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Desperate search for Osama nukes
WorldNetDaily ^ | DECEMBER 7 | DEBKAfile

Posted on 12/07/2001 2:57:53 AM PST by Israel

Friday, December 7, 2001

FROM DEBKA INTELLIGENCE FILES

Desperate search for Osama nukes

Special Forces' priority now hunt for weapons of mass destruction


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Two pieces of fresh and definitive nuclear intelligence have U.S. Special Forces frantically searching the Tora Bora cave complex of east Afghanistan and triggered a major terror alert inside the United States, the third since the attack on New York and the Pentagon.

In Afghanistan, the U.S. military -- combing through the Tora Bora mountain cave complex 300 miles northeast of Kandahar for Osama bin Laden, his top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and 1,000 al-Qaida fighters -- were ordered to switch their priorities around. Their top objective now is to locate al-Qaida's weapons of mass destruction -- including nuclear devices -- in a desperate race against the clock.

According to intelligence sources, some 3,000 special forces commandos from the United States, Britain, Germany and Russia are currently scouring the cave warren of Tora Bora -- which means black dust -- for suspected weapons stores.

The special forces personnel operating in the region are attired in protective suits and carry equipment to counter threats from radiation and biological or chemical agents. It has been declared a no-go zone for journalists -- even those attached to the U.S. military.

A senior U.S. intelligence source familiar with the Tora Bora operation said the target area from Jalalabad to the Marines' Reno base south of Kandahar, has been cleansed of all cameras and media correspondents. The images appearing on television screens of summer-like conditions at Tora Bora come from archived footage. At present, the edges of the area north of Kandahar are dusted with snow, and winter is raging in north, northwest and western Afghanistan, encumbering U.S. intelligence-gathering and air operations.

The latest intelligence reports in U.S. hands claim that al-Qaida chiefs removed their nuclear, biological and chemical weapons arsenal from secret hideouts in Kabul to Tora Bora six days in advance of the Sept. 11 attacks in New York and Washington. That information persuaded Russian, Pakistani and Northern Alliance intelligence that bin Laden and al-Zawahiri went somewhere else, anxious to remove themselves from harm's way anywhere near a site where weapons of mass-destruction might explode.

Military sources report that because of the bad weather, sorties by drones and B-52 bombers and F-18 warplanes over Tora Bora and territory south of Jalalabad are intermittent. U.S. air operations are also disrupted in such areas as Paktia and Lugar in the southeast.

A further downturn is forecast by meteorologists in the days to come, with heavy snowstorms threatening Jalalabad in the east. Those forecasts persuaded President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and U.S. military chiefs that no time must be lost in the search for al-Qaida's nuclear weapons -- particularly in view of the second piece of alarming intelligence reaching Washington Nov. 27, primarily from Pakistan.

Bin Laden and his partner, al-Zawahiri, are now reported to be planning to take advantage of the slowdown in U.S. air activity forced by the inclement weather to complete their preparations for massive pre-Christmas terrorist strikes in the United States, including a possible nuclear or radiological weapon attack. The target period referred to was between Dec. 5 and Dec. 20. Al-Qaida's operational teams were described as standing by at the various departure points, some waiting only for the delivery of explosives, others just for their last order to go.

Bush dispatched CIA Chief George Tenet urgently to Islamabad to establish the credibility of this intelligence data with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and the heads of Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence service.

According to sources, Musharraf showed Tenet documents and first-hand witness accounts collected in the past two weeks by Pakistani military intelligence officers who had discovered and entered underground stores around Kabul, in which high levels of nuclear radiation were detected. The Pakistani agents also spent large sums of money to buy from Kabul locals descriptions of the men in charge of the stores and anything they may have picked up about the type of goods cached there.

They came up with a description of dark-colored, cone-shaped, ultra-heavy containers, about 4 feet long, which they were given to understand were radioactive. The guards, identified as a special al-Qaida unit of foreigners, Egyptians, Saudis and Chechens, spoke to no one. Their commanders communicated directly with bin Laden and al-Zawahiri.

According to sources in Islamabad, Musharraf advised the CIA director to go to Kabul himself and verify the information firsthand. They report that Tenet took this advice and paid a secret visit to the Afghan capital Sunday, Dec. 2, under the protection of U.S. and Russian special forces units.

With the help of interpreters, he and his assistants interrogated the Pakistani agents' sources directly. After six hours in Kabul, Tenet called the White House to confirm the Pakistan report, adding that it tied in with previous intelligence attesting to nuclear activity in the Tora Bora complex.

Washington's order to switch the objectives of the Tora Bora offensive went out accordingly at the beginning of the week. A nuclear terror alert was declared in the United States Dec. 4.

American armed forces in Afghanistan are in a race against the weather, too. The heavy snows expected around Dec. 10 to 12 will make their task almost impossible, forcing them to wait for the spring thaw. If Tora Bora is left in Taliban and al-Qaida hands, it would serve as a forward base for guerrilla forays to harass U.S. forces at Kandahar and Jalalabad and loosen their grip. Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri would win a breather of five long months safe from large-scale U.S. assault.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedanukes; gwot; proliferation
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1 posted on 12/07/2001 2:57:53 AM PST by Israel
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To: Israel
FROM DEBKA INTELLIGENCE FILES

A true oxymoron if there ever was one.

2 posted on 12/07/2001 3:05:13 AM PST by TomB
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To: Israel
NOW GET READY FOR ALL THE ANTI-DEBKA EXPERTS. RUMMY CONFIRMS CHINESE HAD TROOPS SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN AS DEBKA CITED. I THINK THEIR ARTICLES HAVE PROVEN TO BE REASONABLY ACCURATE. ON ISRAEL THEY ARE ON TARGET. PAKISTANI PLANES DID FLY IN AND PULL THEIR MEN FROM KONDUZ AS DEBKA CITED. IT IS AN EMBARRASSEMENT TO THE USA WHICH WE COVER UP BUT MANY OTHERS HAVE CONFIRMED. MAYBE THEY UPGRADED THEIR COMMODORES TO A GATEWAY 1000 MGZ. WISH OUR CIA HAD AS GOOD A RECORD. MAYBE THE CIA AND FBI WHO FAILED US MISERABLY BEFORE 9/11 SHOULD UPGRADE THEIR 286 COMPUTORS. BE FAIR FOLKS. INTELLIGENCE IS DATA AND LEAKS RECEIVED, SOME GOOD AND SOME BAD. DON'T EXPECT 100% ACCURACY. 50% IS GOOD AND 10% IN THE RIGHT AREA, WHICH PREVENTS DISASTER IS ALSO GOOD. I WONDER WHERE ALL THESE DETRACTERS AND SELF PROCLAIMED INTELLIGENCE EXPERTS GOT THEIR INTELLIGENCE TRAINING? AND HOW MANY OF THE BLOOD-THIRSTY COUCH-BOUND WARRIORS WE SEE ON FREE REPUBLIC, EVER SERVED A LICK IN THE ARMED FORCES. IF YOU CITE YOUR OPINIONS MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO CITE YOUR BACKGROUND AND WHAT MAKES YOU AN EXPERT. I AND MY GENERATION SERVED IN WW2. WE HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND SCARS TO GIVE US SOME LEGITIMACY. 30% OF MY COLLEGE CLASSMATES DIED IN WW2. WE SURE HAVE A LOT OF ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACKS AMONG FREEPERS. GENERALLY I FIND MOST OF THE COMMENTS QUITE REFRESHING AND INTELLIGENT. THEN THERE ARE THE OTHERS. IT MUST BE WONDERFUL TO BE SO SMART AND RIGHT ON EVERYTHING.
3 posted on 12/07/2001 5:57:10 AM PST by TIGERCLAW
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To: TIGERCLAW
Please post your personal thoughts about any Communist Chinese supporting the Taliban. (mind you, your personal opinion, thanks)- bttt
4 posted on 12/07/2001 6:19:45 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: Black Jade; GreatWall; Indiee; Notin04; backhoe; TIGERCLAW
"RUMMY CONFIRMS CHINESE HAD TROOPS SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN AS DEBKA CITED"

Good morning Jade. Jade, if you have an extra moment, please give us your thoughts about how and when the Communist Chinese supported the Taliban. Thanks.

5 posted on 12/07/2001 6:22:00 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: soccer8
Good morning soccer, what you you see in this thread??
(if you have time to make comments/especially about any Communist Chinese helping the Taliban- what's your opinion here? thanks)
7 posted on 12/07/2001 6:55:23 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: Carol-HuTex
"We need to explode a nuke on top of Bora to kill osama and friends in the cave below, and we need to do it quickly."

That's fine with me. But Bush and crew won't do that.
(unfortunately, America always has to wait till we get hit first! - before we would respond in kind!! - - hope this scenairo you depict, never happens to Israel or our United States)

8 posted on 12/07/2001 7:01:14 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: Carol-HuTex
Osama might set off a nuke in the Afgan hills and try to blame the U.S.

Stranger things have happened.

9 posted on 12/07/2001 7:22:12 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: Carol-HuTex
The cone shaped device is very likely to be made of carbon carbon and is the IRV (independent reentry vehicle) that contains a city buster hydrogen bomb.

Where would Osama have gotten one of those??

You're talking biiiig hummer, right?

If this is true, osama will probably set off one or more nukes prior to his upcoming death.

Or after.

Now forming: FreepAlert

10 posted on 12/07/2001 8:05:53 AM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: TIGERCLAW
Now get ready for all the anti-debka experts.

Rummy confirms Chinese had troops supporting the Taliban as debka cited. I think their articles have proven to be reasonably accurate. On Israel they are on target. Pakistani planes did fly in and pull their men from Konduz as debka cited. It is an embarrassment to the USA which we cover up but many others have confirmed. Maybe they upgraded their commodores to a gateway 1000 mgz.

Wish our CIA had as good a record. Maybe the CIA and FBI who failed us miserably before 9/11 should upgrade their 286 computers. Be fair folks. Intelligence is data and leaks received, some good and some bad. Don't expect 100% accuracy. 50% is good and 10% in the right area, which prevents disaster is also good.

I wonder where all these detracters and self proclaimed intelligence experts got their intelligence training? And how many of the blood-thirsty couch-bound warriors we see on free republic, ever served a lick in the armed forces. If you cite your opinions maybe you ought to cite your background and what makes you an expert.

I and my generation served in WW2. We have the experience and scars to give us some legitimacy. 30% of my college classmates died in WW2. We sure have a lot of armchair quarterbacks among freepers.

Generally I find most of the comments quite refreshing and intelligent. Then there are the others. It must be wonderful to be so smart and right on everything.

11 posted on 12/07/2001 8:08:09 AM PST by Israel
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To: TIGERCLAW
When did Rummy confirm that China sent troops to support the Taliban? I'm talking about 15,000 government troops here, not a few militant Muslims.

And I may not have fought in WW2, but at least I know how to turn off the "Caps Lock" button.

12 posted on 12/07/2001 8:14:28 AM PST by Arkle
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To: ChaseR
Actually, the chinese admitted to installing or plans to install a fiber-optic communication system the the talitubbies. Other than that, DEBKA breaks wind.
13 posted on 12/07/2001 8:26:12 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: ChaseR
About a month ago, Bill Gertz (and various other press agents) reported that the chicoms did purchase US cruise missles (duds). The money (suposedly a couple million dollars) the Chicoms provided to bin Laden could have used the funds for their arsenals. Gertz also reported that the Chinese had updated Taliban phone lines (before the latest war) in Kabul (potentially for better command & control). Chicoms got mad about that report and even printed a story basically calling Gertz a big fathead. There was also a report of some chinese militants in Afghanistan, but that's no different than Pakistani etc. militants helping the Taliban.

Thus far, I haven't seen any evidence of the Chinese directly supporting bin Landen or the Taliban with military technology/know-how. Nevertheless, it is worthy to keep on eye on them as they were uneasy about the US getting into the area. Further, I wouldn't classify them as very supportive on the war on terrorism. They say they are but really haven't done anything about it, other than asking for quid pro quo deals (such as we lay off Taiwan and/or support them taking out whoever they deem to be a terrorist - such as those in their Xinjiang province).

Finally, the Chinese have been heavy supporters of Pakistan. Their support has ranged from looking into setting up a deap sea port at Anwar (sp?) to providing missile technology (probably also assisting them in their nuke program). There is still friction between the US and China over China's proliferation of missile technology to rogue states. Just recently, the CATO institute classified China as a terror sponsor. Several non-proliferation talks have also been held between the US and China.

14 posted on 12/07/2001 9:32:47 AM PST by batter
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To: soccer8; KLT; ALOHA RONNIE; LarryLied
First Key phrase:

"Nevertheless, it is worthy to keep on eye on them as they were uneasy about the US getting into the area."

Bttt

15 posted on 12/07/2001 9:44:47 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: Israel
Rummy confirms Chinese had troops supporting the Taliban as debka cited.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Debka claimed that China had sent 3,000 troops. The Chinese fighting for the Taliban were muslim volunteers, not Chinese troops. Maybe for you that is a nitpicking detail, but for the rest of us...

Pakistani planes did fly in and pull their men from Konduz as debka cited.

That is still up in the air - and, once again, Debka had many, many facts of that story wrong.

16 posted on 12/07/2001 9:51:01 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: soccer8; backhoe; flamefront; stand watie; GretchenEE; GreatWall; Black Jade
Second, very important Key phrase - that all posters and lurkers - need to make note of:

"Finally, the Chinese have been heavy supporters of Pakistan. Their support has ranged from looking into setting up a deap sea port at Anwar (sp?) to providing missile technology (probably also assisting them in their nuke program).

Of course, on this second point ("providing...tech.") - let's all remember to:

THANK Bill Clinton ie; "The Clinton National Security Scandal and Coverup"

17 posted on 12/07/2001 9:52:54 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: Israel
back to ya
18 posted on 12/07/2001 9:53:30 AM PST by ChaseR
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To: TIGERCLAW
I wonder where all these detracters and self proclaimed intelligence experts got their intelligence training?

One doesn't need intelligence training to recognize B.S.

And how many of the blood-thirsty couch-bound warriors we see on free republic, ever served a lick in the armed forces.

A truly despicable attempt to disparage critics of Debka, but we've grown used to that, just as some claim we are anti-Semetic because we criticize a site from Israel.

If you cite your opinions maybe you ought to cite your background and what makes you an expert.

Common sense and a modest grasp of the facts are the only qualifications needed.

19 posted on 12/07/2001 9:54:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: ChaseR
EXACTLY CORRECT!

but don't forget the role of the democRATS in his TREASON!

for dixie,sw

20 posted on 12/07/2001 9:57:38 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Israel
The special forces personnel operating in the region are attired in protective suits and carry equipment to counter threats from radiation and biological or chemical agents. It has been declared a no-go zone for journalists -- even those attached to the U.S. military.

Then why is Geraldo there? Another little detail that calls into question the veracity of the latest Debka article...

21 posted on 12/07/2001 10:01:55 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: TIGERCLAW
Dear Mr. or Ms. Tigerclaw:

Shouldn't you have been a member for more than one whole day before you release such a diatribe against your fellow Freepers?

Civility and maturity are honored character traits for a reason.

22 posted on 12/07/2001 10:03:00 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Israel
American armed forces in Afghanistan are in a race against the weather, too. The heavy snows expected around Dec. 10 to 12 will make their task almost impossible, forcing them to wait for the spring thaw.

Funny, the Weather Channel forecast for Kabul shows no inclement weather through December 13th. Granted, it can be different weather in the mountains, but one would expect at least some of the bad weather to drift into Kabul...

23 posted on 12/07/2001 10:06:44 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Israel; TIGERCLAW
At present, the edges of the area north of Kandahar are dusted with snow, and winter is raging in north, northwest and western Afghanistan, encumbering U.S. intelligence-gathering and air operations.

Gee, WeatherUnderground has a 2-day forecast for cities throughout Afghanistan, and I can't see a lick of winter weather anywhere. I call up a map of current conditions and all it shows is some rain in the far northeast part of the country. Herat and Farah, in the western part of the country where the winter weather is supposedly raging, show partly cloudy skies with projected highs from 55 to 65 degrees. So why is Debka lying about the weather?

Tigerclaw, you asked what qualifications I had to question Debka. You busted me, I guess - I an just a weather weenie who relies on the Weather Channel and WeatherUnderground websites to research Debka's claims. All I can do is call up a .pdf from WeatherUnderground that shows no sign of winter weather raging anywhere in the country, despite Debka's claims.

24 posted on 12/07/2001 10:17:02 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: TIGERCLAW; Israel
Here's the current satellite map from the Weather Channel:

and here's the forecast map:

Where's the raging winter weather????

Note to people coming to this thread after 12/7 - these maps will change over time, as the link is to the Weather Channel site, which will update these maps. At the time I posted this, there was no winter weather present.

25 posted on 12/07/2001 10:20:27 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Israel
At present, the edges of the area north of Kandahar are dusted with snow, and winter is raging in north, northwest and western Afghanistan, encumbering U.S. intelligence-gathering and air operations.

This should be the final nail in the coffin of Debka's credibility. THEY ARE FRIGGIN' LYING ABOUT THE WEATHER. A simple check of internet weather sites shows the current weather in Afghanistan is pretty good for this time of year, and there is little to no precipitation and little cloud cover. WHY ARE THEY LYING? WHY ARE THEY LYING?

26 posted on 12/07/2001 10:22:17 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Dog Gone; Poohbah; sinkspur; Sidebar Moderator; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; ReaganGirl; Magician
You gotta see this - Debka got busted lying about weather conditions in Afghanistan.
27 posted on 12/07/2001 10:24:04 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
Ping - Debka caught lying about the weather in Afghanistan.
28 posted on 12/07/2001 10:30:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: TigersEye; Osinski; dighton; lawdude; Incorrigible; FryingPan101; editor-surveyor; beekeeper...
ping - debka caught lying about the weather...
29 posted on 12/07/2001 10:35:50 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Oh man. That's rich!

Next DEBKA will say that they were talking about the other Afghanistan, you know, the one up where it's snowing.

30 posted on 12/07/2001 10:37:51 AM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: Israel
Now, for comparison, here is the current U.S. Satellite map:

Now, the scale of this map is much broader, but you can still see that the current snow showers in mountains my home state of Colorado show up as a light purple color. Purple indicates precipitation. Yet, on the Afghanistan map, which is zoomed in more that the United States map, we see very little purple, and none in the areas where Debka claims that winter weather is currently raging - so that indicates that there are no mountain snows going on there like we currently have in Colorado. Once again, why is Debka lying about something so simple as the weather? Could it be that the urgency of their story falls apart without bad weather?

31 posted on 12/07/2001 10:40:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Thanks for the ping.

You know where you are with a complete liar, but when a chap mixes some truth with his yarns, you can’t trust a word he says.

-- Joyce Cary, The Horse's Mouth.

32 posted on 12/07/2001 10:48:00 AM PST by dighton
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To: dirtboy
Actually I've been posting here since September that Washington D.C. has more severe winters then the major cities of Afghanistan. I checked the climatological data for Afghanistan and found that Afghan winters are milder than the entire American Northeast. Not to mention the Plains states and Colorado Rockies. So much for those "brutally cold" Afghan winters that the media have been warning us about.

Granted, it is cold in the mountains. But no colder than the Rockies or the White Mountains up in New Hampshire.

33 posted on 12/07/2001 10:48:05 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: dirtboy
You are hysterical and irrational.
34 posted on 12/07/2001 10:53:01 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
No. He's being logical, providing information, and proving that DEBKA is lying.

That's quite different from being hysterical and irrational.

To be hysterical and irrational, he would have to not offer any information, nor any rational objections or data, and rely instead on insults and wild eye'd frothing at the mouth.

Like you did in your post.

35 posted on 12/07/2001 11:03:31 AM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: ChaseR; Yehuda; Lent; veronica; dennisw
Pretty Scary Stuff!
36 posted on 12/07/2001 11:10:38 AM PST by KLT
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To: tallhappy
You are hysterical and irrational.

Please explain how posting weather maps of Afghanistan that show no winter weather is hysterical and irrational. By your asinine comments here, you reveal that you have no interest in the truth when it inconveniences your beliefs...

37 posted on 12/07/2001 11:41:21 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
I think a better criticism would be that Ayman al-Zawahiri was probably killed the other day.
38 posted on 12/07/2001 11:41:53 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: SamAdams76
Granted, it is cold in the mountains. But no colder than the Rockies

Actually, for the most part I find winter in the Colorado Rockies far more comfortable than winter in Philadelphia - and I live in the mountains. It can be 20 degrees but I'm running around in a flannel shirt because the air is dry - not that miserable dank cold one gets back east...

39 posted on 12/07/2001 11:42:51 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: tallhappy
I think a better criticism would be that Ayman al-Zawahiri was probably killed the other day.

Look, DEBKA is lying. LYING. There is no winter weather raging in Afghanistan. Why do they need to lie? Do you think Debka has a shred of credibility left? If they lie about something as mundate as the weather, why should we believe anything else they say?

40 posted on 12/07/2001 11:44:12 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: ChaseR
Don't have time to look back into old reports as I scan perhaps a hundred a day. Rummy mentioned the existance of Chechnian and Chinese forces in the mix around Konduz. The other articles stated that the Chinese troops were Muslims from the western muslim area of China. They were probably there as free lance Taliban supporters rather than a deliberate Chinese Red action against the USA. But the Reds are totally against us, seeing us as the future enemy. We ought to boycott Chinese goods, especially at Christmas. It is unrealistic to see the Chinese cooperating with us in anti-terrorism. Has the downed spy plane already been forgotten. They are the future enemy. They are about as trustworthy as the Russians long range or the Saudis. The best to expect is short term joint interests. For Chinese/Russian capabilities and goals, turn to www.cheniere.org and read the comments by a bona-fide physics expert on their enmity and superior Electromagnetic weapons. Especially Quantum force weapons. Tom Beardon is a patriot and an expert as you will discover in his correspondence pages. Check out that site for a rude awakening from a weapons expert and a physics genius and see how our scientists in their arrogance have fallen behind the Reds in using 75 year old Tesla discoveries. Also check the Brojon site for more info by a smart man on similar subjects. Not as good as Beardon but pretty keen insight.
41 posted on 12/07/2001 11:51:12 AM PST by TIGERCLAW
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To: Carol-HuTex
The cone shaped device is very likely to be made of carbon carbon

Carbon carbon?

42 posted on 12/07/2001 11:53:11 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: dirtboy
The Chinese fighting for the Taliban were muslim volunteers, not Chinese troops

A big question is, of course, if the ChiComs really has full control over all the troops. If some of the troops and/or their commanders are muslims.

43 posted on 12/07/2001 11:58:45 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Israel
According to sources in Islamabad, Musharraf advised the CIA director to go to Kabul himself and verify the information firsthand. They report that Tenet took this advice and paid a secret visit to the Afghan capital Sunday, Dec. 2, under the protection of U.S. and Russian special forces units.

And here is another lie. According to CNN, Tenet accompanied the body of Johnny Micheal Spann from Germany to Dover Air Force base on December 2nd. Why would ANYONE believe Debka any more?

44 posted on 12/07/2001 11:58:52 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Arkle
GEE WHIZ ARKLE. WHERE IS THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON ON MY COMMODORE 64 ? Ever hear of EMPHASIS?
45 posted on 12/07/2001 11:58:58 AM PST by TIGERCLAW
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To: Cachelot
A big question is, of course, if the ChiComs really has full control over all the troops. If some of the troops and/or their commanders are muslims.

Hey, if you want to believe Debka, go ahead. But I've already caught them in THREE lies in this particular story - that journalists were not allowed near Tora Bora (Geraldo is already there), that there is a winter storm raging in parts of Afghanistan (there isn't), and that Tenet went to a secret meeting in Kabul on December 2nd (he didn't, he was flying with the body of Johnny Micheal Spann from Germany to Andrews AFB). Three lies in one story, easily refuted with a few searches on the Internet. Do you still consider Debka to be credible?

46 posted on 12/07/2001 12:01:23 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: TIGERCLAW
Hey, tigerclaw - I agree I have no intelligence training - but I've caught Debka in three lies in this story through simple internet searches. If a rank amatuer can unearth Debka's lies, then what does that say about THEM?
47 posted on 12/07/2001 12:02:32 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
Found another Debka lie in this story - see post #44.
48 posted on 12/07/2001 12:03:25 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cachelot
A big question is, of course, if the ChiComs really has full control over all the troops.

Debka claimed that China had shipped 3,000 troops overland to Afghanistan - but the Northern Alliance controlled the overland route. And Rummy mentioned a few mercinaries, not thousands of Chinese troops. More Debka-ka.

49 posted on 12/07/2001 12:04:40 PM PST by dirtboy
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I think they mean reinforced carbon-carbon, the stuff used on the Space Shuttle's heat-resistant tiles.
50 posted on 12/07/2001 12:05:02 PM PST by Poohbah
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