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AMA Votes Against Abortion Disclosure
CNSNews.com ^ | 12/07/01 | Christine Hall

Posted on 12/07/2001 1:53:55 AM PST by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - The American Medical Association this week voted overwhelmingly against a proposal to inform women about the potential for birth control pills to cause the abortion of a fertilized egg.

"If [pro-life women] are using a method that can operate after fertilization as well as before fertilization, and they don't know it, they are basically being deceived by lack of information into violating their own consciences," said Walter Weber, senior litigation counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, a Virginia-based public interest law firm.

Weber criticized the AMA for voting against a proposal during its annual meeting that would have urged physicians to inform women about that possibility. He believes some AMA members opposed the measure because they are, to varying degrees, pro-abortion, while others were simply skeptical and perhaps uninformed about the issue.

"The strongest argument against [the proposal] is to say that the evidence is unclear to what extent, if at all, certain methods of birth control can operate as abortifacients," a substance or device used to induce abortion, said Weber.

"That's legitimate medical research, scientific debate," said Weber. "The question comes down to whether we want to let women know about it, so they can decide whether it's important or not."

The AMA has strong policies on informed consent, giving patients information about the risks associated with medical procedures and drugs, Weber noted. "So it would have been very consistent with that to adopt this policy.

"For them to reject this is really for them to say that, 'we're going to make an exception for abortifacients, we think patients have the right to know about procedures in general but not when it comes to abortions, at least in the early stages of pregnancy,'" Weber alleged.

According to some sources, common birth control devices and pills -- like estrogen/ progestin birth control bills, Intra-uterine Devices (IUDs), Norplant, and Depo-Provera - can cause the abortion of fertilized eggs. Some suggest that these methods may not only work by preventing contraception but, sometimes, by preventing the implantation of an egg that's been fertilized, effectively killing it.

Dr. John C. Nelson, a member of the AMA's executive committee and a self-described conservative, said the Alabama doctor who put forward the proposal before the AMA "believes that in the spirit of enhancing the patient/physician relationship, that information ought to be disclosed to patients to help them make choices.

I couldn't agree more," Nelson said. "That's exactly what the AMA is about. It's a cornerstone of American medicine."

However, according to Nelson, the proposal was voted down because "many people from the American Society of Reproductive Medicine... decided that they would testify, and their testimony was that there is not sufficient scientific evidence to suggest" that birth control substances can induce abortions.

"One of the foremost infertility doctors in the country [said] that's not the way it works," Nelson added. "I have no reason to doubt him."

Weber suggested the proposal might be brought up again at the 2002 AMA meeting.



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortionlist; catholiclist; michaeldobbs

1 posted on 12/07/2001 1:53:55 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Guess they don't believe in informed consent...
2 posted on 12/07/2001 2:08:35 AM PST by backhoe
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To: kattracks
This is typical of the pro-abortion crowd - give out as little information as possible, and keep chanting mantras and slogans.
3 posted on 12/07/2001 3:33:59 AM PST by GreatOne
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To: kattracks
"That's legitimate medical research, scientific debate," said Weber. "The question comes down to whether we want to let women know about it, so they can decide whether it's important or not."

This is chilling. Research indicates a serious situation, and there is a question as to whether they want women to know about it? Where is NOW?

4 posted on 12/07/2001 4:49:04 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: FreeTally
This is chilling.

And more than a little arrogant.

6 posted on 12/07/2001 6:49:55 AM PST by Steve0113
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To: kattracks; *Abortion_list; *Pro_life; toenail; pcl; patent
bump
7 posted on 12/07/2001 8:32:28 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: kattracks
When Do Human Beings Begin? "Scientific" Myths and Scientific Facts, by Dianne N. Irving, available at the Libertarians for Life website.

Does the Birth Control Pill Cause Abortions? -- Adobe Acrobat (PDF) complete text.

Postfertilization Effects of Oral Contraceptives and Their Relationship to Informed Consent (FR)

8 posted on 12/07/2001 8:47:13 AM PST by toenail
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To: MHGinTN
ping
9 posted on 12/07/2001 8:48:55 AM PST by toenail
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To: toenail
Prolife bump
10 posted on 12/07/2001 8:58:01 AM PST by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes
WFTR; *Abortion_list; *Catholic_list; *Prolife_list; PennsylvaniaMom; RNMomof7
11 posted on 12/07/2001 9:01:49 AM PST by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes; WFTR; *Abortion_list; *Catholic_list; RnMomof7; PennsylvaniaMom
let's try that again, shall we? (red-faced bump).
12 posted on 12/07/2001 9:03:48 AM PST by Aristophanes
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To: kattracks
major NFP bump!
13 posted on 12/07/2001 9:05:50 AM PST by el_chupacabra
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Thanks for the bump. I don't think these guys are much better then the American Bar Association and its antics, but as a lawyer I know more about why I don't like the ABA.

patent

14 posted on 12/07/2001 9:09:57 AM PST by patent
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To: Aristophanes; dadwags; SoothingDave; al_c; JHavard; Havoc; OLD REGGIE; Iowegian...
LOL....thanks for the flag..no matter where you planted it :>)..I will bump to the Christians on my bump list..

This is an ongoing deception, remember ..a fetus is just a mass of cells? This is simply an extention of the lie

15 posted on 12/07/2001 9:10:06 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
The AMA has strong policies on informed consent, giving patients information about the risks associated with medical procedures and drugs, Weber noted. "So it would have been very consistent with that to adopt this policy.

Except where the information involves abortion.

Anyone who knows about medical research knows that the studies showing a link between saccharin and cancer are flawed. Yet foods that contain saccharin are still required to have a cancer warning.

The studies that show a link between breast cancer and abortion aren't widely accepted yet, yet just try to establish an informed consent requirement to warn women that abortion may cause breast cancer. You'll be shouted down.

There's just too much risk of a financial loss in the baby killing - er, I mean abortion - industry.

And that's whether the subject is pre- or post-implantation abortions.

Shalom.

16 posted on 12/07/2001 9:18:33 AM PST by ArGee
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To: kattracks
Politicizing a medical organization is disgraceful. Many family practitioners ahve abandoned the AMA and have formed their own groups because they will not participate in political correctness. Ethically speaking the AMA is a failure -- all risks should be categorized and mentioned to any patient -- I believe they don't recognize the studies that link first abortions to breast cancer either.
17 posted on 12/07/2001 9:38:35 AM PST by victim soul
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To: kattracks
There isn't sufficient evidence??? That is amazing to me. In a basic description of how the pill works (any online search will find this info), it is stated that first, the mini-pill seeks to block the release of the egg from the ovary. If this fails, the pill seeks to block fertilization. If this too fails, the pill seeks to block implantation.

I haven't taken the pill for 4 years because of this very thing. I found out by simply reading the encyclopedia. It's entry for progesterone (main ingredient in the mini-pill) said that it is a hormone used in contraceptives which can create an inhabitable uterine lining, thereby preventing implantation.

After having my son 9 months ago, I had the obligatory 6 week check-up birth control discussion with my ob/gyn. I informed him why I would not be taking the pill, and he confirmed it to me as well, that the pill can in fact act as an abortifacient. He didn't offer the info, but certainly agreed with my determination when presented with it.

This is so outrageous. So many women don't know, and I think more than a few would want to.

18 posted on 12/07/2001 10:12:04 AM PST by agrace
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To: agrace
"After having my son 9 months ago, I had the obligatory 6 week check-up birth control discussion with my ob/gyn. I informed him why I would not be taking the pill, and he confirmed it to me as well, that the pill can in fact act as an abortifacient. He didn't offer the info, but certainly agreed with my determination when presented with it. This is so outrageous. So many women don't know, and I think more than a few would want to."

One of my wife's best friends just delivered her baby and was discussing going back on the pill, and my wife mentioned the sometimes-abortifacient nature of the pill. Her friend didn't know anything about it, so I can reasonably infer that her physician simply did not inform her. Well, a little email can cure the lack of information.

AMA jerks.

19 posted on 12/07/2001 10:16:22 AM PST by toenail
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To: toenail
Do these women not know that emergency contraception (morning after) is just an increased number of birth control pills?
20 posted on 12/07/2001 10:24:34 AM PST by misterman
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To: toenail; agrace
Re: the dirty little secret of the Pill --

My wife and I didn't know this either (that the Pill is an abortifacient). I discovered it by accident while reading Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life), by Pope John Paul II. At the time, we were not Catholics but we were adamantly pro-life. The revelation that we could have been having early-term abortions and never known it, rocked us to our core.

Recently my wife was in the hospital after experiencing problems with an exceptionally heavy flow. The OB/GYN immediately recommended putting her on birth control pills which we rejected. When we told her we wouldn't do it due to the possible abortifacient effect, the doctor got this "deer in the headlights" look on her face like "Uh-oh, THEY KNOW."

(By the way, Chloryphyll supplements cleared up the problem without having to resort to using the Pill. I hear that flax seed oil works as well.)

21 posted on 12/07/2001 11:35:39 AM PST by Aristophanes
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To: misterman
Do these women not know that emergency contraception (morning after) is just an increased number of birth control pills?

j Are you kidding? Who would've told them -- the AMA? The Media? Planned Parenthood?

Thanks for your contribution. You never know -- you might have saved a life today.

22 posted on 12/07/2001 11:38:01 AM PST by Aristophanes
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To: RnMomof7
Thanks for the bump. Does anyone know how these people get appointed to these positions? Is there any way to Freep these deceptive murderers?
23 posted on 12/07/2001 12:31:40 PM PST by lockeliberty
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To: toenail
Nearly thirty years ago I was selling IUD's and contraceptive pills for Searle Labs. I became a Christian and realized that I couldn't in good conscience support abortion. I had been trained to sell the above mentioned products as contraceptives. When I learned that they were also on occasion abortifacient (that was nearly thirty years ago, so how up-to-date is the current AMA?) I had to inform my boss that I couldn't sell those any longer. It was then that the company admitted--not before and we were not taught that--the products did on rare occasion cause the miscarrying of a conceptus. The pharmaceutical industry drives too much of the AMA's rationale. These 'doctors' know thr truth, but choose to promote the lies because of profits ... doctors are the largets shareholders in pharmaceutical and insurance companies.
24 posted on 12/07/2001 12:51:40 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: kattracks
their testimony was that there is not sufficient scientific evidence to suggest" that birth control substances can induce abortions.

There you have it. Another Pro-life myth busted.

What is the world coming to? We have lawyers telling doctors about medical facts. We have doctors telling the world about firearms. We have Pro-lifers telling women they should feel guilty if they have abortions. We have Clean Air Rights people telling others they can not smoke. We have talk show hosts (Dr. Laura) telling librarians how to run their business. We the Ashcroft telling Oregon he will will interfer with their State Laws.

No body seems to be able to mind their own business these days.

25 posted on 12/07/2001 4:40:21 PM PST by pcl
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To: Aristophanes
Thanks for the pro-life ping.

The sheer arrogance of the AMA collectively deciding what a patient should or should not be informed of is stunning. The real epiphany for cooperative of big medicine/big drug companies will be when breast cancer rates start rising (due to the aging of the first generation of legal abortion recipients) and some legal eagle (ala the big tobacco lawsuits) connects the dots between abortion and breast cancer. The physical damage (infertility) along with the breast cancer risk is the 'third rail' of the pro-choice lobby. No one wants to touch the women's health aspect of all of that 'choice.'

26 posted on 12/07/2001 5:02:56 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom
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To: Aristophanes
Thanks for the flag. I thought that it was already proven that some birth control pills worked by preventing implantation. I'm a little surprised that this issue is still in doubt, and I think that the pro-life movement should be willing to admit that there is still controversy over the question. I don't believe that the child becomes a person at the moment of conception, so it isn't that big an issue to me anyway.

I'm mostly concerned that these people are voting over what a doctor may tell his/her patient about a controversial issue. If the doctor believes that these contraceptives are causing abortions, he/she has the right to inform patients. He should be honest about the controversy, but he shouldn't keep the information secret.

WFTR
Anti-Abortion Opinions
Bill

27 posted on 12/08/2001 1:09:18 AM PST by WFTR
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To: Aristophanes
Are you kidding? Who would've told them -- the AMA? The Media? Planned Parenthood?

Uhh, maybe their physician? It's also printed on the bag.

MM
28 posted on 12/10/2001 5:46:42 AM PST by misterman
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To: kattracks
The AMA is not trustworthy. They use drugs to kill. Antidepresents are the cause of thousands of murders every year along with the suicides..
29 posted on 12/10/2001 6:01:55 AM PST by mbb bill
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To: misterman
I'd bet not one physician in 10,000 ever informs his/her patient that they're about to take a drug which might induce an early term abortion by preventing implantation. Did yours? Ours didn't.

Most of them would rather ignore the issue or pretend that pregnancy begins with implantation.

And, yes you're technically correct -- it is printed on the label. But the vast majority of people don't read the inserts that come with their drugs, and of the tiny percentage who do, most of these people cannot read medicalese well enough to decipher the meaning.

30 posted on 12/10/2001 6:36:38 AM PST by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes
I'd bet not one physician in 10,000 ever informs his/her patient that they're about to take a drug which might induce an early term abortion by preventing implantation. Did yours? Ours didn't.
Most of them would rather ignore the issue or pretend that pregnancy begins with implantation.
And, yes you're technically correct -- it is printed on the label. But the vast majority of people don't read the inserts that come with their drugs, and of the tiny percentage who do, most of these people cannot read medicalese well enough to decipher the meaning.


What the hell kind of physician are you going to? Sounds like some kind of shady back-alley dealings to me. What do you mean "most of them would rather ignore the issue"? You might try to give doctors more credit than that, since most of them don't get too involved with ridiculous abortion arguments. Sounds to me like you went to the 1 in 10,000 doctors that DON'T mention to their patients that one of the applications of birth control is use as a "morning after" pill. A larger quantity of pills can be taken up to 72 hours after intercourse to successfully stop a pregnancy. This is common knowledge among nearly 100 percent of women whom are on the pill and I am shocked that you would imply that a physician would deliberately not tell a patient about this application because of some silly ridiculous abortion argument.

MM
31 posted on 12/10/2001 11:29:03 AM PST by misterman
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To: misterman; *Abortion_list; *Catholic_list
This is common knowledge among nearly 100 percent of women whom are on the pill and I am shocked that you would imply that a physician would deliberately not tell a patient about this application because of some silly ridiculous abortion argument.

Well, let's check it out. I would assume that someone on FR who has further self-selected to be on the Pro life bump list, would have a far greater familiarity with the fact that the Pill is an abortifacient. So let's ask them:

How many of you lady Freepers knew that the Pill was an abortifacient? Please respond to this post.

32 posted on 12/10/2001 1:38:55 PM PST by Aristophanes
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