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Gov. Jesse Ventura (I-Minnesota) Considering Senate Bid To Unseat Incumbent Democrat Paul Wellstone
The Sunday New York Times ^ | December 2, 2001 | Election/Government Section

Posted on 12/02/2001 4:59:12 AM PST by codebreaker

To hear the political buzz in Minnesota-and that is all it is-Gov. Jesse Ventura is giving some thought to trying to unseat Sen. Paul Wellstone next year instead of seeking re-election.

Governor Ventura, a famously vocal independent, usually has a comment on just about everything.

But of his political future, he has said nothing definitive, refusing not only to address the Senate rumour but also to say whether he will run for a second term as governor.


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1 posted on 12/02/2001 4:59:12 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
Sen. Paul Wellstone needs to be defeated, even by Jesse "The Mindless" Ventura.

Jesse, sure would be an interesting Senator.

Think of the photo opps with Little Tommy Dashole.

He would need three phone books to sit on

Do you think feather boas would be in style? Condit might even take to wearing on in the House floor

2 posted on 12/02/2001 5:07:10 AM PST by JZoback
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To: JZoback
Jeese would get along good with Ben 'Nighthorse' Campbell.
3 posted on 12/02/2001 5:10:25 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: NAMMARINE
That puts him well ahead of Wellstone
5 posted on 12/02/2001 5:12:39 AM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: codebreaker
Won't happen. Even though Jesse is adored by the national press, and he hates the Minnesota pundits, he wants to be The Man wherever he goes. Being one of 50 Senators and not being able to go off on someone are not his style. Plus, although no dummy, mastering the rules of the Senate regarding passing bills, debate, etc. is a bit much for him to handle.
6 posted on 12/02/2001 5:14:05 AM PST by GreatOne
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To: Balding_Eagle
Anything to get more 'rats out of the Senate is OK by me..
7 posted on 12/02/2001 5:14:20 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: GreatOne
It would be absolutely hilarious, Jesse and Strom photo ops, Jesse and Orrin Hatch-the possibilites boggle the mind.
8 posted on 12/02/2001 5:16:23 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
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9 posted on 12/02/2001 5:20:21 AM PST by RJayneJ
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To: codebreaker
I would LOVE to see Wellstone get his arse kicked by Jesse. Go Jesse Go!
10 posted on 12/02/2001 5:26:56 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: codebreaker
Better a clown than a clone.

-- Gotta love having one more [semi-independant] clown in the senate, instead of the usual clones from either party.

And as we can see, this is a big threat to party hacks.

11 posted on 12/02/2001 5:26:59 AM PST by tpaine
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To: codebreaker
Question: What has Paul Wellstone done that a RINO Senator from Minnesota would have done differently?

Wellstone is my example of an honest liberal, and for that I'm greatful.

Honest liberals, although political light years away from true conservatives on some issues,
are OK in my book.

PS: Many non Pubbies would vote for Wellstone over, lets say,,,Liddy Dole....

12 posted on 12/02/2001 5:30:20 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: codebreaker
I agree with that. Jesse would definitely go off on anyone who tried to tell him what to do, and he's powerful enough with the national media that he could go to them if someone tried to twist his arm. He'd be an independent, so he wouldn't necessarily be beholden to either side. However, since his staff now is entirely made up of disaffected DemoRats, that's probably who he'd caucus with.

As he has done with the governorship, he'd make it interesting.

13 posted on 12/02/2001 5:37:49 AM PST by GreatOne
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To: codebreaker
Ventura does not follow Dashole and leahy around drooling!!
14 posted on 12/02/2001 5:40:20 AM PST by mbb bill
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To: Jethro Tull
I think Jesse may turn Republican if Ben Campbell would work on him a little bit.
15 posted on 12/02/2001 5:40:43 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: GreatOne
I'm not so sure he would caucus with the 'rats, most of his positions seem Pubbie to Libertarian,
16 posted on 12/02/2001 5:42:05 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I think that race between Wellstone and Jesse would be a lot closer than most think.
17 posted on 12/02/2001 5:43:35 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: JZoback
No, Jesse Ventura would get along well with the liberals in the Senate, for he is a total social liberal who sometimes hates to see public funds "wasted." Just because he claims to have been a Navy SEAL (this claim, as I understand it, is disputed), asdoes not make this egomaniac a conservative. He would work well with Daschle and Feinstein and the other liberals. He could even be Daschle's nonpaid bodyguard. I don't think the Bush "pick," Norm Coleman, is "up" (in the preposition of that other Jesse -- Jesse Helms) to run again against Ventura. Look for Coleman to pull out of the Senate race if Ventura enters!
18 posted on 12/02/2001 5:44:04 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Look for Coleman to pull out of the Senate race if Ventura enters!

Huh, no way. It would turn into a three way race just like the 98 governors race. With Ventura taking more voters away from Wellstone than Coleman, IMHO.

19 posted on 12/02/2001 5:50:39 AM PST by Dane
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To: codebreaker
Well... since it's Wellstone he wants to replace.
20 posted on 12/02/2001 5:50:42 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: codebreaker
I don't know if you're from Minnesota, but that's what one would think. But again, a) his top staffers were all former Democrats; and b) he is very socially liberal (pro-abortion and pro-gay rights).

Remember, too: Jesse's not a libertarian, although he appears to be. He's much more socially liberal than he is fiscally conservative. Sure, he'd be for tax cuts and other fiscally conservative things, but as with most social liberals, they view the right to kill the unborn and butt-slam their buddies over lower taxes, etc.

I absolutely guarantee you that Jesse would caucus with the Democrats.

21 posted on 12/02/2001 5:55:12 AM PST by GreatOne
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To: Dane
Agreed. Jesse would be the death knell for Wellston in a three man race.
22 posted on 12/02/2001 5:57:42 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: Jethro Tull
Most Minnesota GOP ex-Senators, Boschwitz and Durenberger of past infamy, and most recently the late (only politically dead) lamented Rod Grams, have shown to be fairly sturdy supporters of the GOP presidential agenda. Durenberger came closest to being a 'RINO' and Boschwitz was just plain arrogant and goofy on some issues, where they deviated from orthodox conservatism. Boschwitz's arrogance and political ineptitude is the reason Wellstone got elected in the first place.

You guys think Wellstone is bad, and I certainly tend to agree, that he is more of an 'honest' liberal than the rest of the RATS, but that is almost an oxymoron. And that 'honesty' just means he doesn't mask his fundamental oppositon to almost every tenet of the American notion of individual liberty with reciprocal duties of citizenship, and of capitalism and free enterprise. His 'honesty' does not get anything other than sheltered coverage in the local media from the 'Red Star' to 'Channel 4-Karl Marx'. Dislodging him will be difficult, as Wellstone doesn't have to answer the tough questions (although he 'honestly' is more than happy to, his career is protected by these local yokels who run interference for him). Ventura would definitely be worse, as he runs conservative, and then is basically worse than most RINOs. He would definitely be FAR LEFT of Trent Lott. He may well make this run because (1) It is do-able, and will not involve a dust-up over his record as much as a another term as governor and he can run on his still lingering popularity (although the evidence is he has dropped 25 points in the last few months). And...you may have difficulty believing this but it is true: (2) Jesse fears the conservative christian GOP gubernatorial candidate Brian Sullivan, who is precisely aimed at taking the governship back from him, as he is not a 'politician' but a self-made millionaire who runs schools, among other things, and KNOWS the issues, and is unflinching at the 'culture war' implicit in their clash. Unlike Jesse, virtually everyone is favorably impressed personally with Sullivan. Never underestimate the power of charm and grace. And Jesse's record is blowing apart, when it is explained what kind of tax cuts we could have had instead of the feeble excuses for what we got, plus a demented choo-choo project that will move nobody but criminals to and from the Mega Mall--and stymied all major road projects, and perpetuated Hillary's Profile of Learning curricular disaster in the schools. Nothing to brag about.

23 posted on 12/02/2001 6:08:06 AM PST by Paul Ross
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To: codebreaker
Wellstone is a communist. I have talked to someone that even has pictures of him burning the American flag in years past. I would vote for the "Tourist Guy" before Wellstone.
24 posted on 12/02/2001 6:11:26 AM PST by cibco
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To: codebreaker
There is no question to any Minnesotan that Jesse would caucus with the RATS. Not just his aides. He is a RAT under cover. He made fairly clear who he voted for, and it was never Reagan or Bush. He was constantly having Bill & Hillary over, and had Al & Tipper Gore stay at his family home a week last summer. Maybe Jesse will be going to Al's fictitious 'family restaruant' in Tennessee. This guy is one rotten apple.
25 posted on 12/02/2001 6:14:28 AM PST by Paul Ross
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To: codebreaker
Jesse is good on the Second Amendment.

That alone separates him from all D's and most R's...

26 posted on 12/02/2001 6:18:23 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Paul Ross
#23:"And that 'honesty' just means he doesn't mask his fundamental oppositon to almost every tenet of the American notion of individual liberty with reciprocal duties of citizenship, and of capitalism and free enterprise."

I agree, but my point is that one can have a constructive argument with an honest liberal as opposed to a Fabian socialist.

Bring back HHH!

27 posted on 12/02/2001 6:21:48 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
Question: What has Paul Wellstone done that a RINO Senator from Minnesota would have done differently?

Oh, I don't know, maybe not zealously push for Hillarycare, the rollback of welfare reform, tax hikes, and income redistribution of every description like this "honest liberal" does. The Republican, Norm Coleman, isn't some Jeffords/Chafee type, anyway.

And to say that Liddy Dole is no different than Wellstone makes even less sense than the idea that Dubya was no different than Gore! Times may change, but the Buchananuts stay the same; it may come as a thunderous shock to you Jethro, but there are other issues besides immigration.

28 posted on 12/02/2001 6:29:05 AM PST by winin2000
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To: codebreaker
Jesse and Barbara Milulski.
29 posted on 12/02/2001 6:29:22 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: GreatOne
Being one of 50 Senators and not being able to go off on someone are not his style.

The universal defining characteristic of a Senator, regardles of political persuasion, is a huge ego. Jesse would fit right in.

30 posted on 12/02/2001 6:39:53 AM PST by Lessismore
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To: codebreaker
Great idea! Jesse could provide real balance to the leftist tilt.
32 posted on 12/02/2001 6:55:50 AM PST by pointsal
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To: GreatOne
The Man wherever he goes. Being one of 50 Senators and not being able to go off on someone are not his style.

Hasn't stopped McSHAME, that loser.

33 posted on 12/02/2001 6:57:30 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Jethro Tull
Wellstone is my example of an honest liberal, and for that I'm greatful.

I know what you mean. I sometimes admire him for that, although I disagree with about 99% of what he says are his priorities. He's certainly a lot more honorable than John McSHAME.

34 posted on 12/02/2001 6:59:41 AM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Theodore R.
"Just because he claims to have been a Navy SEAL (this claim, as I understand it, is disputed),"

Think what you want of Ventura...he was a SEAL.

35 posted on 12/02/2001 7:00:55 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: codebreaker
I don't know what Ventura's track record is as governor of Minnisota. The fact that I haven't seen anything BAD about him in the news is a hopeful sign.

Overall, I agree with the opinions he's expressed on issues from welfare to gun ownership. It seems to me the guy has a great deal of common sense. Perhaps he got his views from his days as a Navy Seal.

I say we give this man a chance.

36 posted on 12/02/2001 7:01:47 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Garrison Keillor hates him, that makes Ventura ok in my book.
37 posted on 12/02/2001 7:04:42 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: VA Advogado
"Hasn't stopped McSHAME, that loser."

Just the thought of the fireworks that would spring up between McInsane the anti-gun Republican and Ventura the vocal pro-Second Amendment opinionator is well...fascinating.

If he runs, I hope he wins.

38 posted on 12/02/2001 7:10:23 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: codebreaker
There is enough BLOWHARDS in the Senate without Ventura. It's time for Senators of action, not egomania. Thumbs down on the pink boa idiot.
39 posted on 12/02/2001 7:15:26 AM PST by VRWC For Truth
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To: cake_crumb
Just the thought of the fireworks that would spring up between McInsane the anti-gun Republican and Ventura the vocal pro-Second Amendment opinionator is well...fascinating.

If he runs, I hope he wins

Actually during last years Presidential campaign Ventura was quite deferential to McCain and Gore. Ventura is no conservative, but a loud mouthed buffoon.

Anybody who calls an abortion the same thing as an appendectomy doesn't have it all upstairs.

40 posted on 12/02/2001 7:17:29 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
"Actually during last years Presidential campaign Ventura was quite deferential to McCain and Gore. Ventura is no conservative, but a loud mouthed buffoon"

Rats...I hope he's changed his mind about those two "war heros".

"Anybody who calls an abortion the same thing as an appendectomy doesn't have it all upstairs"

He really said that??

41 posted on 12/02/2001 7:54:05 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Dane
I expect Coleman to self-destruct even without Ventura in the race. There is a good reason that not a peep has been uttered by the Wellstone camp about Coleman: He is a very beatable candidate - with TONS of baggage.

Of Coleman's baggage: Video and audio of Coleman endorsing and praising Wellstone, Clinton and others. Rumors and insinuations about inappropriate influence over the Sherrif's department. And while he sends out pictures of he and his family all smiles, he and his wife are essentially separated with both of them bedding down with other people at the moment. I understand from my sources that at least one of the two major newspapers here have the names of two of the women Norm has been "visiting" lately.

That is a partial list of the damaging things on Norm Coleman at the moment. Most of those things wouldn't harm a Democrat in this state, but in a state where Liberals and Roosevelt Dems rule, a Republican who loses even a percentage of his base is toast. As someone who is not only part of Norm's local base in the St. Paul area but also fairly involved in the Republican party - Norm Coleman's support is weak and lackluster.

I'm betting that another governor, Arne Carlson will jump into this senate race. Arne is the ONLY person to ever defeat Wellstone in a statewide race (They ran against each other for Auditor - and Arne kicked Wellstone all over the place.) Arne is a perceived "liberal Republican" but he has shown he can win repeatedly in a moderate to liberal state like Minnesota.

I'm trying to help put together a draft committee for Arne Carlson. If folks are interested, let me know.

42 posted on 12/02/2001 7:57:07 AM PST by Dan C
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To: Jethro Tull
Question: What has Paul Wellstone done that a RINO Senator from Minnesota would have done differently?

According to the ACU, Wellstone is the most liberal member of the Senate (worst than Kennedy or Leahy).

Anything would be an improvement. I'm from the wing of the party that doesn't write half the country off as being too liberal to win in - we have Gordon Smith in Oregon and Rick Santerum in PA as examples where we have won in places "too liberal". I don't believe in symbolic victories either. You have to win elections to set the agenda. We must WIN more elections.

43 posted on 12/02/2001 9:43:36 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: codebreaker
Replacing Wellstone with Ventura would make absolutely no difference in the Senate. In the end Ventura would be much more likely to caucus with the Dems than with the Pubs. This is much ado about nothing.
44 posted on 12/02/2001 9:51:03 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: codebreaker
OH BOY. I can`t wait for another 'nut' to join the US Senate. I`m just sorry there are only a 100 of them. Just think how many 'nuts' we could have in the public eye, if there say a 1000 Senators.
45 posted on 12/02/2001 9:51:05 AM PST by vladog
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To: Cuttnhorse
Garrison Keillor hates him, that makes Ventura ok in my book.

LOL!

I remember when Keillor used to do his radio show out of the (I can't remember the name!) theater in downtown St. Paul. There are times when I miss Minnesota (I left in '84).

46 posted on 12/02/2001 9:56:53 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: Theodore R.
"as does not make this egomaniac a conservative"

I, in no way form or fashion claimed Jesse was a conservative.

My point is: He would be better than Wellstone, almost anyone would be better than Wellstone.

You did get the "egomaniac" part correct though.

47 posted on 12/02/2001 10:00:34 AM PST by JZoback
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To: Jethro Tull
Jesse is good on the Second Amendment.

Maybe. While Jesse tries to talk a good game on the Second Amendment, he was very quick to back down when the liberals came after him on gun issues.

48 posted on 12/02/2001 11:49:42 AM PST by RJL
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To: codebreaker
Didn't Ventura drive out baseball and football ?
49 posted on 12/02/2001 11:52:12 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: RJL
Jessie's running would only be good if he ran as a Republican. We must take back the Senate.
50 posted on 12/02/2001 11:57:37 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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