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PROFITS OF DEATH--INSIDER TRADING AND 9-11
From the Wildnerness Publications ^ | 12/6/01 | Tom Flocco

Posted on 12/07/2001 7:27:31 AM PST by mancini

FTW, December 6, 2001 -- On October 9th, FTW broke a story on insider trading connected to the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center that sparked worldwide controversy. In that story we reported how the Israeli Herzliyya Institute for Counterterrorism had documented that unknown individuals -- with accurate foreknowledge of the attacks -- had purchased an obvious and unusually large number of "put" options on United and American Airlines shortly before the attacks.

Additional companies hit hard by the insider trading included Axa Re(insurance) and Munich Re as well as American investment giants Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley.

Put options are essentially a bet that a stock’s price will fall abruptly. The seller, having entered into a time-specific contract with a buyer, does not need to own the actual shares at the time the contract is purchased. Therefore, if a holder of the put option has a contract to sell a stock such as American Airlines for (e.g.) $100 a share on a Friday and the stock falls to $50 on Wednesday, they can purchase the stock, sell it on Friday and double their money. The person on the other end of the contract (the call) has an obligation to buy the shares at the agreed upon price. The bank handling the transaction as a broker is the only entity knowing the identities of both parties.

FTW also revealed that the A.B. Brown (Alex Brown) investment arm of the banking giant Deutschebank/A.B. Brown had been headed until 1998 by the man who is now the Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency – A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard. In fact, Krongard is but one name in a long history of CIA interconnections to stock trading and the world’s financial markets. We also discussed, in detail, the evidence indicating that the CIA and other intelligence agencies monitor stock trading in real time for the purpose of identifying potential attacks of any nature that might damage the U.S. economy.

The original FTW story is located at: http://www.copvcia.com/stories/oct_2001/krongard.html.

Critics of FTW’s initial story - not having read any of five related stories dating back to an October 2000 piece on PROMIS software - claimed that we had not made the links to establish culpability. But we knew that the links were there, that our case was solid, and that new evidence would not go undiscovered for long.

Now, investigative reporter Tom Flocco digs deep and strikes pay dirt in a three-part series that reveals not only deeper links between the CIA, Wall Street and the insider trades of 9-11, but also discloses that a key executive at Deutschebank – an American – became, just weeks before the attacks, a convicted felon. His crime: conspiracy to launder drug money to arrange the purchase of U.S. weapons – in association with two Pakistanis who also attempted to acquire nuclear bomb components – for use by Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. – MCR

CIA DOES NOT DENY STOCK MONITORING OUTSIDE U.S.

(Part I in a series)

In a returned phone call from the Central Intelligence Agency, press spokesman Tom Crispell denied that the CIA was monitoring "real-time," pre-September 11, stock option trading activity within United States borders using such software as the Prosecutor‘s Management Information System (PROMIS). "That would be illegal. We only operate outside the United States," the intelligence official said.

However, when asked whether the CIA had been using PROMIS beyond American borders to scrutinize world financial markets for national security purposes, Crispell replied, "I have no way of knowing what operations are [being affected by our assets] outside the country."

Extensive media reporting confirms that investors at Deutschebank-Alex Brown and other global financial entities may have profited from prior knowledge of the attacks while purchasing disproportionate pre-attack put option contracts on targeted U.S. airlines and related insurance or investment firms. All of these firms suffered serious losses resulting from the September 11th attacks and their stocks abruptly plummeted.

Confirmation that the CIA or other U.S. intelligence agencies were monitoring financial markets and had seen these trades before the attacks would have staggering implications for thousands of victims’ families.

The CIA official also declined to comment on the actual capabilities of PROMIS. The highly technical software has been described as a system that "interfaces with any database...as police can input an alleged terrorist’s name or credit card, and the software will provide details of the person’s movements through purchases...," according to an 11-10-01 Toronto Sun report.

The importance of PROMIS is that it is not only capable of interfacing with a wide variety of data bases in different computer languages and then integrating the data, but it has also been modified for intelligence purposes. It has then been sold throughout the world by spy agencies through third parties to clients such as banks and investment houses envious of its unique capabilities. One key modification by agencies such as the CIA and Mossad – not disclosed to most users -- is a secret "back door" that permits those with the right codes to enter databases undetected, retrieve and/or alter information, and leave without a trace. PROMIS has been extensively reported as being used throughout the world’s financial markets because of its versatility in facilitating international transactions.

Further clouding the issue of pre-attack stock screening by U.S. intelligence, the Canadian daily revealed that U.S. police said many of the suspected terrorists were apprehended (and detained) "through use of the state-of-the-art computer software program PROMIS."

In March 2000, CIA director George J. Tenet told the Senate that Osama bin Laden’s group (Al Q’aeda) was "embracing the opportunities offered by recent leaps in information technology." A FOX News story and stories in FTW disclosed in November that Osama bin Laden was believed to have the software.

The issue of CIA monitoring of stock trades follows on the heels of wide reports indicating that investigators are carefully probing the insider trading with its resultant profits, reported to be in the 10’s of millions of dollars -- some of which a Deutschebank investor has yet to claim.

A PROMIS is a PROMIS

Crispell also declined comment when asked whether the Treasury Department or FBI had questioned CIA Executive Director and former Deutschebank-Alex Brown CEO, A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, about CIA monitoring of financial markets using PROMIS and his former position as overseer of Brown’s "private client" relations. [Note: Krongard stayed with A.B. Brown to head "private client" operations after it was acquired by Banker’s Trust in 1997. As Krongard was leaving in 1998 to join the CIA as counselor to Director George Tenet, Banker’s Trust was acquired by Deutschebank. Banker’s Trust had been previously criticized by the U.S. Senate and regulators for money laundering. Krongard was promoted to Executive Director at CIA in March 2001. - MCR]

Wide reports -- including a 9/28/01 story in the Asian Wall Street Journal and a 10/1/01 story in The Guardian -- indicate that investigators are checking Deutschebank’s alleged links to Saudi "private banking," terrorist bank accounts, and $2.5 million in unclaimed United Airlines (UAL) put options profits; however, no government acknowledgement had ever been given of CIA’s alleged use of PROMIS software prior to the attacks.

In a recent phone conversation, when asked about alleged terrorist ties to Deutschebank and potential pre-attack CIA trade monitoring via PROMIS, Treasury Department spokesman Rob Nichols remarked, "This is clearly an interesting line of questioning regarding conflicts of interest."

However, news searches indicate that no member of Congress has publicly questioned whether wealthy terrorist-connected Saudi nationals participated in the private client operations of Deutschebank-Alex Brown. Osama bin Laden and almost all of the alleged 9-11 hijackers are of Saudi nationality. Also, no member of Congress expressed public interest in asking Krongard about whether or not the CIA affected "real-time" pre-attack trade monitoring using PROMIS software at any location.

[Note: Under a program known as Echelon, the governments of the U.S., Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand routinely circumvent prohibitions on domestic electronic spying by having the agencies of the other governments do it for them. - MCR]

Michael Ruppert, editor and publisher of From The Wilderness (FTW) newsletter (www.copvcia.com), has been interviewed by both the House and Senate for his expertise on illegal covert CIA operations. He said recently that, "It is well documented that the CIA has long monitored such (suspicious or unusual) trades -- in real time -- as potential warnings of terrorist attacks and other economic moves contrary to U.S. interests."

Ruppert was the first to point out after 9-11 that CIA Executive Director Buzzy Krongard has extensive past ties to Deutschebank-Alex Brown. Ruppert added, "There is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific [criminal] foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks...and the firm which was used to place put options on UAL stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three position at the CIA."

Ruppert also confirmed that two October 17 calls to the FBI resulted in spokespersons declining to give their names after revealing that "the FBI has discontinued use of the PROMIS software." Moreover, on October 24, Justice Department spokesperson Loren Pfeifle declined to answer any questions about where, when, or how PROMIS had been used and would only say, "I can confirm that the DOJ has discontinued use of the program." This followed almost 17 years of denials by the FBI and the Department of Justice -- in court and under oath -- that they used the software at all in a law enforcement or intelligence capacity.

Krongard’s current lofty intelligence community position, combined with his prior leadership of a financial institution allegedly connected to terrorist hijacker bank accounts [see Part II], suspicious UAL options contracts, and "private banking" is so controversial that it has not as yet sparked any official investigation. That said, the evidence is substantial enough to potentially expose the prior-knowledge issue -- if Congress chooses to act.

And while Treasury Department official Rob Nichols agreed that unresolved conflict of interest questions remain, the CIA Executive Director is still currently charged with supervision of the U.S. intelligence investigation of his former firm and its "private banking" operations.

Reuters has reported that Krongard "was [also] involved in setting up the CIA experiment into investing in high-tech companies with the goal of acquiring innovative technology for its own use."

Commenting on the CIA’s venture capital firm In-Q-Tel, started in 1999 to encourage development of private-sector technologies for use in the intelligence world, Krongard said on August 1, 2001 -- just 5 weeks before the Trade Center attacks -- "I think In-Q-Tel’s a wonderful model...in accessing the capabilities of the private sector."

On October 16, Fox News reported that, according to sources, accused Russian spy and FBI agent Robert Hanssen sold high-tech PROMIS software to Russia, and that Osama bin Laden allegedly purchased it from Russian organized crime sources.

Fox reported that, "Government officials suspect bin Laden may have the highly sophisticated U.S. government software that has been used by several other governments, including the United States, for classified intelligence and law enforcement information."

The admission by U.S. government officials that PROMIS was widely used by a number of governments further blurs the pre-attack stock monitoring issue since intelligence officials will likely continue to decline comment, save for closed-door congressional oversight hearings or challenges by those victims’ families choosing to bypass settlements adjudicated by the Attorney General’s office in favor of direct intervention by the courts.

THE BUCK STOPS WHERE?

Tom Crispell, the CIA official, was cooperative while attempting to maintain intelligence confidentiality in the face of what he termed as "ongoing investigations surrounding the Twin Towers tragedies by the CIA, FBI, Justice, and Treasury Departments." However, this was in great contrast to an FBI spokesperson who refused to offer either his first or last name, while declining comment on any matter related to events of September 11.

During a series of calls, some spokespersons quickly attempted to defer and deflect questions to another government agency, i.e. "We don’t deal with that issue. Call the other [entity]."

However, many would agree, given the evidence, that the 9-11 terrorism is closely linked to economic issues. President Bush has stated that this is "economic warfare." Yet few appear to be questioning an apparent paucity of critical information sharing among key government agencies on the issue.

As U.S. investigators retrace the financial trails connecting the Twin Towers, terrorist hijackers and their accomplices, many of whom may still be in the country, evidence is being turned up by FBI, CIA, Justice, Treasury and NSA that does involve global banking conglomerate Deutschebank-Alex Brown. $

2.5 MILLION UNCLAIMED UAL INVESTOR PROFITS

For example, according to a 10-19-2001 Wall Street Journal report, an unnamed investor purchased 2,000 United Airlines (UAL) put option contracts through Deutsche Bank-Alex Brown on September 6 -- betting the stock would shortly plummet. And USA Today reported that an individual purchased 810 UAL puts on August 6.

A Baron’s source claimed on 10-8-2001 that the pre-attack UAL order placed through Deutsche Bank was for 2,500 contracts which were "split into 500 chunks each, directing each order to different U.S. exchanges around the country simultaneously."

According to San Francisco Chronicle reporters Christian Berthelsen and Scott Winokur a source familiar with the UAL trades said investors have yet to claim $2.5 million in profits on contracts purchased before United airliners crashed into a New York Trade Tower and a deserted Pennsylvania field on September 11.

The Chronicle source also identified Deutschebank-Alex Brown as the investment firm used to purchase some of the UAL options; and Rohini Pragasam, a bank spokeswoman, declined to comment on the transaction.

The source (who requested anonymity) said, "Usually, if someone has a windfall like that, you take the money and run. Whoever did this thought the Exchange [NYSE] would not be closed for four days. This smells real bad."

The German news weekly Der Spiegel revealed that Deutschebank also handled accounts worth about $100 million for Osama bin Laden's family. These were part of 10 accounts it suspected were linked to terrorists or terrorist activities and which it later handed over to German authorities after the attacks, according to a report in Britain’s The Guardian. But no further comments have been forthcoming from the financial giant.

German Central Bank President Ernst Welteke said a study -- concerning principal hijack subjects residing in Germany and unusual patterns in short-selling of insurance, airline and other financial company shares -- pointed to "terrorism insider trading" in those stocks.

THE SEC IS INVESTIGATING

A phone interview with Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) press spokesman John Nester, of the Washington, DC office, revealed that the Commission, "has already forwarded a general request to Deutschebank-Alex Brown and other investment firms for unspecified information related to the suspicious put option contracts placed prior to the attacks on the Trade Towers and the Pentagon." But the spokesman declined comment regarding the identities of complying banks or the contents of any information obtained.

Nester augmented his response by adding that "according to SEC Associate Director of Enforcement Bill Baker -- who just spoke on a panel outside New York last week -- our SEC probe is much broader than investigations made by countries in Europe (who also lost citizens), many of whom have already closed their financial investigations of investment banks like Deutschebank." No results of those probes have been made public.

While the SEC media director said "the investigation is still ongoing with no current conclusions," Nester (speaking for the SEC), had difficulty explaining the job description of current New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) Executive Vice President for Enforcement, David P. Doherty. He would only say that the NYSE "regulates itself as an SRO or self-regulating organization...." This vague answer is all the more provocative because Doherty is a retired General Counsel of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Nester added, "The SEC has oversight responsibility regarding the NYSE, and we are also working with Justice, Treasury, and the FBI, having set up professional point men at each firm we are looking at -- so we don‘t have to reinvent the wheel every time we call a company [related to the attacks] to get an answer to a question."

The "reinvent the wheel" statement raised an eyebrow regarding the level of corporate cooperation in the investigation, although Nester declined to add further comment.

IN SPITE OF CIA TIES THE NYSE IS LITTLE HELP

When asked about the status of the investigation into the disproportionate pre-attack stock option trades involving United and American Airlines, Merrill Lynch, Marsh and McLennan Insurance, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, Bear Stearns, and American Express, etc. -- all icons of American capitalism -- NYSE Communications Director Ray Pellecchia said, "We don't even confirm that there is an ongoing investigation."

"We report to the SEC as a matter of course," Pellecchia added. But after being referred to as a "persistent piece of work," this writer asked Pellecchia to discuss Doherty’s role in the investigations. He said, "We stand by this statement."

And after pressing for information about what the NYSE is actually doing to investigate the suspicious trades on behalf of thousands of victims’ families who may be concerned about the "prior-knowledge" issue, Pellecchia still declined to confirm that Doherty's enforcement office had even sent a report to the SEC.

When asked why so many former key CIA executives currently hold, or have held in the past, top level executive management positions connected in some way to the stock market via either the SEC, NYSE, or other investment banking entities, Pellecchia replied tersely, "I am quite aware of Mr. Doherty's background and experience."

Pellecchia also declined to discuss anything related to current CIA Executive Director A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard and his past relationship with Alex Brown.

EXPECTING MIRACLES?

Questions remain as to who will ultimately take center stage in investigating conflicts of interest or the real-time monitoring of world financial markets by U.S. intelligence entities to protect national security; let alone terrorist ties to wealthy Saudi private clients at global financial institutions having direct access (via correspondent banking relationships) to U.S. banks.

For while thousands of American families, victimized by terrorism, still remain numb with grief, information is being advanced daily regarding what could be described by some as casual, if not negligent, long-term, slipshod governmental responsiveness to fundamental internal national security and safety questions -- or worse.

Tom Flocco is a freelance writer and researcher. (email: TomFlocco@cs.com)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911conspiracy; insidertrading; krongard; promis; theoctopus

1 posted on 12/07/2001 7:27:31 AM PST by mancini
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To: rdavis84; thinden; Uncle Bill; jedediah smith; Magician
fyi
2 posted on 12/07/2001 7:30:17 AM PST by mancini
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To: It'salmosttolate
fyi
3 posted on 12/07/2001 7:34:08 AM PST by mancini
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To: mancini; Tom Flocco; aristeides; Plummz; zog; Sal
Tom Flocco is a freelance writer and researcher. (email: TomFlocco@cs.com) .....and a FReeper too!!
4 posted on 12/07/2001 7:37:40 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: mancini
There's enough info here to convince anyone with a bit more than a TV mentality that the upper levels of nearly ALL of American Business and Government have gone "on the take". It's all about being "Connected" and ethics, morals, scruples have no place in American Society any longer. There are pockets of "old fashioned" folks left, but they're considered strange, and if they have a bit of aggressiveness that makes them prone to expose 'deals', they're considered The Enemy.

The Leaders of our Nation have been given the same Free Will as the rest of us. They choose based on self-interest only. They set the example for their children just as their parents set the example.

As a Nation, We're Morally Bankrupt.

5 posted on 12/07/2001 7:44:49 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: mancini
FAST-TRACKING THE GLOBAL AGENDA UNDER THE COVER OF WAR

(It's) Official White House Press Release on the Caspian Sea Pipeline.

6 posted on 12/07/2001 7:47:25 AM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: Fred Mertz; Tom Flocco
Thanks for the ping. Anybody know whether the put-options trading would have been overseen by the SEC or by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission (whose NY offices, like those of the SEC, were destroyed in the WTC)?
7 posted on 12/07/2001 7:52:20 AM PST by aristeides
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To: rdavis84; Landru
Morally Bankrupt & Corrupt !!!!!!!!!
8 posted on 12/07/2001 8:01:19 AM PST by Donald Stone
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To: Alamo-Girl
I suspect that pharmaceutical and/or bio-defense firms MAY have been subject to peculiar short selling, so I wanted to bring this article to your attention..... just in case the Anthrax_Scare is riddled with criminal investment schemes....
9 posted on 12/07/2001 8:07:46 AM PST by meridia
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To: meridia; Alamo-Girl; Betty Jo
I think insider trading in pharmaceutical and biowarfare firms would have involved call options, since the stock-prices would have been expected to rise by the insiders.
10 posted on 12/07/2001 8:10:21 AM PST by aristeides
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To: mancini
I got this same article by e-mail from Paul Topete last week, but have not had time to trace it out.

If true, we are in deeep do-do.

11 posted on 12/07/2001 8:12:49 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: rdavis84
Wouldn't it be a hoot if the Carlyle Group was involved?
On behalf of their Clients of course.
12 posted on 12/07/2001 8:16:13 AM PST by Fighting Falcons
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To: mancini; rdavis84; rubbertramp
Reuters has reported that Krongard "was [also] involved in setting up the CIA experiment into investing in high-tech companies with the goal of acquiring innovative technology for its own use."

Commenting on Krongard said on August 1, 2001 -- just 5 weeks before the Trade Center attacks -- "I think In-Q-Tel’s a wonderful model...in accessing the capabilities of the private sector."

so the cia's new role is an "incubator" providing "venture capital" for "accessing the capabilities of the private sector."

iow, IN-Q-Tel owns the "mystery puts".

13 posted on 12/07/2001 8:35:10 AM PST by thinden
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To: mancini; dirtboy
bumping

FYI

14 posted on 12/07/2001 8:42:25 AM PST by Osinski
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To: thinden
A primer . . . for people like me. In-Q-Tel: A New Partnership Between the CIA and the Private Sector
15 posted on 12/07/2001 8:44:01 AM PST by mancini
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To: mancini; rdavis84; rubbertramp
Reuters has reported that Krongard "was [also] involved in setting up the CIA experiment into investing in high-tech companies with the goal of acquiring innovative technology for its own use."

Commenting on Krongard said on August 1, 2001 -- just 5 weeks before the Trade Center attacks -- "I think In-Q-Tel’s a wonderful model...in accessing the capabilities of the private sector."

so the cia's new role is an "incubator" providing "venture capital" for "accessing the capabilities of the private sector."

iow, IN-Q-Tel owns the "mystery puts".

16 posted on 12/07/2001 8:49:40 AM PST by thinden
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To: rdavis84
My thoughts exactly.
17 posted on 12/07/2001 8:53:22 AM PST by Jim the Just
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To: Fighting Falcons; mancini
"Wouldn't it be a hoot if the Carlyle Group was involved?"

I believe I read an allegation that they were, but couldn't trace any support for it. Might be worth a few more checking into it.

18 posted on 12/07/2001 9:18:43 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: thinden; mancini
There's some more "Intel" discussed here ---- Acxiom Had Data on 11 of 19 Hijackers
19 posted on 12/07/2001 9:28:47 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84; thinden; Fred Mertz; aristeides; It'salmosttolate; All
More on Gilman Louie from In-Q-Tel: http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/03.29.01/cover/cia1-0113.html

"The company's friendly, if stagnant, website (www.in-q-tel.org) attempts to reinforce that image--at least it did until recently, when it was redesigned and it dropped the stylish group photo of In-Q-Tel's largely Gen-Xish staff clad in all-black slacks and turtlenecks.

"One of the young, hip people is 40-year-old Gilman Louie, whom the CIA recruited to serve as In-Q-Tel's president and CEO. Louie made his mark and presumably his fortune in the valley as the creator of the "flight simulator" video game Falcon. [emphasis mine]

20 posted on 12/07/2001 9:53:08 AM PST by mancini
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To: mancini
bttt
21 posted on 12/07/2001 9:56:00 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: rdavis84; thinden; Fred Mertz; aristeides; It'salmosttolate; All
I thought it might be interesting to post this. Taking The Money

"In-Q-Tel has made 10 investments to date, mostly in companies developing Internet security products "

1. Science Applications International Corp.
2. Open GIS Consortium
3. MediaSnap
4. Graviton
5. SafeWeb
6. TrueSecure
7. Twisted Systems
8. TecSec
9. Browse3D
10. SRA

22 posted on 12/07/2001 10:02:23 AM PST by mancini
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excerpt from the "company's" mission statement:

In-Q-Tel’s Structure and Staffing

Central to the In-Q-Tel business model are speed, agility, market positioning, and leveraging. These attributes, taken together, have helped shape the evolving structure of the Corporation. It is one that intends to emphasize the "virtual" nature of the Corporation while minimizing "brick and mortar" costs -- i.e., it will operate by facilitating data sharing, and decisionmaking via seamless communications using a private network with broadband connectivity to the Agency and its partners, while limiting direct infrastructure investments in laboratories and related facilities by leveraging the facilities of others.

option contracts - an endeavor that meets all the objectives, or simply "put":

1. mimimzes "brick & mortar".
2. facilitated data sharing
3. using private network
4. limiting infrastructure investments
5. leverages the facilities of others.

23 posted on 12/07/2001 10:17:10 AM PST by thinden
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To: mancini; rdavis84
interesting, isn't it, to watch the "enterprise" go through the same old corporate growth cycle as its original model & partner.

start up phase - enforecement work
development stage - make big bucks dealing drugs
growth stage - money laundering of big bucks
mature stage - use "clean" money to invest in legitimate business fronts.

24 posted on 12/07/2001 10:24:00 AM PST by thinden
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To: Fighting Falcons
Wouldn't it be a hoot if the Carlyle Group was involved?

Couldn't be -- they're mostly Republicans.

25 posted on 12/07/2001 11:29:35 AM PST by LSJohn
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To: thinden
"interesting, isn't it, to watch the "enterprise" go through the same old corporate growth cycle as its original model & partner.

start up phase - enforcement work
development stage - make big bucks dealing drugs
growth stage - money laundering of big bucks
mature stage - use "clean" money to invest in legitimate business fronts."

Oh, I don't know, aren't all of the mobs in that same cycle? ;-)



26 posted on 12/07/2001 11:46:26 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: LSJohn
"Couldn't be -- they're mostly Republicans."

You're gonna' bring the Wrath of the Rightgeous Bandwagon Riders down on yourself!

27 posted on 12/07/2001 11:48:34 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: Fred Mertz
--yes, but wouldn't this constitute "bush bashing" and therefore even reading it would give one the mad jihader cooties, and make you a suspect terrorist?

;^)

28 posted on 12/07/2001 12:19:24 PM PST by zog
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To: rdavis84
You're gonna' bring the Wrath of the Rightgeous Bandwagon Riders down on yourself

Whu...? But..... but...... I thot I wuz defendin' the faith, as proclaimed in holey writ rote rot.

[ pro - claim : compound of pro (a lady of the evening) and claim (asserting a falsehood) ]

29 posted on 12/07/2001 1:57:44 PM PST by LSJohn
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To: zog
"mad jihader cooties"

LOL

30 posted on 12/07/2001 1:59:31 PM PST by LSJohn
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To: LSJohn; zog; mancini
"mad jihader cooties,"

I wouldn't wish THOSE on my worst .......... ..... ...maybe I would, too.

BTW, I noticed about 3 minutes of "The Agency" when it started on TV last night. They sure do make it look like they're right on top of it all, don't they? Had some nice shots of cell phone intercepting thanks to Echelon. Then voice recognition.

I sure slept better knowing they weren't wasting our money intercepting "money making info" with all that good stuff we buy 'em.

31 posted on 12/07/2001 2:08:51 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: mancini
Tom Flocco?

...a distant cousin perhaps, Mr Mancini?

32 posted on 12/07/2001 2:10:31 PM PST by Landru
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To: thinden
The CIA works for big corporations not us. They have a budget of billions and billions...yet 9-11 happened. We are just soylent green to them. Why is George Tenet still employed? In any other organization he would be considered bum extroadinaire. In any other organization he would be called into the office on a Thursday afternoon while the employees tittered behind his back.

The answer is that 9-11 was a success for "the evil ones"....to paraphrase George Bush Sr....9-11 was a little necessary unpleasantness for this intelligence war.

I guess my tin foil hat is not protecting me against cootie thoughts.;o(

33 posted on 12/08/2001 6:05:11 AM PST by rubbertramp
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To: mancini; rdavis84; First_Salute; LSJohn
click here for Put Option follow up thread

In the following excerpt from this thread, First Salute gets to the bottom line re: the unclaimed windfall:

Question:

Does the managment of a "house" which initiates such trades in question ( such as the 9-11 "puts"), know such initiators?

Answer:

Yes.

And that answers the puzzle for September 11, 2001 --- "mysterious parties" did not make the trades.

Known parties did.

There is NO mystery about it, though we may not yet be privy to exactly who were the hatchets.

14 posted on 10/21/01 10:42 AM Pacific by First_Salute
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34 posted on 12/08/2001 10:51:45 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden
Known parties did.

There is NO mystery about it, though we may not yet be privy to exactly who were the hatchets.

And that begs the question: What's the big secret???

35 posted on 12/08/2001 10:59:46 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: LiberteeBell
Here's that link ------ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/553279/posts

"And that begs the question: What's the big secret???" 

What you can piece together from this is that the CIA is playing the Market. Them and every Connected piece of crap that retired from high enough levels of FedGov. 

Here's more along that line ------ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/563257/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/585139/posts

36 posted on 12/08/2001 11:56:00 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
The fact is that Option trading is done all the time and institutions short stocks often for a number of reasons. Before we jump to the worst possible conclusions, it would be interesting to see the trading patterns over the past year. If these Institutions made similar trades in similar industries in the past, then it's just their trading strategy.
37 posted on 12/08/2001 12:01:12 PM PST by Hildy
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"Before we jump to the worst possible conclusions, it would be interesting to see the trading patterns over the past year."

That info is part of this research.

38 posted on 12/08/2001 12:03:32 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
Thank you for the links; I missed them originally and am intrigued by the fact that there has been no public announcement concerning who is behind the put options.

If it is who you say then why aren't heads rolling publicly? Or are these people waaaaaay too "connected" (to the clintons perhaps?) to be exposed?

39 posted on 12/08/2001 12:04:03 PM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: mancini
Any 'groups' (al-Qaeda) etc., involved with "ENRON"??
??Say what??
40 posted on 12/08/2001 12:06:55 PM PST by maestro
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To: rdavis84
Heads up!
(see # 40)
41 posted on 12/08/2001 6:20:23 PM PST by maestro
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To: Landru
...a distant cousin perhaps, Mr Mancini?

Not that I know of, but I suppose all Eyetalians are related to each other some kind of way, if not in a conventional family then in The Family.
Know whadda mean? ;-)

42 posted on 12/10/2001 8:06:45 AM PST by mancini
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"Know whadda mean?"

Yessir!!
~I sure do.

:^)

43 posted on 12/10/2001 8:57:43 AM PST by Landru
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To: aristeides
All equity trading whether NYSE or NASD is SEC monitored. The COMEX trades no equities and there is no "futures" trading in equities.
44 posted on 12/10/2001 9:06:25 AM PST by wtc911
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To: mancini
Thanks for the flag! The ones who were responsible for the short selling could be easily traced, but I'm sure the records will somehow get "lost."
45 posted on 12/11/2001 4:31:11 PM PST by jedediah smith
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To: rdavis84
I noticed that Orlin Grabbe had this report linked on his site when it came out, then took it off shortly thereafter. Don't know why that would be.
46 posted on 12/11/2001 4:32:37 PM PST by jedediah smith
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"I noticed that Orlin Grabbe had this report linked on his site when it came out, then took it off shortly thereafter."

Hi Jed! Re; Orlin's site, just did a search on it and don't find it either. I'm not sure where I saw it first, but it Would be strange for him to pull it. Hit a bad Nerve, seems like.

47 posted on 12/11/2001 4:53:40 PM PST by rdavis84
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