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Sons of Liberty: Hero Mike Spann and traitor John Walker came from different Americas.
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Posted on 12/06/2001 8:23:54 PM PST by Pokey78
Edited on 04/23/2004 12:03:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
In all worlds but the liberal one, adult choices have adult consequences.
An American Talib from Marin County? Named for John Lennon; the son of a Catholic father and a mother who embraced Buddhism; a graduate of an alternative high school who converted to Islam after reading "The Autobiography of Malcolm X"?
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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; lindh; nro; spann
posted on 12/06/2001 8:23:54 PM PST
To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; LarryLied; kattracks; JohnHuang2...
I'm pinging the list on this one!
posted on 12/06/2001 8:25:12 PM PST
I take off to one of those people, and to the other - Bye Bye Sonovabitch.
I think it's obvious who is deserving of each honor.
There's something cosmically wrong when Spann died and Walker lived.
Good find, Pokey. I hadn't thought of that angle, one man thinking of America, the other only of himself.
posted on 12/06/2001 8:32:13 PM PST
by Utah Girl
Remember right after the election how we all talked about the differences between the red zone and the blue zones? This is a prime example. Mike was the product of the red zone and John Walker is the product of the blue zone.
Two different Americas. Hopefully, most of the people in the blue zone woke up on 9-11, watching Walkers father and mother lets us know that not everyone did.
Great Article - I especially loved this quote:
"Isn't it ironic that the same folks who argue that a 13-year-old girl is perfectly capable of making her own decisions about sex now tell us that a 20-year-old man is incapable of distinguishing between, say, Taliban theocracy and American democracy?"
God Bless our patriots in the Armed Services!
posted on 12/06/2001 8:39:59 PM PST
Two different Americas.
How about we smear the American haters as being members of "The John Walker Society"?
(Hey...might be good to set up a website just for him..on the lines of the easily demonized John Birch Society)
Just goes to show you that Southern men of Anglo-Celtic desent are the whipping boys of the USA until there is a war to be fought. One of these days our loyalty is going to cease if things keep going like they are right now.
posted on 12/06/2001 8:56:42 PM PST
And this father of three became the first U.S. combat fatality when, as the BBC reported, he was "kicked, beaten and bitten to death" by the rioting prisoners
"Islam means peace" NOOOOOOOOO they are animals that need to be put out of their misery..send them back to allah!
The author is correct..we speak out of both sides of our mouths on the ability to choose..Walker is an adult that made a choice, he did not want to be a US citizen..I wonder if they took pictures of the bites on that American hero..because I would not be surprised if some of them matched the traitor's dental records!
posted on 12/06/2001 8:59:30 PM PST
There's nothing I can add to this, except perhaps to say I'd love the opportunity to spend a little quality time alone with John Walker.
posted on 12/06/2001 9:03:20 PM PST
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To: Mossy Thunder
My guess is neithor will happen...my choice would be death..
posted on 12/06/2001 9:20:51 PM PST
Today Andrew Sullivan called Walker a "red-diaper baby." He didn't explain the remark explicitly, but it seems to imply that Sullivan has heard that Walker's parents aren't just "liberal," as the Journal refers to them above, but members of the hard Left.
Anyway in coming weeks we will learn much more about the Walkers. Over and above the fate of John Walker himself, let's hope the whole episode becomes an excruciating embarrassment for the Left.
posted on 12/06/2001 10:13:48 PM PST
To: Pokey78; one_particular_harbour; dakine; NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
Thanks for the flag, Pokey. This is a great piece.
I'm sure the REST of the story will include things like...the dirt-bag walker STARTED the riot/pummeling death of Spann. That the bite marks DO match walker's dental records, PLUS had evidence of frothy slobber of the rabid animal.
I remember Bush saying that he will smoke out terrorists and those who support them. Too bad that doesn't apply to the ones who are in this country, and the parents who buy lawyers for their 'good boys'. Too bad Bush doesn't forbid traitors from stepping on American soil again.
I've been telling my liberal friends that the story of John Walker is the ultimate condemnation of the liberal "try everything" upbringing that his hippie parents subjected him to.
To: Mossy Thunder
Death or life imprisonment for taliban Walker?
Death or stripping his American citizenship from him ... and him never being able to set foot here again.
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To: Dan from Michigan
The Traitor was from California, the San Francisco Bay area, it's my guess that he heated America LONG before he ever went to fight for the Taliban.
The Wall Street Journal nails it again. Thanks for the ping.
posted on 12/07/2001 5:53:58 AM PST
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To: Mossy Thunder
Death or life imprisonment
Really, either way he dies. I personally do not support the Death penalty, so I say give him life in prinson. I'm the sure the "protective" custody that he'd need to be in to prevent another inmate from killing him would make for a long, lonely, and miserable life.
Named for John Lennon; the son of a Catholic father and a mother who embraced Buddhism;
The father fell short on his his duties in teaching his son the catechism of the Catholic church, and Christianity in general. And I don't believe the mother's lame eczuse about explaining Bhuddism to him. This person was clearly seeking a spiritual path, and there was no one there to guide him or form his conscience.
If John Walker would of had parents that took the time to instill the Christian philosphy based on love of God and love of Neighbor this probably wouldn't have happened.
The parents are as culpable as he is.
posted on 12/07/2001 5:57:56 AM PST
Oh he was just confused, that idealistic California boy (sarcasm).
posted on 12/07/2001 6:00:42 AM PST
Thanks for the flag. This is right on the money.
Too bad Bush doesn't forbid traitors from stepping on American soil again.
Not good politics ya know???
posted on 12/07/2001 8:11:34 AM PST
A moving tribute to a genuine American hero, Mike Spann.
We owe him so much. Prayers being said for him and his grieving family.
God bless you, Mike Spann. Rest in peace.
posted on 12/07/2001 8:26:47 AM PST
Pokey, thanks for the ping!
I think John Walker needs to be the new "Man Without a Country".....or else dead.
posted on 12/07/2001 1:56:27 PM PST
"If John Walker would of had parents that took the time"... notice how HARD the news outlets are trying to BLAME the loopy SF parents: the lapsed(cradle)catholic DAD & not-so-together buddhist mom.But for once, maybe they have a POINT? This schmuck grew up without any kind of moral direction whatsoever. He was gonna have to fill up that aching hole somehow or other, right? Damn, this is a tough one. But he was TWENTY. He chose to go with the side that butchers infants& toddlers for SPORT. So, yeah. Bring on the guillotine.He knew then (9/11) and knows now what he's doing.
posted on 12/07/2001 3:36:19 PM PST
"We want to give him a big hug," he told Larry King. "I also want to give him a--maybe a little kick in the butt for not telling me what he was up to."
This line infuriates me. His father should be begging for his son's life (or telling us to hang the rat), not telling us what a swell kid he has.
posted on 12/07/2001 3:39:43 PM PST
Where did I say he wasn't guilty? I say hang him for treason. But if you watched that tape of him in that prison you can clearly see he was in need of spiritual guidance. I was making the obersvation that he had lousy parents who shared in the blame.
posted on 12/07/2001 4:20:58 PM PST
Thanks for the ping. Would've missed it otherwise.
BTW, this article is dead-nuts on.
Thanks for the ping....excellent article.....BUMP
Two Americas....one red; one blue; one good; one evil; one conservative; one liberal....and we see the results....Patriot Michael Spann and Traitor John Walker.
posted on 12/09/2001 3:57:17 PM PST
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