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Drug Legalization - Expensive and Deadly Lie
Washington Witness ^ | by Eric Lobsinger

Posted on 12/03/2001 11:53:17 PM PST by FF578

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To: AUgrad
CAPTION TO PHOTO.........

Hey, man.... Some guy told me that if we go with him, he’ll hide us out in a cave, man! Where he lives, dope is free and the chicks don’t talk back, man!


221 posted on 12/04/2001 12:26:55 PM PST by Fred25
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To: KC_Conspirator
So, since we want to avoid running down the socialist path to more subsidized rehab programs (because that is what will happen) then we are are totalitarians?

No, instead of fighting socialism, you and your type wish to use it as an excuse to stop your totalitarian actions. No one, ever, with your views, has proposed anything such as decriminalizing drugs and ending publically funded health care. Why not? Its a cop out. In one breath, you and your kind "oppose" socialism and trumpet "personal responsibility", and in the next breath, you seek to curtail personal rights due to the socialism you supposedly abhor. You also act as if you have a right to health care. You sound like Hillary.

That is childish and a leap of logic. Please go back to your freshmen dorm and study for bit.

Childish logic? A definition of "childish logic" would be when a poster such as yourself makes such a comment as you did to another poster who's profile page clearly states that he is a college graduate. But anyway, you didn't come here to discuss logic...

222 posted on 12/04/2001 12:27:16 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: KC_Conspirator
And drug legalization will solve the social problem of broken families, child abuse, and spousal abuse that is caused by drug abuse? That is the most absurd thing I have seen on this thread today. In fact, something like 90% of these cases are substance related.

No, it won't solve those problems but it will solve the problems created when we jail a large proportion of our society for non violent "crimes".

223 posted on 12/04/2001 12:27:52 PM PST by AUgrad
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To: GW in Ohio; bassmaner
You make a convincing argument. You almost have me convinced.

But I still have reservations about legalizing drugs

Yes the arguemnet of moral equivalency(i.e watching too much TV is the same as shooting up heroin) is very logical on paper, but it doesn't work in the real world, IMHO.

224 posted on 12/04/2001 12:28:23 PM PST by Dane
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To: AUgrad
Let me guess, smart consumers economists like you me know that your my tax money is not best spent subsidizing the prison-industrial complex your drug habits.

What the hell are they teaching you down in Alabama anyway?  Prison Industrial Complex?  Which liberal arts class did you pull that leftist jingosim out of?  Do tell me - do you have a "Mean People Suck" bumper sticker on the back of your Jeep?

225 posted on 12/04/2001 12:28:32 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: RLK
"People with functioning mentalities "

The liberals have taught you well. Resort to personal attacks when reason runs out.

226 posted on 12/04/2001 12:29:01 PM PST by michaelje
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To: Dane
LOL! You two are disproving the stereotype that females are the ones that gossip. Maybe Libertarian males are the worst offenders.(could be all the drugs) Oh well that doesn't really matter, I am getting great entertainment watching you two cackle.

Cool. I like reading your stuff too, Dane. If nothing else, you're consistently consistent.

Oh BTW, I am a male.

Based on your writing style, I would have thought so too, actually. Now back to the discussion at hand: you asked if the recreational use of MJ has ever helped anyone, and I sucked it up and told my tale. Now what was the point of your question?


227 posted on 12/04/2001 12:30:10 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: RLK
legalizing drugs will produce a nation of zombies...

that just about wraps it up. naturally, the democrats think of the tax implications to fund their social programs that now include drug rehab.

228 posted on 12/04/2001 12:31:23 PM PST by mlocher
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To: GW in Ohio
You make a convincing argument. You almost have me convinced.

But I still have reservations about legalizing drugs.

Wow -- I ALMOST convinced you? Cool. Thanks for the compliment!

I guess it'll take someone close to you getting BUSTED and put through the criminal-justice system wringer to make you realize the stupidity of JAILING people for their own self-injurious behavior.

229 posted on 12/04/2001 12:33:50 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: fod
CAPTION TO PHOTO........

”AAAGGGGGGGGG, MAN!!!! HEY, NORTHERN ALLIANCE, ZAP YOU, MAN!!! ZAP YOU AND YOUR CIA WOD PIGS, MAN”


230 posted on 12/04/2001 12:33:53 PM PST by Fred25
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To: KC_Conspirator
And drug legalization will solve the social problem of broken families, child abuse, and spousal abuse that is caused by drug abuse? That is the most absurd thing I have seen on this thread today.

Why does everyone except those who drool for a WOD understand that crack, heroine and meth are ILLEGAL, and this happens. The WOD has stopped no one who wants to take drugs from taking them. The only point of the poster is that we have "human misery" right now, and people are not "supposed" to even possess "drugs".

In fact, something like 90% of these cases are substance related.

I would agree, and the substance is LEGAL ALCOHOL!!!

231 posted on 12/04/2001 12:34:14 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: KC_Conspirator
What the hell are they teaching you down in Alabama anyway? Prison Industrial Complex? Which liberal arts class did you pull that leftist jingosim out of? Do tell me - do you have a "Mean People Suck" bumper sticker on the back of your Jeep

No, I have a Ron Paul for President sticker on my vehicle. Sounds like somebody has taught you a word or two "leftist jingoism?" I am ANYTHING but leftist.

232 posted on 12/04/2001 12:35:47 PM PST by AUgrad
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To: FreeTally
No, instead of fighting socialism, you and your type wish to use it as an excuse to stop your totalitarian actions. No one, ever, with your views, has proposed anything such as decriminalizing drugs and ending publically funded health care. Why not? Its a cop out. In one breath, you and your kind "oppose" socialism and trumpet "personal responsibility", and in the next breath, you seek to curtail personal rights due to the socialism you supposedly abhor. You also act as if you have a right to health care. You sound like Hillary.

Who said that I wanted publicly funded health care? Certainly not I. If you can find a quote supproting that within the almost 4 years I have been here at FR, please show me.

The reality is that some people believe (even though they are wrong) they do have a right to health care and those people have agents, like Ted Kennedy, in Washington. You should know (but then again...) that one of the basic tenets of government is that "If you subsidize something, then you get more of it".

I would have liked to start off on a good discussion, but you chose to sling insults since your arguments are so flimsy. Sorry, you had to do that, but maybe in the future we can have a grown up discussion.

233 posted on 12/04/2001 12:37:20 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: bassmaner
traditionally it is not society's (read government's) duty to put a stamp of approval on any personal behaviour

what you have said is correct. but remember, traditionally people went to church, had ethical values and communities self policed each other. as our moral fiber has eroded, more laws have been passed that protect us from each other, unfortunately. i wish this was not the case, but people being what they are, i am satisfied that there is a need for government laws to protect us from each other.

your comment on the income tax is right on. i had a relative that wrote and ammendment to repeal it ... irs got involved early and often...

234 posted on 12/04/2001 12:37:32 PM PST by mlocher
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To: KC_Conspirator
What the hell are they teaching you down in Alabama anyway?

Personal attack

Prison Industrial Complex? Which liberal arts class did you pull that leftist jingosim out of?

Another personal attack.

Do tell me - do you have a "Mean People Suck" bumper sticker on the back of your Jeep?

Yet another personal attack.

235 posted on 12/04/2001 12:37:53 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: Fred25
Fred ---

No, man, I'm Fred, come on, open the door, I got the stuff ---

Fred ---

Come on, man, the cops are outside --- open the door, man

Fred's not here ---

236 posted on 12/04/2001 12:38:15 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: ravinson
The "war" doesn't have to end. The CSA of 1970 leaves all the tools necessary for the people of America to legalize drugs. Controlled substances can be removed from the "schedules" as provided by law. And it is done by the Executive Branch, so all the people have to do is elect a President who shares their views. And there are different schedules, with different levels of control, giving people flexibility. So there it is.

I realize this sets aside the philospohical arguments about rights, the Constitution, etc. Practically, if the people want to end the "war", they can. Some states have passed initiatives for medical marijuana. Problem is, that would be illegal. What they need to do is promote a candidate for President, or at least form a special interest lobby, that will change the status of marijuana from Schedule 1 to a less restrictive schedule. Maybe the Governor's Association could take it up en masse, if enough of them agreed. All that would be perfectly legal, and perfectly Republican. The fact that it hasn't happened, IMO, speaks to the fact that not many people care enough about the issue, and that not many people take the time to understand how our government works.

237 posted on 12/04/2001 12:38:48 PM PST by Huck
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To: mlocher
i am satisfied that there is a need for government laws to protect us from each other.

From "each other", not "ourselves". That's where the War on Drugs is wrong and unconstitutional.

238 posted on 12/04/2001 12:40:18 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: FF578
Where's the sources for this guy's facts? What about the costs of the so-called, "War on Drugs." The costs to keep it rolling, the costs of prisons, the costs of losing your liberty to carry cash in a free society, the cost of "rehabillitation" that we will pay whether or not they are legalized? What about the abuse of governmental powers we, the people, of the United States has granted them in the past to fight the "war." I don't believe his statistics because I know for sure that the majority of robberies and burglaries I have know of were done to get money for drugs because they are so astronomically high priced. I think that we should try people for the crimes they commit against others, not against themselves.
239 posted on 12/04/2001 12:40:55 PM PST by rodeocowboy
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To: KC_Conspirator
I would have liked to start off on a good discussion, but you chose to sling insults since your arguments are so flimsy. Sorry, you had to do that, but maybe in the future we can have a grown up discussion.

LOL!!! I chose to sling insults??? Didn't you just get through asking AUgrad, "What the hell do they teach you down there in Alabama" and "Do you have a 'mean people suck' bumper stikcer on your car'"????

And a "grown up discussion"??? You can never have a "grown up discussion" with someone who wants to yell, "Mommy, mommy, stop that man from smoking marijuana".

240 posted on 12/04/2001 12:41:29 PM PST by FreeTally
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