Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

"The Federal Toolkit For DESTROYING Families"
DA*DI ^ | Sunday, December 9, 2001 | Stephen Baskerville, Ph. D.

Posted on 12/09/2001 10:26:26 AM PST by FoundationAndEmpire

Amid the war against terrorism both abroad and at home, as we send our servicemen overseas to defend our homes and country, Attorney General John Ashcroft can apparently find time to undermine our heroes here on the home front by continuing federal action to destroy their families and children.

The Attorney General and Health Secretary Tommy Thompson have just announced the creation of a federal “Toolkit to End Violence Against Women.” The Toolkit is a series of documents that rehash familiar but discredited hysteria about domestic violence and instruct mothers on how to use groundless accusations of domestic violence to end their marriages and remove children from their fathers.

Like myriad existing government programs, this will do nothing to “end violence against women.” What it will do is accelerate family destruction and increase violence against children.

Consider three long-established and undisputed facts:

* First, there is no epidemic of violence specifically against women. In 1999, the socialist-feminist magazine Mother Jones, hardly a bastion of male chauvinism, reported that “women report using violence in their relationships more often than men” and “wives hit their husbands at least as often as husbands hit their wives.” While the politicians of feminism, such as the National Organization for Women (NOW), refuse to acknowledge this truth, its theorists admit and even celebrate the fact. “Women are doing the battering,” writes feminist icon Betty Friedan, “as much or more than men."

In his book, “Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say,” former NOW board member Warren Farrell provides a bibliography of studies going back a quarter-century, many by feminist scholars, establishing beyond doubt that domestic violence is an equal opportunity problem. Professor Martin Fiebert of California State University has compiled a similar bibliography of 117 studies.

* Second, the hysteria over domestic violence is largely geared toward one aim: removing children from their fathers. Donna Laframboise of the National Post investigated battered women’s shelters in the US and Canada and concluded they constituted “one stop divorce shops” whose primary purpose was not to shelter abused women but to promote divorce.

These shelters, many of which are federally funded, issue affidavits against fathers sight-unseen that are accepted without any corroborating evidence by judges eager (for their own bureaucratic reasons) to justify restraining orders against fathers and the removal of their children.

Feminists themselves contend that most domestic violence takes place within the context of “custody battles.” “All of this domestic violence industry is about trying to take children away from their fathers,” writes Irish Times columnist John Waters, who predicts:

“When they've taken away the fathers, they'll take away the mothers.”

* Third and most serious of all, the most dangerous environment for a child is the home of a single mother. Children in single-parent households are at much higher risk for physical violence and sexual molestation than those living in two-parent homes.

A British study found children are up to 33 times more likely to be abused when a live-in boyfriend or stepfather is present.

“Contrary to public perception,” write Patrick Fagan and Dorothy Hanks, “research shows that the most likely physical abuser of a young child will be that child’s mother, not a male in the household.”

Mothers accounted for 55% of child murders according to a 1994 Justice Department report (and fathers for a tiny percentage). As Maggie Gallagher writes in her 1996 book, “The Abolition of Marriage”:

“The person most likely to abuse a child physically is a single mother.

The person most likely to abuse a child sexually is the mother's boyfriend or second husband. . . . Divorce, though usually portrayed as a protection against domestic violence, is far more frequently a contributing cause.”

Adrienne Burgess, head of the British government’s Fathers Direct program, observes that “fathers have often played the protector role inside families.”

Domestic violence programs provide a gravy train of government funding that empowers the divorce industry to seize control of more children, with predictable results: more divorce, more single-mother homes, more abused children. In no other area has the current administration been so committed to continuing the failed policies of the last one.

Do we really believe that the preponderance of firefighters and police officers who died on September 11 were “batterers”?

More urgently, how long do we expect our servicemen to fight and die to protect their country and families when the government of their country seems bent on destroying their families?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News
KEYWORDS:

1 posted on 12/09/2001 10:26:26 AM PST by FoundationAndEmpire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Attorney General John Ashcroft can apparently find time to undermine our heroes here on the home front by continuing federal action to destroy their families and children.

An incendiary statement, to be sure, as well as being someone's interpretation as well as a distortion ...

2 posted on 12/09/2001 10:31:06 AM PST by _Jim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: trussell
PING,now maybe you will understand what I was trying to say.
3 posted on 12/09/2001 10:35:02 AM PST by eastforker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Who wrote this?

Ans: It was this guy, a poly-sci type 'doctor':


Stephen Baskerville, PhD
Department of Political Science
Howard University
Washington, DC 20059
202-806-7267
703-560-5138

4 posted on 12/09/2001 10:35:18 AM PST by _Jim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Here is Ashcroft's letter (I feel this needs to be posted - BEFORE we simply 'convict' him of anything):

Office of the Attorney General
Washington, D.C. 20530
Dear Friend:

October was recognized by the President as Domestic Violence Awareness Month. The month gave all of us an opportunity to gather information, hold discussions, and increase awareness about domestic violence. However, if we are going to be successful in putting an end to violence against women, we must keep the issue at the forefront all year long.

Violence against women is perpetrated in all types of intimate relationships and crosses economic, educational, cultural, racial, and religious lines. Nearly one-third of women murdered each year in the United States are killed by their current or former intimate partners. Approximately 1 million women are stalked each year, and 1 in 36 college women is a victim of an attempted or completed rape in each academic year. As a result, across the country, women live in constant fear that they will be attacked at home, at work, at school, or in public places. Few women walk home alone at night without being concerned for their safety.

To assist communities and individuals engaged in activities to end violence against women, we are pleased to announce the development of the Web-based Toolkit To End Violence Against Women. The Toolkit was developed by the National Advisory Council on Violence Against Women, a council that is chaired by the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The recommendations and information contained in the Toolkit were the result of input from leaders and practitioners around the country with expertise in domestic violence, sexual assault, and stalking. Input was also provided by key individuals working in the areas of criminal justice, health, sports, faith, the media, the military, and entertainment. As you know, to end violence against women we must change our culture, and all facets of society need to play a role.

The Toolkit comprises 16 chapters that provide recommendations for strengthening prevention efforts and improving services for victims. Each Toolkit chapter focuses on a particular audience and includes recommendations for a range of professionals. The format is designed to help readers quickly pinpoint topics of interest, and each chapter is relevant to more than one group of individuals. We encourage you to consult all chapters of the Toolkit for instruction, guidance, and inspiration.

The Toolkit will be available beginning November 1, 2001, at the following Internet address: http://toolkit.ncjrs.org.

We consider the Toolkit to be a “living” document that will evolve as the issues surrounding violence against women continue to grow. We encourage your feedback and look forward to working with you to eradicate violence against women and to make this country a safer one for all individuals. Sincerely,

Attorney General John Ashcroft
U.S. Department of Justice

Secretary Tommy Thompson
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services


5 posted on 12/09/2001 10:44:00 AM PST by _Jim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
The exact kind of crap that we have come to expect from Howard U, unfortunately.
6 posted on 12/09/2001 10:44:34 AM PST by Chi-townChief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
From chapter 4 of the 'toolkit':
Chapter 4. Enhancing the Response of the Justice System: Criminal Remedies

What Criminal Justice Practitioners Can Do To Make a Difference

  • Require ongoing training for all sworn and civilian criminal justice personnel on issues related to sexual assault, dating and domestic violence, and stalking.
  • Adopt comprehensive protocols for law enforcement response to violence against women.
  • Coordinate the efforts of the justice system to prevent or intervene in violent crime.
  • Require the prompt completion of detailed incident reports and ensure their availability to victim advocacy agencies and victims as appropriate.
  • Educate members of the bench and bar about the struggles faced by victims deciding whether to participate in prosecution.
  • Encourage prosecutors to build a case based on evidence in all cases even when the victim is unable or unwilling to testify.
  • Invest in victim/witness programs and the expansion of community-based advocacy.
  • Provide women victims of violence facing criminal charges or in prison access to quality legal representation.
  • Evaluate arrest policies to determine whether victims of violence are being inappropriately arrested.
  • Support intervention efforts for batterers and sex offenders
Why the hysteria (forgive the pun) over this?

7 posted on 12/09/2001 10:48:00 AM PST by _Jim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Good post!

Right on target!

8 posted on 12/09/2001 10:48:56 AM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief
Is this the same Howard U. that Ashcroft's wife taught at?

Why do they have it in for him?

9 posted on 12/09/2001 10:54:58 AM PST by _Jim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Oooooeeeeee!

Chapter 12 of the 'Toolkit' contains some scary stuff too! (Not!):

Chapter 12

Engaging Religious, Spiritual, and Faith-Based Groups and Organizations

Two out of every three Americans are affiliated with a religious, spiritual, or faith-based group or organization, and approximately one out of every four Americans is an active member of such a community.

Based on the breadth and reach of these organizations, it is not surprising that many women and girls turn to religious leaders for guidance in dealing with violence.

Some religious, spiritual, and faith-based organizations provide victims with well-informed, practical, and spiritual guidance, including referrals to other organizations.

Religious organizations are essential to the culture and sustenance of communities and are uniquely positioned to champion efforts to end violence against women. Although philosophical differences have created tension between some religious, spiritual, and faith organizations and victim advocates, common ground can be found in shared interests to end violence against women. programs, and public and private funders can take to end violence against women.

What Religious Communities Can Do:

o Commit to making the problem of violence against women and girls a critical concern.

o Emphasize the teachings, practices, and organizational structures that promote a woman’s right to be free from violence, such as teachings that support equality and respect for women and girls.

o Develop theologically based materials that emphasize a woman’s right to safety and support and a perpetrator’s personal responsibility for ending the violence.

REALLY scary stuff ...

10 posted on 12/09/2001 11:03:08 AM PST by _Jim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #11 Removed by Moderator

To: _Jim
I believe it's because of Mr. Ashcroft's "controversial" positions on civil rights, similar to the stuff brought up in his nomination hearing.
12 posted on 12/09/2001 11:16:22 AM PST by Chi-townChief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
1 in 36 college women is a victim of an attempted or completed rape in each academic year. As a result, across the country, women live in constant fear that they will be attacked at home, at work, at school, or in public places. Few women walk home alone at night without being concerned for their safety.

Stop infringing on their 2nd amendment rights and those numbers will plummet. Typical of politicians and bureaucrats to create a problem (trashing 2nd amendment) while lauding how they're fixing a problem (gun violence). Next problem (the one the politicians and bureaucrats made worse -- see above italicized quote) they want more more money and power to fix. The "tool kit" is a nice idea but it rests on a problem government made worse. The end result will be no different than the first problem they created in order to claim they're fixing a problem. They do that in order to "justify" their unearned paychecks.

_Jim, thanks for bolding The Point.

13 posted on 12/09/2001 11:21:10 AM PST by Zon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Zon
Stop infringing on their 2nd amendment rights and those numbers will plummet.

Hey - I agree on that point. (IOW - DON'T blame me, I am all for C & C.)

There is no better equalizer for a woman than a firearm ...

However, that being said, there is MUCH more to this 'issue' that author of this very opinionated piece attempts draw out of thein air - he's working to create a straw man for whatever stange political purpose he's got in mind ...

14 posted on 12/09/2001 11:27:46 AM PST by _Jim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
IOW - DON'T blame me, I am all for C & C

I apologize if it appeared that I was hitting on you in regards to the 2nd amendment. It was solely aimed at those responsible: advocates of gun control.

15 posted on 12/09/2001 11:35:54 AM PST by Zon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
I've lived in a small-sized university town, with a very actice feminist women's health center. These nazis were doing all they could to see your tax dollars went toward getting that man out of the house.

Everything claimed in this article is right on!

The Battered Shelters are "One-stop divorce shops"! Your federal and/or local taxes going to promote divorce and not very equitable in terms of offering counseling or like services for men. Basically, all the paperwork and info to get the ball rolling and getting what you can, from the divorce! A real strong advocacy for divorce. And there's no check to see if these women are really being battered, often as not, the woman is more violent than the man. Also many are more interested in getting custody, and the support payments, than the actual welfare of the children.

I know of a divorcing woman whose friend raped her 5 year old daughter. She forced the the 6 and 8 year old brothers to shut up about it, and when the daughter started showing emotional signs of the stress, implied it was "the ex" molestating his own daughter; tried to have social services and the school counselor investigate him and interview the children. All this so as not to lose the custody and child support.

The children had to live through the trauma of the experience and lying to authorities, while their own father was falsely accused. This woman even forced her daughter to invite this bastard to her birthday party!

All came out a few years later, after the divorce, when the mother died of breast cancer. The children broke down and told the whole story. The incident was reported to the police and the perp was found, already in custody, in a neighboring state, for charges of raping another 5 year old girl.

The examples you gave in the toolkit again imply that only women are victims and our tax dollars should go to rabid, feminazis, to distribute their brand of utopia: all families consisting of single moms, federally funded on welfare, of course!

Check the statistics on the broken homes of the Black families. Turn of the century had very few, but thanks to the federal programs and scoial welfare, rewarding the women, if there is no father present, ..., 100 years later and guess what? Half of the children are raised with no more fathers in the picture! Pavlov and the bell! No father at home and Ding we'll give you the money!

Yes, I see cause for alarm every time the federal government tries to "solve" these problems, better left to religious organizations and NGO's. Seems to me, people at a local level are better to handle these issues. Isn't that what conservatism is all about?

Finally, I feel a good minister and his wife, with professional counseling skills, are more mature judges of what's happening in a marriage and how to handle it, than some 19 year old feminazi, with your tax dollars and an agenda!

16 posted on 12/09/2001 11:52:10 AM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
So what happened? Did this guy decide to beat his wife with a stick no thicker than the wedding ring like the bible says he can? Did he do that before she ran away to a women's shelter?
17 posted on 12/09/2001 12:04:11 PM PST by pcl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
Approximately 1 million women are stalked each year, and 1 in 36 college women is a victim of an attempted or completed rape in each academic year.

I don't trust any of these numbers. These centers like to inflate their "incidents" to get more funding at the crowded trough!

What is the definition of a "stalking" or an "attempted" rape? Show me a number of women in divorce proceedings/custody battles and I'll show you a lot of inflated numbers of "crimes"!

18 posted on 12/09/2001 12:09:24 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Third and most serious of all, the most dangerous environment for a child is the home of a single mother. Children in single-parent households are at much higher risk for physical violence and sexual molestation than those living in two-parent homes.

Don't hear much about this in the mainstream press, do we?

19 posted on 12/09/2001 12:10:14 PM PST by independentmind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pcl
Actually, I heard the stick is the size of your thumb, thus the term "rule of thumb."
20 posted on 12/09/2001 12:11:58 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
Since you seem to be so skeptical, perhaps you can explain what business the federal government has with domestic violence cases. What is wrong with letting local police departments handle the problem?
21 posted on 12/09/2001 12:14:24 PM PST by independentmind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
Invest in victim/witness programs and the expansion of community-based advocacy.

Read: Give your tax dollars to more feminist organizations and their brand of social engineering!

22 posted on 12/09/2001 12:15:37 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Dadi is a cool site. I was looking around it and found a story about an anotomically correct Victoria Silversdedt Figurine. She is cute.

The same article also points out all oustanding work the PLayboy Foundation has done to help stop violence against women.

Thank you for showing the site to me.

23 posted on 12/09/2001 12:16:28 PM PST by pcl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Joseph Warren
I'll bet your wife never landed you in the emergency room, either. Some of these folks need to spend a few weeks in an emergency room.
24 posted on 12/09/2001 12:36:05 PM PST by joathome
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

Comment #25 Removed by Moderator

Comment #26 Removed by Moderator

To: Joseph Warren
Whoa. That's pretty bad, and I'm really sorry you had to go through that. I still stand by the fact that MANY MORE WOMEN end up in emergency rooms due to serious battering.
27 posted on 12/09/2001 1:27:01 PM PST by joathome
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Joseph Warren
Perhaps that's because most men are capable of supporting themselves if they walk out of the house. I haven't worked in over twenty years, and would have no place to go but to a shelter (with my kids) should my husband decide to beat the crap out of me. I am not married to that type of man, however, and don't believe that most men are batterers.
28 posted on 12/09/2001 1:29:35 PM PST by joathome
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Some of the statistics quoted here are just wrong. Really makes me question the entire article. For instance,

"Mothers accounted for 55% of child murders according to a 1994 Justice Department report (and fathers for a tiny percentage)."

This is just plain flat out wrong. According to recent Justice statistics, mothers account for about 1/3 of all child murders, with MEN being responsible for the other 2/3's of ther murders. Fathers account for another approximate 1/3.....but I believe that does include stepfathers.

From a Justice Department site: "Women were over half of the defendants (55%) in only one category of family murder: parents killing their offspring. Firearms were used in 42% of family murders, compared to 63% of nonfamily murders. 7/94 NCJ 143498

This is a far cry from saying that mothers murder 55% of children. In fact, about 30% of child victims are murdered by women, and considering the fact that children spend most of their time in the care of WOMEN, that figure alone does not tell the whole story.

29 posted on 12/09/2001 1:32:47 PM PST by joathome
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #30 Removed by Moderator

To: Joseph Warren
I COMPLETELY agree with you about the socioeconomic factors. I'm so tired of the liberal mantra that "we're all at risk". BARF I know women (and men) are abused across all socioeconomic lines, but I'm also smart enough to know that the majority of the abuse occurs in the lower stratas of society.
31 posted on 12/09/2001 1:39:12 PM PST by joathome
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: joathome
Anyone who intentionally injures their spouse should meet the maximum penalty for criminal assault.

I don't believe that most men are batterers. There are two groups that push the idea that they are:

1) Feminists who need to demonize all men for various reasons (for an automatic advantage in child custody and divorce settlements, and for financial support from the govt/taxpayers for feminists groups, and to intimidate men out of opposing their Marxist agenda)

2) Actual batterers who can't take personal responsibility, so they parrot the feminist line, "It's not me! It's ALL men! It's systemic!"

It's a sad philosophy (feminism) that maligns good men (the majority) who would never hurt their wives in a million years, while giving actual batterers an excuse ("It was my Y-chromosome!")

We need to both stop the violence of the bad guys, and stop the destructive feminist stereotyping ("It's all of them!") of the good guys.

32 posted on 12/09/2001 1:44:02 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

Comment #33 Removed by Moderator

To: Dr. Octagon
I don't think that most men are batterers, either! I believe that FEW men are batterers. I can't stand the feminazis and their lies.

I've only known two woman who was seriously battered in my entire life.

One was my aunt, who seriously attempted suicide, stayed with him for several more years, and then finally made the break.

The other was a neighbor whose husband had played such mind trips on her, that she was TERRIFIED to leave him. Absolutely terrified. I can't imagine that amount of terror. Heaven only knows if she's alive today; when he saw that she was getting close to us "neighbors", he packed the family and moved them from Texas to Florida. I often wondered if he didn't dump her on a bridge somewhere between here and there.

Perhaps I don't know the minds of men, but I really don't think men are capable of being terrorized to the extent this woman was. They might be slapped around by their wives, they might be emotionally battered by their wives, but of those who live in terror.....it's mostly women.

And while the feminazis might inflate the statistics, the men who ignore this problem aren't any better than the feminazis.

34 posted on 12/09/2001 1:57:31 PM PST by joathome
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: joathome
Regarding "And while the feminazis might inflate the statistics, the men who ignore this problem aren't any better than the feminazis."

I agree.

I oppose domestic violence in all it's forms.

The disturbing thing is, good men like myself are rebuffed by feminists who so blindly malign all men, they can't accept even the idea of there being good men who oppose domestic violence in all it's forms.

That's annoying as heck.

I don't doubt the non-misandric concerns of non-feminist women, and often provide an escort for female friends walking at night.

35 posted on 12/09/2001 2:07:38 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Octagon
What's "annoying as heck" is not that the feminazis believe that every man is a batterer, but that we women are "all at risk". There is a subtle difference. They could point to any number of men whom they know have not, and would not batter. They never even insinuate that "all" men are batterers; they just preach that "all women" are at risk.

Subtle lies are lies, nevertheless.

36 posted on 12/09/2001 2:14:18 PM PST by joathome
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
and 1 in 36 college women is a victim of an attempted or completed rape in each academic year

If the sudy includes he-said-she-said date rapes, it could be true.

I don't want to blame any victims of real crime at all, but the typical undergrad college party, with lots of drinking among strangers, is a date-rape allegation waiting to happen.

37 posted on 12/09/2001 2:25:42 PM PST by bleudevil
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
THANK YOU, Jim for #5!
38 posted on 12/10/2001 11:11:16 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: FoundationAndEmpire
Sounds very like someone trying to undermine the present adminstration. Could the author possibly be a Dem? Someone out to discredit the Bush administration? Hmmmmm! Smell a rat anywhere?
39 posted on 12/10/2001 11:14:19 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: _Jim
Some religious, spiritual, and faith-based organizations provide victims with well-informed, practical, and spiritual guidance, including referrals to other organizations.

Thank you for posting this. I think it is important that people understand. It says "some".....they, too, need education in this area. They often want to see the family unit kept together and push this hard, turning a deaf ear to the victim. Some can even "beat," so to speak, the victim with scripture to keep them "in their place". The religious organizations need education as much as the rest of the country does.

40 posted on 12/10/2001 11:22:26 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Joseph Warren
Hey, man, I am really sorry! I know that there are no gender specifics in abuse. It is horrible no matter who it happens to! You are right that there is not equal help in places for males. That should be remedied.
41 posted on 12/10/2001 11:32:37 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: joathome
Very true! Most women in these situations are not working outside the home. Often it is the abuser who keeps them from it, and keeps them out of mainstream society. They are not able to get out, and support themselves without the help of shelters.
42 posted on 12/10/2001 11:35:51 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Octagon
You, sir, are a gem! I would be proud to call you my friend! Thank you for walking your female friends at night. Truly!
43 posted on 12/10/2001 11:48:33 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: independentmind
Since you seem to be so skeptical, perhaps you can explain what business the federal government has with domestic violence cases. What is wrong with letting local police departments handle the problem?

If they will, that is a great idea. Some of they like to look the other way. Or how about giving the guy who has a protection order out against him his GUNS back!!! If the guys at the local level cannot be counted on, who is there to keep them in line? When they do deal with it, there is still the need for laws to back them up.

44 posted on 12/11/2001 12:15:32 AM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: ExiledInTaiwan
I've lived in a small-sized university town, with a very actice feminist women's health center. These nazis were doing all they could to see your tax dollars went toward getting that man out of the house.

This is not the norm! If it is then the "norm" hasn't hit the mid-west yet!

The Battered Shelters are "One-stop divorce shops"! Your federal and/or local taxes going to promote divorce and not very equitable in terms of offering counseling or like services for men. Basically, all the paperwork and info to get the ball rolling and getting what you can, from the divorce! A real strong advocacy for divorce. And there's no check to see if these women are really being battered, often as not, the woman is more violent than the man. Also many are more interested in getting custody, and the support payments, than the actual welfare of the children.

I must have been in the wrong place! Again I think this is a generality! The shelters I am aware of, and those I have dealt with are not like that! There is counseling there, protection, food, shelter and clothing if you need it. I know several women and children who would be dead today, had those shelters not been available for them. From my experience the shelters do not supply the attorney. My ordeal was not a quick-stop thing, and was far from lucrative! If it were true that I could live off the gov't handouts and programs, then tell me where!! The child support and little help I did get temporarily was not a get rich scheme. It was poverty!!

I agree with you that there is not the same assistance available for men.

From my experience there IS a check and balance in the system to determine the battering. That system, at times, errs on the side of the abuser, leaving the abused unprotected. There is no perfect system in this world. Sometimes that error comes into play with the "he said - - she said" issue. Who is to say there was or wasn't sexual abuse if there are no Dr reports, or great photos that show physical signs? So who does the judge believe? The judge has a 50% chance of being right! What margin of error is there?

often as not, the woman is more violent than the man. Where do you get this from??????

As far a ministers being a good place to go....as long as they are educated in Domestic Violence and Abuse, they would be very helpful. If, however, they are not....they can be more damaging.

45 posted on 12/11/2001 12:38:39 AM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: ExiledInTaiwan
I am VERY sorry about the little girl. The things that cross my mind when reading that I cannot write here.
46 posted on 12/11/2001 12:40:02 AM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: ~EagleNebula~
This is not the norm! If it is then the "norm" hasn't hit the mid-west yet!

This was in the "left" coast. Perhaps it was the very center of the feminist movement, at the time, about 24 years ago, before any Rush Limbaugh.

I was working in partnership as the only midwives in this nest of feminazis. We did bloodwork for our prenatals through some doctors at the women's health center and taught some classes at the women's crisis center. The local ob/gyn's gave us some resistence, so these were the choices of my partner, when I came on the scene. Even then we were conservatives, pro-life, pro family, believed in God, ..., so this did not go down well with the local feminists. I recall one lady wanted us to do her homebirth. She was gay, "married" to another gal, having gotten pregnant in a one nighter with some undertaker, boy the stories you here in this profession. Anyway, we invited them to view some some pro-life movie being aired in the local city center. It was being protested by the feminists; we had our pictures taken and posted at the local center, something like wanted posters. Some feminist broke in on the movie and made rude jestures to our expecting couple. Later they received life-threatening calls. We were excluded from any future conferences or radio interviews about homebirthing and midwifery, only workers from the feminist center were interviewed or attended. This was all a bit much, considering we were the only midwifery group operating in a three county area.

To make a long story short, we saw from the inside the policies of the people running both of these centers. They were extremely hostile towards men. Local counselors, of the same ilk were extreme advocates of divorce as a first solution, and not just for battering. I personally watched how the local politics, funding and media were manipulated. I saw how the media excluded any voice other than the PC one to be heard. I saw many families broken by the workings of this funded machinery. Perhaps it was only a local phenomenon. But I suspect it played itself out in other areas, at that time, considering what I heard and saw coming out of Boston, Berkely and Santa Cruz, then.

I concede your doubt of the numbers or generalizations made, I would have to admit they need to be looked at. But consider this, most men will not admit nor complain about a woman physically attacking him, but this becomes serious business if this attack includes the use of knives, etc.

The numbers may not ever reflect the true picture and I maintain that the individuals I personally met were not above inflating numbers to achieve their agendas.

47 posted on 12/11/2001 1:24:13 AM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: ExiledInTaiwan
That's some scary stuff! WOW!
48 posted on 12/12/2001 7:40:55 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson