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To: philamom
I can't help wondering if trying to persuade a non-Catholic of the evils of contraception is a little bit like a Jewish person trying to convince me not to eat bacon. I guess what I'm wondering is does an anti-contraception crusade deserve the same passion as an argument about the Divine Presence, the Immaculate Conception, the virginity of Mary, the intercession of saints or any of the other things which make us Catholics Catholic? (I'm asking in all sincerity).
Its very much a little like that, at least in the difficulty of it. Its interesting. Many Christians will state quite clearly that they are open to God’s will totally, they will do whatever He wants. They will then agree that a baby can’t just happen, it has to be God’s will. The next step is the hard one. Actually totally surrendering to that will.

Should you try to persuade a non-Catholic of this? I think trying to just state that contraception is evil gets you no where. Explaining how being totally open to life is a total surrender to God gains great ground. It often makes conversions, in my limited experience. There are those who cannot recognize the Real Presence or Mary, but who at the same time cannot hold a baby without recognizing the truth present in that fragile life, clinging to you for support. Sometimes, through a deep consideration of the issue, they start to wonder if we are right about this issue, and then they can’t help but look around and wonder why we stayed firm when everyone else crumbled on it.

There isn’t a clear answer to if this is worth arguing. It really depends on the person, some are receptive to it and some aren’t. I wouldn’t spend as much time on this as I would on other issues, but it can and does bear fruit at times.

I do have one final question which I also ask in complete sincerity. Are sexual acts which do not allow for pregnancy considered sinful? (If you can't figure out what I'm talking about, ask Bill Clinton).
Presuming that they are inside of marriage some are and some are not. An infertile couple can and probably should have relations, I would think, in a normal relationship. Similarly, sexual acts during an infertile period are fine. At the same time, acts done specifically to avoid pregnancy, such as only having oral sex during fertile periods, probably place one in opposition to God’s will, and I think are wrong due to the mindset, if nothing else.

As to oral sex in general, I don’t have an entirely clear answer. The Catechism doesn’t address the issue and I’m not aware of any formal teachings on it, though there may well be some. I think traditionally most priests counsel against it, at least if it is the finishing act, if that is all there is, because it is clearly not an act that is open to life. I would ordinarily think that oral sex as a part of foreplay would be fine. To be honest, if you have a spiritual adviser or a priest you trust this is something I would discuss with them, as it is outside anything I consider myself theologically competent on.

patent  +AMDG

46 posted on 12/07/2001 9:52:07 AM PST by patent
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To: patent
There isn’t a clear answer to if this is worth arguing. It really depends on the person, some are receptive to it and some aren’t. I wouldn’t spend as much time on this as I would on other issues, but it can and does bear fruit at times.

Thanks for clarifying.

To be honest, if you have a spiritual adviser or a priest you trust this is something I would discuss with them, as it is outside anything I consider myself theologically competent on.

You're clearly well versed in the Faith, and I just wanted to have your take on the whole thing. Your answer was what I'd thought it would be, but I was curious to see if you knew of some writing that we'd overlooked. (And the devil in me wanted to see if you'd maintain consistency). Of course you did. Thanks for your honest reply.

AMDG

50 posted on 12/07/2001 10:45:40 AM PST by philamom
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