Ashcroft Wants National Guard on Canadian Border

http://www.foxnews.com ^ | Monday, December 03, 2001 | fox news

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

WASHINGTON — Hundreds of National Guard members have been requested to beef up security along the U.S.-Canadian border and to relieve Immigration and Naturalization Service workers who need to return to their regular duties, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Sunday.

Ashcroft wants the National Guard members to assist with inspections at the crossings and military helicopters to patrol the border.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Good job, John. Nice to send a message to those spineless Canadian beauracrats that refuse to cross the PC picket lines and keep those terror suspects in jail, tighten their porous borders, etc.

[carenot]

I do not trust Ashcroft.

[backhoe]

That is just what I was thinking.....

[willyone]

If they were serious then the Mexican border would also be beefed up. There are sections of the Arizona and Ca. borders where farmers and ranchers are having their places wrecked. Their land has become a footpath for hundreds of illegals a week. That and the harassment from the Border Patrol whose members seem to think that the resident citizens are the problem not the illegals. What doe's it take for this nation to wake up.

[goodnesswins]

And, WHICH border did MOST of the hijackers come through?

[invoman]

Let's see...We used to use red cones at night at border crossings here in North Dakota....and the border outside of the crossings aren't even posted. There isn't even a fence that I'm aware of. People can use snowmobiles or even WALK across in certain area in North Dakota.

THe border patrol has got some work to do.

For a REAL scary map...look at the map of the Lake of the Woods in Minnesota. It will be iced over pretty soon...which means about the middle of January, you can DRIVE across the ice from Canada to the US. That's right...drive across the ice, without any border patrol...at night and right into the USA.

Oh, boy...we've got problems..and they had better get on them quick!

[rintense]

This is a step in the right direction. We need an increased MILITARY presence at both borders.

[xm177e2]

Ashcroft Wants National Guard on Canadian Border

Fear the "Colossus of the North!"

[JoeSchem]

I hate going to a fast food drive-thru and hearing the guy say, "Would you like fries with that, eh?"

[abclily]

Ashcroft is an honorable man.

[Howlin]

I do not trust Ashcroft.

Doesn't matter; I trust him enough for both of us.

[The Real Deal]

I'm wondering just what we are going to do about THE MEXICAN BORDER, Mr. Ashcroft.

[Texaggie79]

I must say, if I were a foreign bad man with bad intentions and wished to get into America, I would think that I had better chances going through Canada than Mexico.

[The KG9 Kid]

True story:

I knew a guy that had a relative in Canada who owned a heap of firearms. When my friend's relative died, he willed all the guns to him. There were a LOT of guns.

My pal threw them in the back of his truck and attempted to drive across the border, thinking that the Mounties (or whoever) at the border were more interested in guns coming INTO Canada, and would be happy about guns LEAVING Canada. Sure enough, he was stopped and the Canadians found the guns. They told him that he had to either surrender them or turn around. He turned around.

My pal parked at a restaraunt parking lot near the border and got out his map. He found a big lake (I don't know where it is) about two hours away that had one shore on the Canadian side, and another on the US side. He drove there, rented a tiny fishing boat, threw all the guns in there, and putted away towards the American side. When he got there (an hour boat trip as he tells it), he dragged the guns out, found a hiding spot under a tree, and stashed the guns there covered with branches and leaves.

Returned back to the Canadian side in the boat and picked up his car. Drove back across the US/Canadian border without the guns.

On the US side, he drove to the lake and found his hiding spot. Picked up the guns, threw them back in the truck, and drove home.

My suggestion is that if Ashcroft is going to put Feds on the Canadian border, he should make sure they've got boats on the lakes that our countries share.

(In case anyone is interested, I suffer from amnesia after getting hit on the head by a falling pine cone some years back. I can't remember my friend, or what he looks like. We haven't been in contact in years.)

[BluH2o]

About 500 U.S. agents man the U.S.-Canadian border, compared with 9,000 on the Mexican border, which is about half the size, Ashcroft said.

The Canadian - U.S. border extends over 3000 miles ... the longest undefended border in the world. Reading thru a few of the posts leads me to believe some FReepers are of the opinion Canadians are massing at the border ... hardly able to control their compulsion to immigrate to the U.S., legally or otherwise. Fact is, the vast majority of Canadians are proud to be Canadians ... respect Americans ... but feel their quality of life is just fine ... thank you very much!
Speaking as a former Canadian, now a U.S. citizen, and a former Marine, I might add ... most Canadians I know personally can't understand why I chose the U.S. over Canada ... that's material for another post. ;)

[freeasinbeer]

That would have been the US border via planes from overseas.

[F16Fighter]

...About 500 agents man the U.S.-Canadian border [4,000 miles], with 9,000 on the Mexican border [2,000 miles], which is about half the size....

Some quick math gives us (1) agent per (8) miles guarding Canada; (9) agents per (2) miles guarding Mexico.

And who are these 9,000 lined up at the Mexican border? A bunch of Ray Charles clones??

[eno_]

You are right. We are not serious. If we were, we could seal our borders pretty well. Sensor technology has gotten pretty good. Keep the pressure up.

[Cleburne]

So are they all, all honorable men.

[crystalk]

A rather invidious statement there...the Canadian border may be very long, but mostly runs through wastelands and wilderness, with many little roads crossing that hardly would have a few vehicles a day in a busy season...and further is frozen solid half the year.

The Mexican border is statistically shorter in length, but has far more population and centers near it, and often runs through densely populated areas such as Tijuana or El Paso...and even when it IS in remoter desert areas, most of the year temperatures and conditions favor travel quite comfortably...

The most important fact is that, surely, Mexico must have 3 to 4 times the population of Canada...

[doc]

These a++holes don't want to touch the real border that is the problem, MEXICO!

[cayman99]

carenot.....I'm with you,Ashcroft is making me nervous. He once was a bible thumper,now he keeps finding new ways to assault the Bill of Rights.....gleefully

[UnBlinkingEye]

I thought Reno was the worst AG in history, now Ashcroft seems to one up it(her/him/yech) every day, God help us all...

If the Clinton administration attacked the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the same manner what would you all say?

[mxbluto]

Wouldn't want those still approximately 83% anglo cannucks running down here en masse, now would we?

Maybe in 1963, things have changed alot here. And by the way, for another poster, ALL of the terrorists came through the US border.

[Z-28]

Wrong border, Ashcroft. Go south.

[F16Fighter]

And "sensors" don't "look the other way" for a bottle of tequilla.

[Z-28]

Evading the U.S. Selective Service System: All male U.S. citizens, and all male illegal alien non-citizens upon entry into the United States, who are 18 through 25 must register with the Selective Service System (draft board). If you do not register, you can be prosecuted for a felony and fined up to $250,000 and/or be put in jail for up to five years and/or deported. The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (I&NS) makes registration with the Selective Service a condition for U.S. citizenship if you first arrived in the U.S. before your 26th birthday. See the Selective Service System chart of all males who must register.

13 million illegal aliens: A recent study at Northeastern University in Boston by researchers Andrew Sum, Neeta Fogg, and Paul Harrington concludes as many as 13 million illegal aliens may reside in the United States. This is comparable in size to the combined populations of the following 13 states and the District of Columbia (in alphabetical order): Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia; total population of 12,588,161 in the 2000 census. See itemized listing. The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service says about 40% of the illegal aliens are in California. The 2000 census counted about 8 million undocumented illegal aliens in the United States, and expert demographers admit it may have missed some.

[Rightwing Canuck]

Sounds good.

Calling all Canadian FR operatives - call off all Operation Frisky Beaver excursions into U.S. Yanks are getting suspicious.

For now...

[F16Fighter]

"If the Clinton administration attacked the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the same matter what would you all say?"

I'd say Bubba had a veeeery dark and insidious MO if HE were doing it.

I for one am not quite that paranoid with Ashcroft and Bush pushing the envelope a little in leiu of the events.

[anniegetyourgun]

#25 - careful, your Christophobia is showing.

[anniegetyourgun]

Except, of course, for the Muslims who came over the Canadian border here in WA state last year about this time.

[Redbob45]

Wonder how many remember a few years back when the Canucks had THEIR military patrolling the border?
Specifically, the south end (their end) of the Ambassador Bridge, right across the river from Detroit, in the summer of '67.

Seriously though, I've always thought we should we should patrol our border with Canada with a group of people at least as rude, insulting, obnoxious, and ignorant as the folks that Canada has manning their customs booths.

[anniegetyourgun]

You may recall - the ones with plans and bombs?

[UnBlinkingEye]

I for one am not quite that paranoid with Ashcroft and Bush pushing the envelope a little in leiu of the events.

They're not just pushing the envelope, they are tearing up the Bill of Rights. Tell me when do you think this "War on Terrorism' will end? Our political class is insatiable when it comes to power and regulation we need to stop them now.

[Black Powder]

And, WHICH border did MOST of the hijackers come through?

None of the hijackers came through the Canadian-US border.

None.

[invoman]

frozen solid half the year?

You've got to be kidding. Our first snow was only a couple of weeks ago, and it's totally melted by the middle of march. Now that's JUST snow. Almost ANY road is passable with a 4X4...ANY time of year.

Frozen solid? Not even close.

[F16Fighter]

Sorry, I can't agree with your assessment that the Bill of Rights is being "torn up."

Some liberties are being temporarily curtailed -- THAT I understand.

Are YOU personally affected yet, or assume to be?

[Lady In Blue]

I guess a few on this thread haven't heard that AG Ashcroft is planning,along with Mexico,to share responsibility of securing our common border.I heard this info on George Putnam's program Monday or Tuesday.The full details of the plan have not been released.Putnam seemed pleased,said that it was better and a step in the right direction.

[F16Fighter]

"None."

Yeah, none that you know of. And IF one were a terrorist, where do you think you'd find the easiest point of entry for future "invasion"? The Canadian government's not exactly clamping down on Islamic activity and movements.

[weikel]

Both borders need to be sealed.

[junta]

bump

[Grut]

The Guard and Reserve have day jobs they need to get back to. If we're going to use the military more on a long-term basis, we're going to have to expand it, not exploit the Guard and Reserve as 'temps'.

[Black Powder]

Yeah, none that you know of.

I believe the question related to the 9-11 hijackers, not whatever terrorists you imagine there to be, lurking across the border, waiting to invade the US.

And IF one were a terrorist, where do you think you'd find the easiest point of entry for future "invasion"?

A direct flight from almost any part of the world straight into the US, which is the route most of the 9-11 hijackers took.

The Canadian government's not exactly clamping down on Islamic activity and movements.

How would you know? You've obviously made up your mind as to where terrorists originate, so I don't think you've bothered to keep up with anything happening in Canada.

[timestax]

I'm just curious, how are the National Guards fed when they are deployed in public places. Do they get free Big Macs??Anybody know!!