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Conn Spores[Vials from Tomas Foral's Refrigerator Test] Positive; Army(Ft.Dietrick)Plans More Tests
Connecticut Post ^ | December 1, 2001 | MICHAEL P. MAYKO

Posted on 12/01/2001 11:15:24 AM PST by t-shirt

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To: Fred25
"...during the past 20 years."

...and longer, not only with this, but all sorts of materials. Most folks don't have heinous intents with these sort of items.

41 posted on 12/01/2001 12:33:24 PM PST by spunkets
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To: t-shirt
Perhaps this way...


42 posted on 12/01/2001 12:35:48 PM PST by DKNY
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To: t-shirt
Or maybe even this...LOL, can't seem to post the link.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/557016/posts

43 posted on 12/01/2001 12:39:06 PM PST by DKNY
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To: t-shirt
Explain your point? ...That he could accidentally eat some of it???

LOL! Sometimes I find blue and green fuzzy stuff growing in my refrigerator.

The blue stuff tastes kinda good.

44 posted on 12/01/2001 12:42:31 PM PST by Fred25
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To: Fred25
It may be penicillin.
45 posted on 12/01/2001 12:46:11 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: DKNY
Try here:
Saddam Connection: West Nile Virus the First Bioweapon?

46 posted on 12/01/2001 12:48:31 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
LOL, this may be a little off topic, but I live in New Mexico, which has the lowest humidity of any state in the Union.

I have a couple of open shelves just to the left of my kitchen counter. Sometimes I place fruit and vegetables on one of the shelves, and then I forget about them for months.

During that time they dry out without rotting.

Here is a completely dried out orange from my shelf. This orange is about three years old.........

LINK TO DRY ORANGE

47 posted on 12/01/2001 12:57:11 PM PST by Fred25
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To: piasa
"Vials from Tomas Foral's Refrigerator "


some czechs became nazi's; they hated commies; is it possible that "demoRATS=commies"? Audio

48 posted on 12/01/2001 1:03:28 PM PST by hoot2
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I hope they nail him too - but right now I seriously want to know what the ideological makeup of this nutcase is.
49 posted on 12/01/2001 1:03:51 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: t-shirt
Now why couldn't I do that?... thanks
50 posted on 12/01/2001 1:14:12 PM PST by DKNY
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To: DKNY
>"What about the germs?" I say. He goes, "I don't believe in germs. Germs are just a plot they made up so they can sell you disinfectants and soap!"

In a book on fringe pop psychology ("Frogs into Princes : Neuro Linguistic Programming," by Richard Bandler, John Grinder) the author makes a point -- in passing! -- that studies of smallpox outbreaks in England showed that people had actually developed immunity to the disease before vaccination became common. I believe some fringe tin foil types extrapolate from this and other instances that vaccinations, rather than eradicating a disease, just kind of "ride on the shirt-tails" of the natural human ability to _evolve_ immunity to viruses and such.

Mark W.

51 posted on 12/01/2001 1:20:28 PM PST by MarkWar
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To: DKNY
I was too lazy to learn for years!
52 posted on 12/01/2001 1:22:57 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: Fred25
The blue stuff tastes kinda good.


Does every thread have to turn into a cheese thread?

53 posted on 12/01/2001 1:24:12 PM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: Gadsden1st
As a matter of fact, I like blue cheese.

FRED'S SMALL DRY PUMPKIN, 2 OR 3 YEARS OLD

54 posted on 12/01/2001 1:31:19 PM PST by Fred25
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To: t-shirt

This guy has a lot of names. When he's not Tomas Foral, or Thomas Foral, he's Tomas Jirku. Tomas Jirku may be his "real" (i.e. birth) name. (There is a Czech-Canadian musician by that name, not the same guy).

Watch for the name Lyudmila Gitelman to surface in this.


55 posted on 12/01/2001 1:32:03 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Fred25
What this shows is that hundreds of students and professors have had access to this anthrax stuff during the past 20 years.

Anthrax is a Biohazard Level 2 infectious agent. This reflects the fact that it is pretty hard to become accidentally infected, and that it is highly treatable with antibiotics.

I've read that it was commonly available in many biology laboratories as an experimental subject. Biohazards Levels range from 1 (least hazardous) to 4 (most hazardous). For lab requirments see CDC. It is not surprising in the least that old specimens would be lying about in freezers at universities with Vet Schools or Animal Science programs. The fact that most Universities have destroyed whatever specimens they could find after the recent attacks is probably driven by their liability lawyers and insurance companies, not that anthrax has suddenly become more dangerous.

56 posted on 12/01/2001 1:40:15 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: piasa; t-shirt
I wonder if the 'Thomas' Foral they have found is the 'Tomas' Foral hilighted in the acknowledgements for this article on the west Nile Virus in birds...

Tomas Foral also had West Nile Virus stored in his personal freezer, along with the vial containing anthrax-infected tissue, and another with Eastern equine encephalitis:

UConn Grad Student Kept Suspicious Vials (labelled 'anthrax')

Note: the "personal freezer" was apparently located in the basement of the same lab where the anthrax was originally stored at UConn, though this is not clear. It does not seem to be Mr. Foral's home freezer, anyway.

I doubt Mr. Foral has any connection with the recent anthrax deaths. This is more an indictment of lax security procedures regarding infectious diseases at university labs, IMO.

57 posted on 12/01/2001 1:45:00 PM PST by gumbo
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To: Nick Danger
"The bacteria was contained in a blood medium and had not been processed into a powder form."

Not sure I understand why anybody would accuse some grad student who stores anthrax contaminated animal blood of having anything to do with spreading the refined spores via the postal system. This is either nothing, or we ain't gettin' the whole story.

58 posted on 12/01/2001 1:50:47 PM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: piasa
I wonder if the 'Thomas' Foral they have found is the 'Tomas' Foral hilighted in the acknowledgements for this article on the west Nile Virus in birds...

Yes, and in fact he had some of that in his home freezer as well. Along with some equine encephalitis. This guy was a veritable collector of diseases. On the other hand, he studies veterinary diseases, so who knows whether it means anything.

Other stuff: Near as I can tell, he was born in the U.S., in Iowa. References to Ames, Iowa will go nowhere; he's been living in CT so long that he would have been a little kid when he was in Iowa. He is unlikely to be the Tomas Foral listed on the faculty of the Czech university; it's possible, but I don't think so. He's only a grad student now. His family mostly goes by the name Jirku, although they seem to have a penchant for adopting Americanized names; Jiri becomes George, etc. For Tomas to also use Thomas would not be out of place in his family. I don't think it's a matter of adopting 'aliases' so much as trying to become Americans by losing the foreign-sounding names.

I would be surprised if this guy turns out to be the culprit in the anthrax mailings.


59 posted on 12/01/2001 1:54:25 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Cachelot
well if he had stuck with whoppers an not putting germs in his fridge he would not be in this mess.HA!
60 posted on 12/01/2001 2:27:57 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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