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Drug Legalization - Expensive and Deadly Lie
Washington Witness ^ | by Eric Lobsinger

Posted on 12/03/2001 11:53:17 PM PST by FF578

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To: FreeTally
What the hell are they teaching you down in Alabama anyway? Personal attack Prison Industrial Complex? Which liberal arts class did you pull that leftist jingosim out of?

Another personal attack.

Do tell me - do you have a "Mean People Suck" bumper sticker on the back of your Jeep?

Yet another personal attack.

Don't give him too hard a time, he may take his computer and go home.

241 posted on 12/04/2001 12:43:16 PM PST by AUgrad
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To: GW in Ohio
I have some reservations about legalizing some of the currently prohibitied substances, and I am in the anti-prohibition camp. It isn't that drugs aren't expensive or deadly, rather for one are drugs more expensive and more deadly than the policies put in place to eliminate them, two what cost to traditional rights such as expectations of privacy and property must we sacrifice to see prohibition succeed, and three will drug prohibition ultimately succeed?
242 posted on 12/04/2001 12:43:28 PM PST by Liberal Classic
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To: Un-PC
if somebody wants to screw up his life with drugs, that is his business

i am sorry that you would let a good friend screw up his life with drugs and not get involved in saving that person's life.

there are two problems with your argument: first, the person who screws up his life will become another government dependent. secondly, before he has screwed up his life, he has the potential to screw up someone else's life while he is high on drugs. lawyers making poor decisions, doctors who accidently slice an artery, rail switch operators who cannot keep track of what direction the trains are going on any one track.

it is people that want freedom, but who do not want the responsibility that comes with their freedom that are a bane to society.

243 posted on 12/04/2001 12:44:58 PM PST by mlocher
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To: AUgrad
Personal attacks are the first refuge of lost argument. (or a weak mind)
244 posted on 12/04/2001 12:45:35 PM PST by AUgrad
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To: Rodney King
There are a lot of good arguments that can be made against legalizing drugs.

And those would be?

245 posted on 12/04/2001 12:45:47 PM PST by Whilom
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To: Huck
Some states have passed initiatives for medical marijuana. Problem is, that would be illegal.

What the DEA did in California on October 22nd is unconstitutional -- the 9th and 10th Amendments were thrown out the window when the medi-pot clinics were raided.

What they need to do is promote a candidate for President, or at least form a special interest lobby, that will change the status of marijuana from Schedule 1 to a less restrictive schedule.

Two things:

1. GWB claimed during the 2000 election that he would respect state's rights regarding medical marijuana. On October 22nd, he broke that promise.

2. The DEA has over the years commissioned studies on rescheduling marijuana. Every time, the studies came back in favor of rescheduling. Every time they were ignored.

246 posted on 12/04/2001 12:46:53 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: Huck
The "war" doesn't have to end. The CSA of 1970 leaves all the tools necessary for the people of America to legalize drugs. Controlled substances can be removed from the "schedules" as provided by law. And it is done by the Executive Branch, so all the people have to do is elect a President who shares their views. And there are different schedules, with different levels of control, giving people flexibility. So there it is.

This has been discussed time and time again. "The people" can not change drug policy. Those in charge are APPOINTED. No one who runs for government office is going to end government control. Its just that simple, and you know it.

Practically, if the people want to end the "war", they can. Some states have passed initiatives for medical marijuana. Problem is, that would be illegal

You just contradicted yourself. If the feds still deem "drugs" illegal, then "the people"(who are the States) cant change anything. Where did the Constitution give the Feds the power to dictate drug policy to the States? It didn't, and you know it.

It is already common knowledge that the basis of the 1970 CSA is fraudulent. The entire basis for drug prohibition is fraudulent. How do you expect a government who still recognizes fraudulent laws and rational to change anything. The "average person" can not even hope to be appointed to a position that could change things. The "people can end the WOD" arguments is the most flimsy argument around. The government will not give up control without a war.

247 posted on 12/04/2001 12:49:22 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: bassmaner
from each other, not ourselves

i understand your point. but when a person goes to work high, he is putting people at risk. doctors, lawyers, airline pilots, etc. can kill people with poor judgment. in addition, the corruption that follows a drug trail is bad for society.

people often times cite amsterdam as a place where drugs have been successfully decriminalized. i have been there and am disgusted by parts of the city. further, knight hawk, a freeper, has said that the drug problem has caused amsterdam to now be the murder capital of western europe, surpassing london. this from the very non-violent hollanders!

248 posted on 12/04/2001 12:49:41 PM PST by mlocher
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To: FF578
There are certain drugs out there I want to see gone. Like ecstacy (Did I spell that right?). I have some friends who are hard core druggies and they wouldn't even touch it. It's depletes the seratonin (Again, did I spell that right?)levels in the brain, eventually leading someone to become an emotionless droid.
249 posted on 12/04/2001 12:52:09 PM PST by Angry Republican
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To: mlocher
it is people that want freedom, but who do not want the responsibility that comes with their freedom that are a bane to society.

That is the libertarian message, in a nutshell. Without responsibility, there can be no liberty. Without liberty, there can be no morality. It's that second statement that drug warriors have such a hard time with.

250 posted on 12/04/2001 12:52:29 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: bassmaner; GW in Ohio
That is the libertarian message, in a nutshell. Without responsibility, there can be no liberty Without liberty, there can be no morality. It's that second statement that drug warriors have such a hard time with.

Soory bass, but you you and the Libertarians have the message backwards. Below is the message that works.

Without morality, there can be no liberty. Without liberty, there can be no responsiblity.

Your above italicized message in the first paragaraph is anarchy.

251 posted on 12/04/2001 1:00:19 PM PST by Dane
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To: THEUPMAN
Why did the U.S. government maintain STOCKPILES of cocaine under the world trade center? (worth FAR FAR more then it's weight in gold) Why were these highly dangerous narcotics not destroyed?

Follow the money.

252 posted on 12/04/2001 1:03:23 PM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: mlocher
i>i understand your point. but when a person goes to work high, he is putting people at risk. doctors, lawyers, airline pilots, etc. can kill people with poor judgment.

The same problems are noted with that legal drug, alcohol. And employers have every right to ban use of mind-altering substances while employees are on the job. That has nothing to do with prohibition, and everything to do with an employer's discretion on who gets hired and fired.

in addition, the corruption that follows a drug trail is bad for society.

"Bad for society" ONLY because of the legal status. My guess is that the CEO's of Anheuser-Busch and Seagram's are probably not sociopaths, because they run businesses that operate within the framework of the law. Drug kingpins, however, succeed only through utter ruthlessness, as there are no laws to serve as a framework for their "commerce".

people often times cite amsterdam as a place where drugs have been successfully decriminalized. i have been there and am disgusted by parts of the city. further, knight hawk, a freeper, has said that the drug problem has caused amsterdam to now be the murder capital of western europe, surpassing london. this from the very non-violent hollanders!

Don't know much about Amsterdam - never been there - but I am aware that Holland is a bloated welfare state that has other problems besides drugs. And remember, drugs are not LEGAL there; only possession has been decriminalized. The drug TRADE is still illegal, with all the violence associated with the black market.

253 posted on 12/04/2001 1:07:39 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: Dane
Without morality, there can be no liberty. Without liberty, there can be no responsiblity.

In our world, that means morality is whatever the government says it means. That, my friend, is the essence of totalitarianism.

Your above italicized message in the first paragaraph is anarchy.

No, it's freedom, just as the Founding Fathers intended.

254 posted on 12/04/2001 1:11:08 PM PST by bassmaner
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To: Wolfie
The author would do better to consider how the U.S. is going to do business in a world where the rest of the industrialized nations have abandoned the Drug War model.

Sad days lie ahead for the drug warriors. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, makes money like illicit drugs.

255 posted on 12/04/2001 1:12:27 PM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: FF578
No one is completely sheltered from the violence, destruction, and costs that arise as a result of drugs.

The article starts off with a false premise. That sentence should read:

No one is completely sheltered from the violence, destruction, and costs that arise as a result the illegalization of drugs.

If drugs were legal there would be very little violence, destruction or costs arising.

257 posted on 12/04/2001 1:17:55 PM PST by pcl
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To: bassmaner
No. He has no clue what he is talking about. He's just regurgitating McCaffrey's lies.

Click here.

Or here.

Or here.

Or here.

Or here.

I think you get the idea.

258 posted on 12/04/2001 1:19:10 PM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: aruanan
Remember, when you base your actions on what you "imagine" will happen, you're putting yourself on the same intellectual level of John Lennon.

He's not the only one. ;)

259 posted on 12/04/2001 1:19:29 PM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: Fred25
Let's Make a Dope Deal!

Behind Door #1: 20 lbs of Afghani hash

Behind Door #2: 200 reds

Come on, take the reds, man!

Behind Door #3 are Narcs -- Officer Fred25 and Officer Kevin Curry ---> YOU'RE BUSTED!!

260 posted on 12/04/2001 1:19:33 PM PST by bassmaner
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