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An especially sad case made for Carrying a Concealed Gun/Police can not and will not Protect You
Philadelphia Inquirer - Front Page ^ | December 1, 2001 | Dwight Ott/Maureen Graham

Posted on 12/01/2001 11:51:14 AM PST by Attila_the_Hun

Dispatcher ignored 911 call about kidnapping

A woman was abducted from a N.J. train station and killed. Police say the operator failed to act when a witness called.

By Dwight Ott and Maureen Graham INQUIRER STAFF WRITERS

The night that Christine Lynn Eberle was abducted and murdered, Camden police dispatchers received a 911 call reporting an emergency and asking for help at the Ferry Avenue station of the PATCO High-Speed Line.

But the information was never relayed to officers on patrol, according to police, and within hours Eberle was dead.

Last night, a 20-year veteran dispatcher with the Camden police was suspended without pay for failing to pass on the caller's information.

The dispatcher, identified as Marie H. Cupparo, 69, of Camden, did not respond to a request for comment left on her answering machine, and no one answered the door at her home last night.

Police Chief Robert E. Allenbach said that he suspended Cupparo for "failing to take action on information supplied in a 911 call."

Eberle, 27, a Center City office worker, was on her way home to Washington Township when she was abducted about 8 p.m. on Nov. 12 in the 1,200-space parking lot. Her body was found the following night about three miles away in a wooded area.

Two Camden men are facing murder charges in the case.

According to investigators, the caller telephoned police from his car in the PATCO lot to say that he saw a woman struggling with two men. The caller, whom police would not identify, said a woman was screaming as she was being dragged into a car. The man followed the abductors' car through the parking lot and then lost sight of it, investigators said. All the while he was on the phone with police dispatch, they said.

The dispatcher dismissed the incident as a domestic dispute and never relayed the information to patrol officers, according to investigators.

Camden County Prosecutor Lee A. Solomon said his office was actively investigating the lapse.

"If anybody failed to take action or acted in any way to contribute to what happened to Christine Eberle, there will be hell to pay," Solomon said.

A transcript of the 911 tape was not available last night.

Allenbach said the Camden Police Department would release a full account of the incident next week.

"I assure that the Camden Police Department Internal Affairs Office and myself will investigate this matter to the fullest," Allenbach said.

This comes as Allenbach is fighting to keep his job as police chief. The city's mayor, Gwendolyn Faison, has refused to sign a new contract with him. But Allenbach has many supporters and allies, among them Solomon, who said he would investigate how the information was leaked and whether word about the 911 lapse was leaked to discredit the Police Department.

"If this was leaked for political purposes, or to gain a political advantage, it is reprehensible," Solomon said.

Eberle's mother, Linda Reis, said earlier yesterday that she had not been told of the 911 call.

Eberle was a financial manager at Delaware Investments in Center City and was engaged to be married in April.

When she did not come home from work that night, her fiance went looking for her. He found her 2002 Ford Explorer in the PATCO lot about 1 a.m., but it was not there when he returned about 5 a.m. That morning he filed a missing-person report with the Washington Township police.

Later that day, suspect Ryshaone H. Thomas, 23, of Camden, was spotted driving the Explorer and was arrested. That night, Eberle's beaten body was found in a wooded area in the Fairview section of Camden, not far from where Thomas lived with his grandmother. Police said she had died warding off a sexual assault.

The second suspect, Marcus D. Toliver, 22, was arrested Nov. 16. Both are being held in the Camden County Jail on $1 million bail.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist
For any of the Gun Control Nuts in New Jersey, of which there are plenty, how dare they say that Police Protection is enough. If either the victim or the witness had a concealed firearm the police inaction would not have cost an innocent victim her life. This so-called dispatcher should rot in jail!!!
1 posted on 12/01/2001 11:51:14 AM PST by Attila_the_Hun
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To: Attila_the_Hun
Dial 911 and Die
2 posted on 12/01/2001 11:58:49 AM PST by GnL
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To: Attila_the_Hun
I smell a promotion in Marie's future...JFK
3 posted on 12/01/2001 12:01:30 PM PST by BADROTOFINGER
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To: Attila_the_Hun
Later that day, suspect Ryshaone H. Thomas, 23, of Camden

Gee... I wonder who he voted for in the 2000 election?

4 posted on 12/01/2001 12:11:08 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Attila_the_Hun
he would investigate how the information was leaked and whether
word about the 911 lapse was leaked to discredit the Police Department.

Yeah, that's the real scandal here.  How about charging
the dispatcher with accessory to murder?
 

5 posted on 12/01/2001 12:14:00 PM PST by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Yeah, that's the real scandal here. How about charging the dispatcher with accessory to murder?

And just blaming the dispatcher isn't right either... She's probably a product of that police department's overall "FU" attitude to the public that they "protect and serve."

6 posted on 12/01/2001 12:15:46 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Attila_the_Hun
Christine Lyn Eberle was abducted and killed by Kyshoane and Marcus.

Anybody want to bet that this is another unreported black on white hate crime?

7 posted on 12/01/2001 12:17:05 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: ambrose
As horrible as it sounds the police did nothing wrong. Under precedents going back to 1856, the police is NOT obligated to protect particular individuals, only the community at large. The police only get to people who have been murdered usually after the fact. Its up to people to provide themselves with the means of their own protection since the police can't be everywhere all the time. Most people who have been murdered in this country counted on the police to be there for them and they were unaware that isn't really possible and so they paid the price. The bottom line is if you need to go someplace you wouldn't go don't go or take a gun with you. That's about all you can do to stay alive.
8 posted on 12/01/2001 12:23:21 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: Attila_the_Hun
In 89.6% of violent crimes directed against women, the offender does not have a gun; and only 10% of rapists carry a firearm. Thus, armed women will usually have a decided advantage against their attackers.
Don B. Kates, Jr., Guns, Murders, and the Constitution: A Realistic Assessment of Gun Control, (1990), at 29, citing U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).
Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, (1991):111-116, 148.

In 1966-67, the media highly publicized a safety course which taught Orlando women how to use guns. The result: Orlando's rape rate dropped 88% in 1967, whereas the rape rate remained constant in the rest of Florida and the nation.
Kleck, 'Crime Control,' at 13.

Courtesy of gunfacts.org

9 posted on 12/01/2001 12:26:55 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: *bang_list
In the ten years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, there were 478,248 people who received permits to carry firearms. FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 39% during that 10-year period. The Florida rate is now far below the national average.
Florida Department of State, Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report (10/1/87-12/31/97) and 'Crime in the United States,' Uniform Crime Reports, (1988): 7, 53; and FBI, (1998):15, 77.

10 posted on 12/01/2001 12:29:20 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Attila_the_Hun
"If this was leaked for political purposes, or to gain a political advantage, it is reprehensible," Solomon said.

That's odd...what I personally find reprehensible is the actions of this dispatcher playing cop. I guess the public has no right to know about this, Mr. Solomon. And would the dispatcher even have been disciplined it the story didn't come out? Somehow I doubt it.

11 posted on 12/01/2001 12:30:36 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: Travis McGee
"Anybody want to bet that this is another unreported black on white hate crime?"

The names of the criminals are black names and Christine is a common white name. I have never depended upon the cops to protect me. That is why I have a concealed pistol permit.

12 posted on 12/01/2001 12:40:09 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Attila_the_Hun
Here is the e-mail address for the county freeholder (Helen Albright) responsible for the Department of Public Safety in Camden County. Please let her know how you feel about this absolutely ludicrous situation and how the prosecutor is missing the entire point!

halbright@co.camden.nj.us

13 posted on 12/01/2001 12:46:07 PM PST by Attila_the_Hun
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To: stands2reason
Ref #11. About seven years ago when I lived across from Volunteer Park in Seattle, I heard a gunshot in the park. It was about 1 am. I called 911 and reported it and the (10% quota) dispatcher told me that I probably heard a car backfire. I explained to her that it was indeed a gun and I knew the difference. She insisted it was a car backfiring.

The next morning I awoke to a great deal of commotion in the park. Seems an early morning jogger found the body of a man who had committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.

14 posted on 12/01/2001 12:46:25 PM PST by eaglewatch
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To: Attila_the_Hun
Morel: If you care for your life, don't worry about a permit. The perps don't.
15 posted on 12/01/2001 12:49:49 PM PST by Waco
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To: Attila_the_Hun
To Editor for Editorial page.

Citizens in 44 states “Do not fear Gun Owners who “Citizen Carry” (CC).”

In 1986 only eight (8) states allow “citizen carry” (CC) and crime was on the rise. In the year 2001, 42 states now have CC laws on the books and crime continues to drop. Researchers to the self-defense issue, has noticed crime begin dropping immediately after enactment in each state and showed up four - five years before the Brady law. Our Indiana neighbor has issued 350,000 CC permits and zero (0) has been revoked for a firearms homicide. In these states Police Chief’s are pleasantly surprised in the quality of the applicant.

There are 21 times more (est. 2,500,000) CC owners than “street” policeman (120,000) in the United States. Policemen killed 330 innocent citizens in 1996 and CC’ers (30). Statistically you are 300 times more likely to be innocently shot by a policeman than a CC owner. Sidebar: 700,000 Doctors kill by mistake 90,000 people annually in our nation. Our hearts should go out to each and every family and our heads need to be crystal clear on this issue. Also Citizen Carry citizens commit less crime that even Police officers as a statistical group.

Women are the fastest growing group of gun owners in the United States. “Dial 911 and Die” is real with 911 response times from 5 to 30 minutes. Police only stop 4% in the act violent crime. What logic would as representative suggest to a woman to “talk down” the rapist with AIDS or HIV or STD? 10 minutes is a long time. Get your watch and start talking. Do GG (Gun Grabbers) honestly think the rapist will use a condom? Women should be outraged at the GG for forcing such defenseless thinking. Did you know most rapes last from 2 to 4 hours.

Question? Why do you think, judges, probation officers, bail bondman, attorneys and social workers are given the right to CC or decide to carry illegally? If you ask they will tell you, they are dealing bad guys everyday and know the mindset of these early release felons.

Bad guys will always have guns. It is “dumb and dumber” to believe America is safer by taking away firearms from honest American Citizens or to make felons. Anti gun groups and faulty ordinances in Chicago land are doing just the opposite providing “gun free zones” for criminals to operate in.

Most all State Statues are written to protect the general public not the individual. It is the individual’s responsibility to protect themselves and their families at home and away from home.

Road Rage: It is a myth that CC owners kill cops, or citizens with Road Rage. In the United States over the last twenty years only two (2) known road rage shootings have occurred. Believe me if Road Rage shootings were a problem, the Gun Grabbers (GG’ers), would let us know. One case, after a car accident in TX, the driver begins to punch the man in the face, breaking his eye socket, nose. Profusely bleeding from the face and fearing for his life, the 65 yr old driver pulled his gun and shot the road raged driver saving his life.

· My personal thoughts: Every solid citizen who elects to “CC” carry’s a tremendous burden. This burden is to stay legal, or be charged with a felony or at least a grand jury indictment, should they ever break one of 25,000 gun laws or kill an attacking criminal. We have plenty of criminal laws to put them away for life should any CC’er turn to the dark side. · Jesus in the Bible was smart enough to cast blame on Cain for killing Abel, not blame the stone. Those who believe the “GG” fear spinners need to wake up. · One final closing thought, Christian religions and other religions teach the need to protect ones self. Jesus said in Luke 22:36 30 He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. The sword was the finest weapon outside of the home of its time, far better than rocks, clubs, and stones.

PS Michigan CC red herring http://www.townhall.com/columnists/stevechapman/sc20010628.shtml

Department of Justice, FBI, CIA, statistics and facts http://members.home.com/guys/GunFacts.pdf

16 posted on 12/01/2001 1:28:56 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: Travis McGee
Christine Lyn Eberle was abducted and killed by Kyshoane and Marcus. Anybody want to bet that this is another unreported black on white hate crime?

Aw, you know that "hate crimes" only happen when the perp is white. I bet their lawyers will be blaming it on the "racist" woman for resisting their amorous advances.

17 posted on 12/01/2001 1:57:41 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: Travis McGee
Don't you know it can't be a hate crime when the perps are black? Obviously, they were just responding to 400 years of oppression. Off to the re-education camps with you!
18 posted on 12/01/2001 2:27:23 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: GnL
So, basically, it shows that even if you don't call 911 but a guardian angel calls 911 for you, you still die.

Which is why only the police should have guns.< /gun grabber logic>

19 posted on 12/01/2001 2:43:19 PM PST by coloradan
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To: goldstategop
The police seem to do a fair job of investigating crimes after they happen. They just aren't very good at preventing crimes or catching criminals right after they occur. There are exceptions: Jon Bonet Ramsey, and others.

Now that their funding is increased, the FBI is getting better at developing the intelligence necessary to prevent actions by groups, but they are not very good at preventing individuals from taking such action.

20 posted on 12/01/2001 2:49:34 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Attila_the_Hun
Camden is a scary scary city. Vacant lots and half-destroyed buildings. There is a sort of revitalization zone with the aquarium and hospital and open air auditorium. Three blocks away the streets are largely empty even during the day. I would hate to be in a train station parking lot after dark.

The Newark Star-Ledger had one little paragraph on this sensational case. They are a schizo paper. On the one hand they like to publicize young white suburban teens who die in tragic circumstances and ignore black teens who die the same way. White lives seem to matter more there.

On the other hand they trumpet white on black crimes, looking for the racial motive. Black on white, or on asian, crime gets buried, downplayed, unanalyzed. There are one or two cases like this every year. Guess how many black women have been raped and murdered by white carjackers in the last ten years?

Mrs VS

21 posted on 12/01/2001 2:57:08 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor
"..There is a sort of revitalization zone with the aquarium and hospital and open air auditorium. ..."

Read, constrution kickbacks, payoffs, quality and material ripoff----all to hooked up political hacks and their "friends" with tax confiscated dollars.

22 posted on 12/01/2001 3:35:23 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Attila_the_Hun
The caller, whom police would not identify, said a woman was screaming as she was being dragged into a car.

It just a matter of time before people start saying that her mistake was to scream. In the minds of liberals, she should have fully cooperated and begged for her life.

"If anybody failed to take action or acted in any way to contribute to what happened to Christine Eberle, there will be hell to pay," Solomon said.

Yeah, right. The polticians in the sh*thole otherwise known as New Joisey have passed laws banning Americans there from defending themselves. Solomon should start his crusade by publicly criticizing them and campaigning for CCW laws in New Joisey.

23 posted on 12/01/2001 3:36:09 PM PST by Mulder
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To: Attila_the_Hun
Every day I am thankful that I left the People's Republic of New Jersey.
24 posted on 12/01/2001 3:44:40 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Attila_the_Hun
What a horrible story!
A few years ago while living in Fresno, the 911 response time was said to be 45 minutes, since they didn't have enough police to cover the city.
I wrote the Mayor and complained, and an officer came to my door.
He told me ways to protect myself since they just could not, and one of them was for me to buy a gun, and learn how to use it.
I took his advice, and in fact now have 2 of my own!
25 posted on 12/01/2001 3:48:31 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: GnL
Thanks for the link. At least the police in Fresno were honest about it. I don't live there anymore, and the police service where I live now is much better. However I still remain armed, and have an alarm system in my house complete with a panic button.
26 posted on 12/01/2001 3:50:30 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Attila_the_Hun
The dispatcher, identified as Marie H. Cupparo, 69, of Camden..

Your title is not a logical conclusion!

27 posted on 12/01/2001 3:55:21 PM PST by verity
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To: goldstategop
"The police only get to people who have been murdered usually after the fact. Its up to people to provide themselves with the means of their own protection since the police can't be everywhere all the time."

This is so true, and I have even heard cops say it. All cops do is solve the crime afterwards, hopefully arresting the perp, etc. They cannot protect us.

A girl in my apartment building was being stalked by an obsessive ex-boyfriend. He somehow got in to our building, though it is a security building, and started screaming and banging on her door. She called 911. NOBODY EVER showed up. Fortunately the guy eventually gave up and went away, but he could have easily broken the window, gotten in, and killed her.

Of course, people like Rosie O'Donnell and Sharon Stone, who can afford bodyguards, security systems, etc., don't want us to be able to defend ourselves. It's really an outrage.

28 posted on 12/01/2001 4:07:04 PM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Attila_the_Hun
This so-called dispatcher should rot in jail!!!

Not just the dispatcher, the politicians, retired or currently serving that voted for every single gun control law that affects law-abiding citizens of New Jersey.

29 posted on 12/01/2001 7:26:06 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: PLMerite; WackyKat
No doubt the girl "dissed them" by rebuffing their amorous advances of grabbing their crotches and so on.
30 posted on 12/01/2001 8:55:10 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Anybody want to bet that this is another unreported black on white hate crime?

I will make that bet and give 20 to 1 odds (what can I say I'm a frugal New Englander). Needless to say I get collect if the perps were black and the victim white.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

31 posted on 12/03/2001 8:08:59 AM PST by harpseal
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