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U.S. Missile Defense Test Succeeds After Two Delays
Reuters ^ | 12/3/01

Posted on 12/03/2001 9:49:33 PM PST by TD911

U.S. Missile Defense Test Succeeds After Two Delays

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States military on Monday successfully carried out a twice-delayed test shoot-down of a missile warhead over the Pacific Ocean, advancing missile defense plans opposed by Moscow and Beijing.

``The Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (BMDO) announced today (Monday) that it has successfully completed a test involving a planned intercept of an intercontinental ballistic missile target,'' the Defense Department said in a statement.

In the test, a ``kill vehicle'' projectile fired from Kwajalein Atoll in the Pacific intercepted and destroyed the dummy warhead launched on a Minuteman-2 from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California about 4,800 miles away.

The test was postponed on Saturday and Sunday nights because of bad weather.

The United States had failed in two of four previous attempts to shoot down ``a bullet with a bullet'' in space over the Pacific. Both Russia and China oppose U.S. plans to develop a missile shield, saying it would violate the 1972 anti-ballistic missile (ABM) treaty and could trigger a new arms race.

The test is part of the Bush administration's goal of building a limited shield to protect against ballistic missiles from ``rogue'' nations such as North Korea, Iran and Iraq.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: vandenbergafb
Let's Roll!!!!
1 posted on 12/03/2001 9:49:33 PM PST by TD911 (TD@td911.com)
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To: TD911
I don't get it. Sen. Leahy and Dodd said this would never work. Where they wrong?????????
2 posted on 12/03/2001 9:51:39 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke
I have noticed a lot of negativity about this test in this article. Rueters, as well as AP, seem to feel that they can weave opinion into informative articles. The next article on a delayed Space Shuttle launch will never contain so many references to delays and past failures.
3 posted on 12/03/2001 10:46:09 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: TD911
After this weekend's weather delay, this test is reported
to be a 'success'. Lets hope the N Koreans
agree not to attack during bad weather. Perhaps, if we
give them some rice, we could negotiate a treaty stipulating
when the US is allowed to be attacked.
4 posted on 12/03/2001 11:30:10 PM PST by greasepaint
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To: TD911
Sen. Biden is convening meetings to shift priorities in defense spending because he says missile defense would not have prevented the 9/11 attack.

I think he is exactly wrong. A retargeted missile defense could have been the very thing to shoot down errant airliners used as missiles to attack buildings. Scrambled jets were minutes away during the attacks according to NORAD; anti-missles could have been present sooner.

Missile defense needs funding and deployment. Of course better means like lasers are desirable too.

5 posted on 12/03/2001 11:35:32 PM PST by flamefront
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To: TD911
Getting rather sick of this skewed anti-defense media rhetoric also. Delay or not the test was a success and opens the door of plausibility and feasability.

The media is in serious need of a reality check and best know the U.S. will not sit idley, cower under the kitchen table, and suck our thumbs like they want us to.

If Reuters/AP continue to cover us with this goat-smelling pacifist's garbage in an effort to make us a target for 3rd world buzzards,then it's time to bring out the headsman's axe and roll some skulls.

An email complaint campaign is in order...enough of the slanted jibberish!
6 posted on 12/03/2001 11:46:18 PM PST by Rain-maker
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To: flamefront
As much stated here "The sleeping giant has awaken" and the liberals fear him as much as the terrorist.
In fact liberals and terrorist have at least one thing in common, they are both cowards.
7 posted on 12/03/2001 11:49:10 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: TD911
Computers are impossible, too.

Every time I use my laptop, I think that.

8 posted on 12/04/2001 12:00:05 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: greasepaint
So,you seem bitter about this success.Whats up?
9 posted on 12/04/2001 2:09:37 AM PST by John W
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To: Rain-maker
-Links for Missile Defense- Nuke News--

Communicate! Let the Sons of....

10 posted on 12/04/2001 2:21:43 AM PST by backhoe
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To: John W
I don't think greasepaint is upset about the success. He's thinking like I am. I would hope that some testing is being done in non perfect conditions, because we live in a non perfect world.
11 posted on 12/04/2001 3:06:21 AM PST by marvlus
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To: KantianBurke
It seems that Pete and Repeat (Dashael and Lahey) are against anything that is good for this country.
12 posted on 12/04/2001 3:19:08 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: TD911
Congratulations to the US Air Force, Boeing and all of the sub-contractors. Nice shot!
13 posted on 12/04/2001 3:24:08 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: marvlus
The weather delays were only so that all aspects of the test could be filmed. Obviously, the missles could care less. The ABM would be launced from a canister or silo, and accelerates so quickly that it's hardly affected by high winds or rain, and all of the action takes place miles above any weather.
14 posted on 12/04/2001 4:00:23 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: greasepaint
Lets hope the N Koreans agree not to attack during bad weather

The weather had no effect on the interceptor's ability to strike the warhead. They waited for clear weather so the could OBSERVE the test with telescopes and thus verifying a hit....

Mike

15 posted on 12/04/2001 4:19:07 AM PST by MichaelP
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To: KantianBurke
i don't get it. sen leahy and dodd said this would never work. what went wrong???

sens. leahy and dodd don't work.

16 posted on 12/04/2001 4:26:10 AM PST by mlocher
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To: marvlus
i would hope that some testing is done in non-perfect conditions.

it will be. first tests in just about anything is run to show the concept works. more development for imperfect conditions and error conditions remain, and then those are tested.

17 posted on 12/04/2001 4:29:35 AM PST by mlocher
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To: TD911
I hope this kill vehicle didn't require the "assistance" of a GPS locator signal emmitted from the target vehicle (like the last "successful"[?] test).
If it did, it is evident we are still a L O N G way from realizing any appreciable deterrent aspect from this program.
I think I'll remain "cautiously optimistic" of the system....
18 posted on 12/04/2001 4:32:47 AM PST by azhenfud
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To: TD911
To all the naysayers, HA HA! we told you so!! :-)
19 posted on 12/04/2001 4:38:02 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: TD911
It's a hit !!
20 posted on 12/04/2001 4:38:55 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: greasepaint
After this weekend's weather delay, this test is reported to be a 'success'. Lets hope the N Koreans agree not to attack during bad weather

Just so you are aware, the reason for postponement during bad weather is for instrumentation and publicity photographs, not because the system will not work. The intercept was in outer space, no weather there, and the missiles fly quickly through ground weather. Just so you know.

21 posted on 12/04/2001 4:57:36 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: TD911
All the liberals said this would never work. I think Tom "Puff" Dasshole said "this is the dumbest idea I have ever heard". Liberals have it all wrong and the reason they never get anything done is the constant I can't attitude. Just look at the majority of their voters.
22 posted on 12/04/2001 5:46:58 AM PST by NC Conservative
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To: KC_Conspirator
"I have noticed a lot of negativity about this test in this article."

They don't even try to hide it anymore. We get China's opinion, we get Russia's opinion, but the reporter didn't think to call anybody from the Bush administration to get their opinion on this whopping technical achievement. I'm surprised they didn't slip in an opinion by a former Clinton administration hack. I guess he had to save something for tomorrow's papers.

23 posted on 12/04/2001 5:55:20 AM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: KC_for_Freedom
"Just so you are aware, the reason for postponement during bad weather is for instrumentation and publicity photographs...

Huh? The instrumentation radars that record the details of the exo-atmospheric hit certainly will perform better when the weather's good, but I don't think publicity photos of a night launch in Kwaj would be a consideration. With the survival of the BMD program and a (well deserved) half billion dollar bonus on the line... getting a good photo for the press release was surely the last of among about 5000 things to be considered.

24 posted on 12/04/2001 6:01:33 AM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: TD911
Tsk tsk tsk! No thread about a successful test of missile defense would be complete without one of these:


25 posted on 12/04/2001 6:03:35 AM PST by krb
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To: greasepaint
Contrary to what you appear to expect, weapons systems, especially those which are complex and based on entirely new technology, do not come ready made off the shelf of your local Walmart. They take years of painstaking trial and error. During early stages the developers seek to eliminate all extraneous factors like weather so that they can get a valid test result on the basic concepts and technology of the system. They can worry about making it work in all weather conditions later.

During WWII, Von Braun and his team developing the V2 pulled together an edited film showing only their successful test launches (about ten percent or less of the total trials) for Hitler and the German General Staff. It was the only way they could expect to get continued funding. I suppose someone like you would have said the idea of an ICBM would never work since all of the early testing and development was so rarely successful. With your obvious grasp of science, technology, and weapons development you might just qualify for a seat on Congress.

26 posted on 12/04/2001 6:13:55 AM PST by katana
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To: TD911
My local Milwaukee paper cracked me up this morning. They just couldn't bring themselves to print the positive sounding headline, like the one above. So they ran it with something like.... "Object Hits Missle". Made it sound like the Challenger disaster or something...
27 posted on 12/04/2001 6:14:53 AM PST by Daus
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To: katana
IN Congress (from a Democrat district).
28 posted on 12/04/2001 6:16:30 AM PST by katana
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To: KantianBurke
I don't get it. Sen. Leahy and Dodd said this would never work. Where they wrong?????????

They were given the wrong documents to leak to NBC.

29 posted on 12/04/2001 6:19:41 AM PST by OrioleFan
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To: leadpenny; backhoe; goldilucky; KLT; ALOHA RONNIE
"Congratulations to the US Air Force, Boeing and all of the sub-contractors. Nice shot!"

Big Ditto here!

30 posted on 12/04/2001 6:38:43 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: greasepaint
Lets hope the N Koreans agree not to attack during bad weather.

Ever heard of the "Scientific Method?" One tenet is that you only change one variable at a time. The successive tests alter various control variables, and see if the theorized model matches the results. That's why you do tests.

If it had been bad weather, and "it didn't work" exactly what would you have learned??? Was it the weather, or the variables you had changed??? BTW, this IS rocket science, folks!!

31 posted on 12/04/2001 7:13:27 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: marvlus
The DoD probably will test undr adverse conditions, but not until they've had success under good conditions. Design it, test it. Redesign it, retest it. Redisign it, retest it,... until you get it ABSOLUTELY perfect or as close as possible. Then deploy it.
32 posted on 12/04/2001 7:18:40 AM PST by dixierat22
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To: NC Conservative
"I think Tom "Puff" Dasshole said "this is the dumbest idea I have ever heard". "

Has he never heard that he is Senate majority leader?
33 posted on 12/04/2001 7:39:09 AM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: TD911
Excellent. So, who thinks the military and defense contractors were sandbagging until X42 was out of office? If so, it was a smart move. Bubba would've given it away to the Chinese, too.
34 posted on 12/04/2001 7:55:20 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: TD911
The test was postponed on Saturday and Sunday nights because of bad weather.

The tests were postponed due to weather, but still the insidious headline implying some fundamental problem with the technology.

I know the system is expected to work in bad weather when complete, but it's only in the testing phase when engineers would expect ideal conditions.

35 posted on 12/04/2001 8:24:27 AM PST by Henk
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To: TD911
Star Wars my Arse! The old guy is looking increasingly intelligent the more time goes by!My niece lives in Kwajalein-I am getting ready to e-mail her to find out is she has any more info! Nice shot President Reagan! Congratulations!
36 posted on 12/04/2001 8:25:19 AM PST by irishlass
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To: TD911; Grampa Dave
I have family working on this!

Way to go NMD Team!!!

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37 posted on 12/04/2001 11:34:14 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: greasepaint
Before the inteceptor is all weather it needs to be tested under optimal conditions. We know certain parts of the system work therefor we can build up the other parts of the system. One does not do aerobatics on an airframe until it handles level flight.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

38 posted on 12/04/2001 11:35:31 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Congratulations to your family members and their team.

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39 posted on 12/04/2001 11:43:42 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: KC_Conspirator
Rueters, as well as AP, seem to feel that they can weave opinion into informative articles.

Yes, they do. They might as well say unnamed critic is on their own staff. They go out of their way to dig up these critics who have less to say with each test.

AP!! Read this!

The test and development of these systems is far more important than your unnamed critic. Report on the big news. Leave the whining to us.

40 posted on 12/04/2001 11:43:55 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: ChaseR
Big Ditto here!

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41 posted on 12/04/2001 11:50:42 AM PST by KLT
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To: KLT; backhoe; goldilucky
Big Bumparoo!
42 posted on 12/04/2001 12:08:57 PM PST by ChaseR
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To: KantianBurke
I don't get it. Sen. Leahy and Dodd said this would never work. Where're they wrong?????????

Just being alive!

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44 posted on 12/04/2001 6:53:12 PM PST by 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember
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To: TD911
http://www.smartertimes.com/, the people who raised $15 million to publish a paper (The New York Sun) early next year in competition with the New York Times, had this to say about the Time's coverage today of this SDI test:

A dispatch from Washington in the international section of today's New York Times begins, "A prototype antimissile weapon demolished a mock warhead tonight high above the Pacific Ocean in the second consecutive success for the Pentagon's costly missile defense program, military officials said."

The news article would be better if some editor had deleted the word "costly." The article eventually mentions that missile defense spending is now about $5.3 billion a year and that the Bush administration wants to increase that to $8.3 billion. Why not let the readers decide for themselves whether that is costly?

It's a matter of opinion, after all. While $5.3 billion is costly by the standard of an individual American household budget, it isn't really all that much for a federal program. And some would argue that it is cheap compared to the price of having an American city struck by a missile armed with a nuclear or chemical warhead.

The Times manages, elsewhere in today's newspaper, to write about "the Medicare program" and "Democrats demanding increased aid to the unemployed and low-income workers." The Times doesn't refer in those cases to "the costly Medicare program" or to Democrats demanding "costly increased aid to the unemployed and low-income workers."

Only the missile defense spending is tagged with the label "costly." That's a signal from the New York Times news department that missile defense is a bad idea and that spending on it should be opposed. There are plenty of readers who, no matter what their views on the merits of antimissile spending, would prefer that the Times news columns retained at least a pretense of neutrality on the issue.

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45 posted on 12/04/2001 7:05:55 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: KC_Conspirator
I have noticed a lot of negativity about this test in this article.

I agree, the article is very negative, even the headline. I believe that this is the second success in a ROW, but you won't see that in the Reuters article, eh? As far as the "delays", as pointed out by others here, the delay for weather was NOT because the missles couldn't operate in bad weather. It was for safety concerns for our observation planes, etc.

46 posted on 12/04/2001 7:24:29 PM PST by Enlightiator
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To: ChaseR
I think that is just GREAT!! No compromising with the enemy. We are being treated like stooges.
47 posted on 12/04/2001 9:33:49 PM PST by goldilucky
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