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What the nurse saw [The baby was brought to the room to die. There was no medical intervention.]
OSV ^ | 12-01-01 | Jay Copp

Posted on 12/01/2001 6:22:38 PM PST by JMJ333

Nurse Jill Stanek made a shocking discovery when she moved from the cardiac unit to labor and delivery at Christ Hospital and Medical Center in Oak Lawn, Ill., a Chicago Suburb: The Christian hospital, affiliated with the United Church of Christ and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, performed abortions.

Her dismay increased in 1999 when she learned the hospital did an abortion procedure that induces labor early and sometimes results in live births of late-term babies--infants that were left to die, sometimes surviving for as long as an hour.

Stanek has testified twice before congress about the labor-induction abortion used at Christ Hospital and other hospitals too. On Aug. 31, she was fired from her job. The hospital says Stanek's claims are untrue and unsubstantiated, and that patients receive compassionate care.

Our Sunday Visitor [OSV]talked to Stanek about the cruelty of the procedure and legislative efforts to protect infants who survive the procedure.

OSV: Tell us about the experience you had at Christ Hospital with a baby aborted through labor induction.

Jill Stanek: There was a baby with Down's Syndrome who had been aborted, and one of the nurses was carrying him to a soiled utility room. She said she didn't have time to hold him. I told her I wouldn't let the baby die alone. I held the baby for 45 minutes. I thought, this is insane. This can't be happening.

The baby was brought to the room to die. There was no medical intervention. I could see when his heart stopped beating. His skin was thin; I held the baby up to the light to check on the heart.

OSV: What was the policy on abortion at the hospital?

Stanek: Abortion could be used on babies for non-fatal diseases such as Down's Syndrome and Spina Bifida, as well as for the life and health of the mother.

OSV:That was changed after you caused a stir?

Stanek: Yes. You couldn't abort for nonfatal illness, but you can still abort in the event of rape or incest. They had been planning on adopting an abortion policy that would have included babies with cystic fibrosis, HIV, and mild retardation. They pulled back after my experiences at the hospital were reported by newspapers.

OSV:How does the labor-induction work, and why would a hospital choose to adopt such a procedure?

Stanek: You insert a medication into the birth canal that irritates the cervix. The baby is still small, maybe 1 pound to 2 pounds. The baby falls right out of the uterus.

We know babies can feel pain at 20 weeks. How would you like not to be able to breathe?

OSV:What did you do after you had held the dying baby?

Stanek: I decided I had to do something. I prayed. I read Proverbs 24:11-12; "You will rescue those who are unjustly sentenced to die. Don't stand back and let them die. Don't disclaim responsibility." I decided to stay and fight it.

I wrote a letter to the hospital administrators. I believed they didn't know what was going on. They called themselves "Christians". They called a meeting with me and said I might be better off at a hospital that shared my convictions.

I was meeting with my pastor, and he told the hospital that if they didn't change the policy, we would alert anyone who would listen to what they were doing. So, in July 1999, we wrote a letter to 70 pro-life churches and organizations in the Chicago area and nationwide.

OSV:You also eventuall testified before congress. What did you say?

Stanek: I talked about my experience at holding the baby. I was told I could also tell what others had told me. A nurse had told me about a baby they thought that had spina bifida. That's what they thought because of the ultrasound. It turned out it was an incomplete twin in the placenta. They aborted a healthy baby.

I told about how aborted babies were left naked on a weigh scale and metal counter. I talked about how a baby had been wrapped in a towel, and the cleaning lady accidentally put it in the garbage. The baby fell out on the floor when they were looking through it.

OSV:When you look back at your experiences, how do you view it?

Stanek: I look back on it as obedience to God. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I'm 45 years old. I've done enough wrong things in my life to know that even though people might not know you've done something wrong, you feel so bad about yourself if you don't do the right thing. I did it for Christ.

I think the name of the hospital can't be overlooked. God has chosen this hospital. The name of his son has been dishonored.


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This article is in this week's print edition of OSV, but it wasn't included on their website, so I typed it in. My apologies for any spelling errors.
1 posted on 12/01/2001 6:22:38 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: SlickWillard
FYI
2 posted on 12/01/2001 6:23:12 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: ArGee
fyi.
3 posted on 12/01/2001 6:26:35 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
We could expect this type of abortion/infanticide in Communist China, but in the U. S. A.?
4 posted on 12/01/2001 6:30:27 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: wai-ming
I think we in the pro-life movement are asleep at the wheel. We've ceded the enemy too much teritory. We need to get aggressive and start using the best weapon we have against this injustice--pictures of the reality of abortion--a la Greg Cunningham style. I don't want to stand in front of God and explain why I was silent as this insipid moral evil continues in our country.
5 posted on 12/01/2001 6:34:35 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: *Catholic_list; *Abortion_list
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6 posted on 12/01/2001 6:36:33 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
We're doomed if this kind of inhumanity is allowed to continue.
7 posted on 12/01/2001 6:36:48 PM PST by BenF
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To: wai-ming
When you are dealing with agents of the UCC and ELCA, two dissolute and hollowed-out hulks of formerly Christian communions, pretty much anything goes. Your reference to communist China is not far off the mark with respect to these corruptors of the Faith
8 posted on 12/01/2001 6:39:28 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: wai-ming
We could expect this type of abortion/infanticide in Communist China, but in the U. S. A.?

I am repulsed at the suggestion that an Evangelical Lutheran Church affiliated with a hospital condones abortions.........but then, the ELCA has adopted quite a few 'liberal' doctrines in the past few years........one reason I changed to the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod....

9 posted on 12/01/2001 6:39:58 PM PST by Uff Da
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To: JMJ333
I would have gone ballistic were I the nurse who witnessed this. God bless her for what she tried to do, and for holding that poor little baby in her arms so it didn't die alone.
10 posted on 12/01/2001 6:41:35 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
Her act was an act of mercy, love and kindness. We can do all things in Christ. :)
11 posted on 12/01/2001 6:45:32 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: Fury; Notwithstanding
bttt
12 posted on 12/01/2001 6:46:22 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
bump
13 posted on 12/01/2001 6:46:51 PM PST by IM2Phat4U
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To: JMJ333
We need to get aggressive and start using the best weapon we have against this injustice--pictures of the reality of abortion--a la Greg Cunningham style.

Agreed. Nobody can defend their disgust at the pictures. They say "you shouldn't show that because it's ugly or disgusting"- well why is it disgusting? Why is it terrible to behold? They can't answer that question without ceding the point that it is a mulilated human.

14 posted on 12/01/2001 6:47:51 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Uff Da
LCMS Bump...but watch out for newly elected pres. of the Synod, Kieschnick. He's a big church-growth guy, so it wouldn't surprise me if "popular opinion" starts influencing church policy. I trust this guy about as far as I can throw Co-X42...
15 posted on 12/01/2001 6:48:29 PM PST by StrictTime
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To: JMJ333
There was a baby with Down's Syndrome who had been aborted

I'm opposed to abortion in all circumstances, but hearing the baby had Down's Syndrome, and the abortion had already occurred (what could the nurse do?) at least the baby didn't have to go through life disabled. If there's a bright side.

16 posted on 12/01/2001 6:52:42 PM PST by wildconservatism
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To: JMJ333
I think this should be more widley circulated

Abortion Is Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth

Mary Maitland(sp?) use to have a radio talk show in D.C. She interviewed a nurse who had spoke at the Congressional hearings. The nurse said most of the women getting late term abortions were teenagers whose parents had just found out, not women with their lives at stake (It's more dangerous to have a late term abortion than a live birth.) How congress can listen to this and not be outraged is beyond me.
17 posted on 12/01/2001 7:11:45 PM PST by lizma
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To: wildconservatism
Sad that you think murder is the answer to disabilities. How about poverty? Should we murder the poor so atleast they won't have to suffer deprivation?
18 posted on 12/01/2001 7:19:56 PM PST by beGlad
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To: beGlad
Sad that you think murder is the answer to disabilities. How about poverty? Should we murder the poor so atleast they won't have to suffer deprivation?

No, poverty is not an irreversible condition. But I do think the poor should receive *no* welfare...both as an incentive to get them to change their reversible condition, and as a way of keeping them from breeding more poor people.

19 posted on 12/01/2001 7:25:36 PM PST by wildconservatism
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To: wildconservatism
Its really not up to you to decide who breeds or not.
20 posted on 12/01/2001 7:28:50 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: wildconservatism
"Breeds?" Do you tink they are less than human because they're poor?
21 posted on 12/01/2001 7:29:50 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
What have we become to allow this to happen? Wickedness is waxing worse and worse.

You are so right. We have fallen asleep...while our children are killed.

The Lord's heart certainly breaks as He watches this. I'm at a loss for words.

22 posted on 12/01/2001 7:36:41 PM PST by woollyone
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To: JMJ333
Its really not up to you to decide who breeds or not.

No, it's not up to me...but that doesn't mean the American people have to subsidize those births with welfare money. Fortunately, it's up to the Constitution, strictly constructed, meaning no general welfare clause or interstate commerce clause shennanigans, that welfare programs shouldn't exist. Makes the situation nicely. Thank God for limited government and the Tenth Amendment!

23 posted on 12/01/2001 7:41:16 PM PST by wildconservatism
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To: wildconservatism
I'm busy praying and working for an end to an atrocity far worse than taxation--the slaughter of innocents. If the nuclear family were intact we wouldn't have to worry about using public money for supporting unwanted babies. Free societies only work if they're based on moral law.
24 posted on 12/01/2001 7:59:05 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Her dismay increased in 1999 when she learned the hospital did an abortion procedure that induces labor early and sometimes results in live births of late-term babies--infants that were left to die, sometimes surviving for as long as an hour.

The people who do this are the same ones who cry big crocodile tears when enemy terrorists are killed by our forces and when criminals are executed for their crimes. Talk about the ultimate in hypocrisy. They are truly sick bastards.

25 posted on 12/01/2001 8:22:25 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: JMJ333
This is medicine's dirty little secret. It happens more often than you all think. My mother told me about this a long time ago.

When a baby is horribly disfigured and/or badly retarded they whisk the baby away after birth without letting the mother see it, then lay it aside to die knowing that babies that are that bad usually die within an hour. They tell the mother it was a still birth. Sometimes the baby refuses to die. When that happens they ship it to a sanitorium and warehouse it there untill it dies at some point in the future.

Cruel and inhuman indeed, but meant to save the mother the grief of having to see such an ugly sight on what should be the happiest day of her life. I imagine ultrasounds and the recent practice of letting the mother hold the still birth have thrown a curve to this whole practice but I'm sure it still goes on.

26 posted on 12/01/2001 9:12:40 PM PST by america76
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To: JMJ333
They perform abortions (infanticide) at a hospital called Christ Hospital?
27 posted on 12/01/2001 9:17:12 PM PST by StockAyatollah
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To: JMJ333
Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save from the power of hell, and lead all souls to heaven, especially thoss that have most need of thy mercy. Amen.
28 posted on 12/01/2001 9:20:33 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: StockAyatollah
The nurse mentions that at the end of the article. It just goes to show you that people can claim to be anything.
29 posted on 12/01/2001 9:22:26 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
I cry too easy these days. Can't bear to read this article, knowing too well what happened, and what happens too often.
30 posted on 12/01/2001 9:25:07 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RobbyS
I love those Fatima prayers! Thanks for posting it.

Here's one from the Divine Mercy:

Eternal Father, I offer you the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, of your dearly beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins, and those of the whole world. For the sake of his sorrowful passion--have mercy on us and on the whole world!

31 posted on 12/01/2001 9:28:31 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
bttt
32 posted on 12/01/2001 9:33:20 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: JMJ333
You have Freepmail.
33 posted on 12/01/2001 9:33:58 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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To: Brad's Gramma
Consider it done! :)
34 posted on 12/01/2001 9:39:21 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Once again, MUCHOTHANKYOU!!!!!!!!!! :-)
35 posted on 12/01/2001 9:40:12 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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To: wildconservatism
Down's Syndrome children aren't necessarily totally incapacitated, and no one has the right to deprive him of his chance at life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as best as he can. Any one of us can end up brain-damaged and just as disabled. Does that mean a mother should be able to starve or asphyxiate a child that had a head injury?
36 posted on 12/01/2001 9:46:09 PM PST by skr
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To: MHGinTN
A "Thank you for those pings" ping!
37 posted on 12/01/2001 9:50:24 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: skr
Does that mean a mother should be able to starve or asphyxiate a child that had a head injury? 36 posted by skr

No, it means that at the heart of medicine and law in America is an hypocrisy so vile that to prosecute a woman that kills her neonate is a double standard since the doctors are allowed to do it at their whim if in a hospital setting. Once the liberal puke-faced judges commit such atrocious duplicity as to condemn a woman for these vile acts you mention yet ignore 'for societal engineering purposes' the 'doctors' who do the same and worse, the judicial process is a farce. This is the demonic harvest predicted by some when Roe v Wade was decided as it was by the leftists bastards that sat that unconstitutional court in 1973, may they rot in Hell, those that wrote in support/concurrence with the sick excuse for a chief justice.

38 posted on 12/01/2001 10:01:23 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: skr
Thank you for your post.

I am the grandmother of a Down's boy, and he is in no way handicapped, or disabled. He is now 4 years old and very bright, because we do not treat him as if he has a problem, we expect him to learn and to be the best he can be, just like any other child. He is the light of my life and "IF" I could I would not reverse the situation. I was belssed with a son who died at age 24 after 8 years and 8 brain tumor operations. He too was bright, and "IF" I could I would not bring him back, but our Lord blessed us with this little grandson to fill the void. When he was born I told his parents how bless they were to be chosen by our Lord to take care of HIS little soul, that HE gave them this boy because HE knew they could handle the job, they were hand picked.

I never look at people with disablilties as being a problem, only opportunities for me to learn from them and serve.

Downs Syndrome is not a disablity, we are blessed for their being alive.

39 posted on 12/01/2001 10:45:14 PM PST by annieokie
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To: JMJ333
Can you imagine the uproar if these babies had been puppies???? Sickening.
40 posted on 12/01/2001 11:02:20 PM PST by brat
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To: annieokie
You humble me, God bless you and thank you for your inspiring faith and for sharing it. V's wife.
41 posted on 12/01/2001 11:12:16 PM PST by ventana
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To: JMJ333
bump
42 posted on 12/02/2001 5:52:08 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: wildconservatism
So...a baby needs to be perfect to be loved and accepted?! Down Syndrome folks are the most loving of all individuals. You should be ashamed.
43 posted on 12/02/2001 5:53:50 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: annieokie
bump and hugs and total agreement!
44 posted on 12/02/2001 5:57:42 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: wildconservatism
but hearing the baby had Down's Syndrome,

What is so bad about people with Down's Syndrome? Many of them have close to normal IQs, they tend to be happy people who ask for little. The best advice ever given to me was from a woman co-worker who had a daughter with Downs. She was telling me what a wonderful person she was, that she isn't very intelligent but she works and she is happy with her life. She told me that happiness is the best you can hope for your children to have ---retarded or intelligent --and that it is far better to have a happy but less intelligent child than one who is extremely intelligent but miserable with their lives. Often it's the very high IQ people who commit suicide.

45 posted on 12/02/2001 6:15:47 AM PST by FITZ
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To: JMJ333

That can't happen here...This is still America, isn't it ?? ??

I just cannot comprehend the thought process(es) that allows a woman to do things like this...to another life, that she alone is the only source (on Earth) of nurturing and protection....
...only then to be praised for her choices of life....

But, if anything happens to the God-forsaken locations that these decendants of Torquemada practice their wares - CNN, along with all of the rest of the Dewey-Trained News Services - hit the airways like a collective gathering of the dogs of Pavlov. To sing the praises of the work done by these 'caring people' that were so maliciously taken before their time.

The taking of a human life, in this matter, is murder !! !!
If the lump of cells inside a woman's body isn't a Baby...then....she isn't pregnant.

46 posted on 12/02/2001 6:50:23 AM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: Alabama_Wild_Man
We can't sit by and let this go on in our community anymore! We have to be pro-active and get our message out more effectively. We need action! Thanks for the Sunday bump.
47 posted on 12/02/2001 7:38:21 AM PST by JMJ333
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To: homeschool mama
Thanks for the bttt
48 posted on 12/02/2001 7:52:41 AM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
>>...The hospital says Stanek's claims are untrue and unsubstantiated, and that patients receive compassionate care....<<

Patients recieve "compassionate care" but not the babies.

49 posted on 12/02/2001 7:59:38 AM PST by FReepaholic
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To: JMJ333
Sunday afternoon BTTT for the precious Babies.
50 posted on 12/02/2001 2:06:32 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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