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Report: Videotape Shows Bin Laden Discussing Sept. 11 Trade Center Bombing
AP ^ | 12/9/01 | The Associated Press

Posted on 12/08/2001 9:31:44 PM PST by Jean S

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. officials have obtained a videotape of Osama bin Laden that provides the strongest evidence to date that the al-Qaida leader was connected with the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

In the 40-minute tape, bin Laden described the damage around the fallen twin towers in New York as greater than expected and praised Allah for greater success than anticipated, the newspaper said, quoting unidentified senior government officials.

The tape was said to have been found in a private home in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, and Bush administration officials are debating whether and how to make it public, the Post said.

While officials have said they intercepted communications that allegedly tied bin Laden or associates to the attacks, they have refused to release any materials, citing intelligence concerns.

Some officials hope that making the tape public could counter concern in the Muslim world that bin Laden has been unjustly accused of involvement in the attacks, the Post said.

The videotape makes it "very clear that bin Laden not only had advanced knowledge but is proof he was responsible for planning," one senior official who had seen a transcript of the tape told the Post.

AP-ES-12-09-01 0110EST

This story can be found at : http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAFNDPG0VC.html


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: talibanlist; terrorwar

1 posted on 12/08/2001 9:31:44 PM PST by Jean S
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To: JeanS
bump
2 posted on 12/08/2001 9:34:29 PM PST by Eva
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To: JeanS
Interesting....I have speculated before (though I was soundly rebuked my most of my friends) that the terrorists actually did not expect the towards to completely collapse, but may have only anticipated killing a few hundred or a thousand people. I wonder now if that may actually be the case...they may have actually soiled their undergarments when they saw the towers fall, because that would have removed any doubts that there'd be a decisive response rather than some meaningless symbolic cruise missile strike.
3 posted on 12/08/2001 9:34:46 PM PST by American Soldier
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To: JeanS
Release the tape to all networks, all cable channels, including al-Jeezera. Play it again and again and again, until every damn person in the world has seen it at least twice.
4 posted on 12/08/2001 9:35:31 PM PST by onyx
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To: COB1; ladyinred; wardaddy; onyx; Gracey; Howlin
FY!
5 posted on 12/08/2001 9:38:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: JeanS
The people at DU will be upset ...they think its a plot by the Bush family to make our president look good
6 posted on 12/08/2001 9:39:20 PM PST by woofie
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To: All
The Washington Post article is here:

U.S. Says New Tape Points to Bin Laden

7 posted on 12/08/2001 9:41:16 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Sabertooth; F16Fighter; Fred25; monkeyshine
FYI
8 posted on 12/08/2001 9:42:34 PM PST by onyx
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To: JeanS; *taliban_list; *TerrOrWar
Well that surely will remove any doubt in the Muslim world ... well maybe not. They will simply claim it was manufactured with magic by Hollywood.

To find all articles tagged or indexed using taliban_list

Click here: taliban_list

9 posted on 12/08/2001 9:46:04 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: onyx
Arab muslims will just say that it is a fake smearing the name of innocent arabs. El-Jism will probably bury it on the graveyard shift. It seems that the arab street is mostly radicals who want to grow up to be defense attorneys.
10 posted on 12/08/2001 9:46:14 PM PST by Righty1
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To: woofie
The people at DU will be upset ...they think its a plot by the Bush family to make our president look good.

They won't be upset. They'll just change their rhetoric to say that the Bush and Bin Laden families have close ties and were working together.
11 posted on 12/08/2001 9:47:30 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: American Soldier
I have speculated before (though I was soundly rebuked my most of my friends) that the terrorists actually did not expect the towards to completely collapse, but may have only anticipated killing a few hundred or a thousand people.

I've thought that too. Consider the effect on American morale if the buildings had not been collapsed but were damaged to the point that they had to be dynamited.

12 posted on 12/08/2001 9:47:55 PM PST by supercat
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To: American Soldier
Of course they were surprised the towers completely collapsed. Duh. No one thought that would happen, even after the buildings were hit, until it happened.
13 posted on 12/08/2001 9:48:12 PM PST by Torie
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To: Foghat
FYI
14 posted on 12/08/2001 9:49:24 PM PST by suni
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To: Righty1
From the WP article:

A decision on whether to release information on the newly discovered tape is in the hands of presidential counselor Karen Hughes, according to a senior official familiar with the situation.

Shortly after the September terrorist attacks, President Bush gave Hughes the task of managing the White House information flow on the Afghan war. Hughes heads a special White House-based public relations operation that the United States and Britain began early last month to win international public support, particularly in the Islamic world, for the anti-terrorist campaign.

The public relations group has been concerned with the lack of U.S. credibility in the Muslim world, and recent discussions about release of the tape have focused on how to get Arab audiences to believe its contents – something that might not happen if Washington was the source of the release.

15 posted on 12/08/2001 9:53:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: American Soldier
I've been saying the same thing ever since 9/11 . . . I don't think these terrorists ever, in their wildest dreams, expected the towers to collapse . . . burn, yes, death and suffering, yes, but never the total collapse. It's like that old commercial showing a start-up online ordering company . . . the orders start coming in faster and faster . . . at first everyone's excited, then, as the pace picks up, there is a sudden realization of fear . . . a realization that they'll never be able to fill all the orders. That's what Osama experienced, I believe . . . a big grin that gradually turned to a fearful frown as he realized what would result from his unexpected "success".
16 posted on 12/08/2001 9:54:34 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: JeanS
Memo to: Mullah Omar

Here is that evidence you were asking for.

regards,

17 posted on 12/08/2001 10:03:52 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: onyx
I think we have enough proof by now -- Now let's dispose of the corpse...
18 posted on 12/08/2001 10:05:18 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: JeanS
Evidence won't make any difference to the true believers. At least it hasn't in the last 1500 years.
19 posted on 12/08/2001 10:08:47 PM PST by bayourod
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To: supercat
There were blasts heard in and out of the building as stated by firemen. So that question is still out there and the photos seem to show that. I would hook up to cable again just to see OBL admit it. lol (dang tv I hate it)
20 posted on 12/08/2001 10:19:02 PM PST by horsewhispersc
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To: Righty1
The world needs to see the tape, even if some Muslims will not believe what their eyes see and their ears hear.
21 posted on 12/08/2001 10:34:02 PM PST by onyx
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To: American Soldier
....I have speculated before (though I was soundly rebuked my most of my friends) that the terrorists actually did not expect the towards to completely collapse, but may have only anticipated killing a few hundred or a thousand people.

I think they were trying to kill as many as they could. While they may have hoped the towers would collapse, they surely figured on burning to death about as many as actually died. As far as not expecting a firm response, I think they did, but not quite so firm from the US, and much firmer from the great unwashed in Islamic countries. Of course until Babbling binny is stretched by a short rope over a long drop, frozen like a Birds-eye veggie on some goat path in the moutains, or turned into a greasy puff of smoke, he could still get his desires. It all depends on what else he's got, and how it's used.

22 posted on 12/08/2001 10:38:12 PM PST by El Gato
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To: JeanS
The Washington Post article

Indicates that he thought the towers would collapse down to the level were the planes struck. If that had happened right away, and considering the fires also, more people would probably have been killed than actually were. Fewer from FDNY, NYPD and PAPD of course, but as many or more overall.

23 posted on 12/08/2001 10:42:17 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
I disagree!

I do think they knew it was possible to collapse the Trade Towers. If they were interested in simply fire as a mechanism of destruction they would have hit the Towers at a far lower level. I am think their target level was the result of evaluation by structural engineers.

24 posted on 12/08/2001 10:51:58 PM PST by cpdiii
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To: cpdiii
I am think = I think
25 posted on 12/08/2001 10:54:38 PM PST by cpdiii
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To: LikeLight
I disagree. I think that Al Qaeda was definitely trying to bring down the buildings. One reason for the military tribunals is to avoid the situation in the previous attack where experts at that trial had to discuss what the bombers were attempting and why that attack failed to collapse the buildings. A comment was made that even a small plane would fail and that only a larger jet might have a chance of success. Al Qaeda studied the public info from that trial. They learned from their previous miscalculation and improved their attack method. The only thing about the second Towers' attacks that possibly surprised them was that the buildings stayed up for a while.

They discounted an American response because US responses against Arab terrorism have been temporary and involved quick withdrawals ever since the bombings in Lebanon in 1983.

26 posted on 12/08/2001 11:12:42 PM PST by LenS
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To: onyx
Last night I heard Dan Rather on Larry King Live say that the American people would have “humanitarian sympathy” (or something like that) for the California traitor who was found with the Taliban, and I think it was CNN that showed some rare video of the CIA agent who was killed, interviewing that same guy a day or so before the prison riot broke out.
27 posted on 12/09/2001 4:50:47 AM PST by Fred25
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To: JeanS
thanks for the post. does anybody know if the tape shows bin laden thanking clinton for his support?
28 posted on 12/09/2001 5:12:33 AM PST by mlocher
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To: Azzurri
And this makes them different from our rabid anti-war folks (Ada Coddington, Justin Raimondo, SendToScott, et al) exactly how?
29 posted on 12/09/2001 5:35:05 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: cpdiii
I do think they knew it was possible to collapse the Trade Towers. If they were interested in simply fire as a mechanism of destruction they would have hit the Towers at a far lower level. I am think their target level was the result of evaluation by structural engineers.

Or because they knew where the asbestos coating of the support columns stopped. (Thanks trial-lawyers, eco-whackos, etc.)

30 posted on 12/09/2001 7:59:00 AM PST by Stultis
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To: JeanS
Another source : Sky News

Spies Uncover Bin Laden Video
 

A video directly linking Osama bin Laden to the September 11 terrorist attacks has been discovered by intelligence chiefs.

The Saudi fugitive is filmed saying he did not anticipate that the twin towers would collapse after they were hit by two airliners.

The tape was found in a house in Afghanistan abandoned by the Taliban, the Washington Post reported. 

'Success'

In it, bin Laden says he was eating with colleagues when he was told of the first attack.

They cheered and he moves his hand to indicate that the tower will collapse to the point of impact. The dissident then praised God for the unexpected "success".

Intelligence chiefs say the tape is the first direct evidence linking the world's most wanted man to the attacks.

'Advanced knowledge'

A senior official said: "It is very clear that bin Laden not only had advance knowledge, but the video is proof he was responsible for planning."

But US defence officials have not decided whether to release the 40-minute video, which has been checked and found to be 'legitimate'.

They fear the Muslim world will believe it is faked.

'Revenge'

It is unclear why the amateur tape was shot - but similar releases have been made in the past to recruit new Taliban figters.

The video is a different one from the tape Prime Minister Tony Blair told the Commons about on October 20.

Mr Blair said the video he had seen a transcript of showed an interviewer asking bin Laden about the September 11 attacks.

The Prime Minister told MPs that the al Qaida leader replied: "It is what we instigated, for a while, in self defence. And it was revenge for our people killed in Palestine and Iraq."

 
 
Last Modified: 17:08 UK, Sunday December 09, 2001

31 posted on 12/09/2001 8:23:37 AM PST by colette_g
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To: JeanS
While officials have said they intercepted communications that allegedly tied bin Laden or associates to the attacks, they have refused to release any materials, citing intelligence concerns.

This info firmly supports the Bush decision to have terrorists tried in military tribunals. Were Bin Laden to be tried in a civil courtroom, the legitimacy of the videotape would have to be proved beyond a resonable doubt, meaning that all the intelligence sources used to obtain it would be available to the public.

32 posted on 12/09/2001 9:01:10 AM PST by randita
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To: JeanS
One thing seems to me to be clear: The longer we delay the release of the tape unedited, the less credibility it will have.
33 posted on 12/09/2001 9:06:32 AM PST by christianswindler
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To: JeanS
Created by the same folks that brought you TWA800 gaining altitude ?
34 posted on 12/09/2001 9:13:34 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: onyx
Especially at his tribunal hearing before he is pushed off of the front of an aircraft carrier to be blended as fish food. I would save his liver for the hogs though.
35 posted on 12/09/2001 9:55:55 AM PST by Righty1
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To: nopardons
This tape was probably made by the same CIA operatives who made the fake moon landing tape.
In fact, as a good Muslim I think the whole thing is fake!
I've never seen the WTC or the Pentagon destruction, only what the TV has shown, and I know how easy it is to fake that!

We're dealing with people who have "ears that won't hear and eyes that won't see."

36 posted on 12/09/2001 9:59:10 AM PST by COB1
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To: COB1
You are SO funny ! LOL

Yes, I know. Isn't it amazing that the very people, who adamenly claim that they can't / don't trust ANYTHING that any media or gvernment reports on, do believe , whole heartedly, EVERY ridoculous thing that the conspiracy nuts put out there ?

37 posted on 12/09/2001 11:16:32 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Fred25
Last night I heard Dan Rather on Larry King Live say that the American people would have “humanitarian sympathy” (or something like that) for the California traitor who was found with the Taliban, and I think it was CNN that showed some rare video of the CIA agent who was killed, interviewing that same guy a day or so before the prison riot broke out.

Thanks for watching Rather and CNN, two "things" I avoid watching! I'm shocked that CNN would present a "rather" (pun intneded) balanced report!

38 posted on 12/09/2001 1:03:57 PM PST by onyx
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To: JeanS
Report: Videotape Shows Bin Laden Discussing Sept. 11 Trade Center Bombing

Remember, according to Ted Kennedy and Pat Leahy, Bin Laden could kill half the world's population, but we still need to respect his rights. (sarcasm off) Kennedy and Leahy are evil incarnate.

39 posted on 12/09/2001 1:08:54 PM PST by Mark17
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To: JeanS
The tape was said to have been found in a private home in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, and Bush
administration officials are debating whether and how to make it public, the
Post said.


If they aired this footage (and properly translated Osama's rant) back-to-back with
the "Roots Of Rage" special that aired on NBC DateLine Fri. Night on the TRUE extent
of hate the MOST of the Muslim world has for America and American citizens...
now that woul be a REAL PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT!

(I work with some Muslims who I think are actually good people, of good will...
but I don't think our country will be doing itself any favor by not facing the fact
that a LOT of the Muslim world either HATES us or MISUNDERSTANDS us.)
40 posted on 12/09/2001 1:17:44 PM PST by VOA
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To: onyx
Thanks for watching Rather and CNN, two "things" I avoid watching!

Now that remark wasn’t very polite. I watch all three cable news channels to see what’s going on and who’s saying what. I don’t watch broadcast ABC, CBS, or NBC. My favorite channel is Fox News. Now you stop being a self-appointed member of the thought police!

41 posted on 12/09/2001 2:02:26 PM PST by Fred25
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To: Fred25
Fred! You watch FNC! Oh my, we're beginning to agree on more and more. EEEEGGGGGGHHHHAAAAAD!
42 posted on 12/09/2001 2:21:45 PM PST by onyx
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