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The Scribes and the Pharisees of Oregon
The Sierra Times ^ | 8 December, 2001 | James Buchal

Posted on 12/09/2001 2:44:19 PM PST by brityank

News from the Front #60:

The Scribes and the Pharisees of Oregon


© James Buchal 12.08.01

 

This is a speech given at the December 6, 2001 Christmas Dinner of the Yamhill County Women in Agriculture. To put it in context, before the speech the audience was shown videotaped interviews documenting the devastation suffered by the farmers:

 

Seeing that this is a Christmas dinner, I must apologize because my remarks are not really going to fit the season, because the subject matter, fraud and corruption in salmon recovery, doesn't really fill anyone with happiness and joy. So I thought I would take another approach, and make a little effort to put the Christ back in Christmas, so to speak, and draw some parallels between the evils that He preached about and the evils that Oregon agriculture faces today. For I think it only a slight exaggeration to say that our modern "scribes and Pharisees" are, to steal a phrase from that great defender of agriculture, William Jennings Bryan, well down the road to crucifying agriculture on the cross of Environmentalism.

In particular, I want to make the case that the "scribes and the Pharisees" of Jesus' day represented the same sort of evil that the environmentalists do today. I do not mean people who want to take care of the environment as part of the wise use of natural resources. I mean people for whom protection of the environment their religion, a religion where the ends always justify the means, because the world is about to end, and only they can save us.

The Great Fraud in the Klamath Basin

Our first text is Matthew 23:4, wherein Jesus said: "they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers." This is natural resource policy in the Klamath Basin. Now we've just watched the farmers and others testify to their suffering, and even though the Bush Administration could have granted these folks an exemption from the Endangered Species Act, the Administration would not lift "one of their fingers". Remember the widow Brown from the tape? It's just like Jesus preached: "ye devour widows' houses" (Matthew 23:14).

Before I figured out that evil was involved, I used to think of the High Priests of Environmentalism like the Wizard of Oz. Out would come great pronouncements about salmon recovery, but if we ask any questions, it's "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". Here in Oregon, a federal judge recently pulled back that curtain and said wait a minute, these endangered salmon listings are illegal. You can't just separate out the hatchery fish, when their parents are wild and their children are wild, and pretend like they are some different species.

So we now know that nearly every salmon listing in the Pacific Northwest is bogus. These fish are not like whooping cranes or California condors or white tigers. There is no significant chance at all that the salmon are going extinct. We have the largest salmon runs ever measured this year. What's the response of the scribes and the Pharisees? Let us study this matter for a few more years, while we continue to violate the law every day.

But down in the Klamath Basin, most of the water that would have been used for irrigation is released to meet "minimum flows" for coho salmon. Where did these "minimum flows" come from? One of the scribes and the Pharisees, a man named Hardy, simply made them up. There are piles and piles of studies before 1995 where people looked at the condition of coho in the Klamath River, and no one ever even suggested that more water needed to be released from the Klamath Project. The fish aren't anywhere near the Project, they're on the other side of an impassable dam, they don't spawn in the mainstream river, etc., etc., etc.

But that didn't stop Hardy. He declared that the coho needed more water than there was in the Klamath River in seven years out of ten. And so it became an article of faith for the High Priests and their gullible followers. There is not enough water in the Klamath Basin in seven out of ten years. We have to have more "balance", and "sustainability", etc., etc., etc.

What about the suckers? Another fraud. Let's remember that the natural state of this area is a stinking swamp. Back in 1840 when the explorer Fremont came through, he reported he wouldn't even let his horses drink from the water because it was so fetid. It's a beautiful lake and fields now.

But back in 1988, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service made up a bunch of lies about suckers. One species was so scarce we couldn't even find any. There were only a few of the other species. They hadn't spawned in 18 years.

And after they listed them, of course they got a bunch of money to study the problem, and they went out, and lo and behold, there were suckers everywhere. Sometimes the water gets too much algae in it, and tens of thousands of them die, but that's not a problem, because suckers were engineered to survive in fetid swamps. But all last summer, we had to keep Upper Klamath Lake full to the brim because otherwise there might not be enough water for suckers.

Some people call the Democrats the Evil Party and the Republicans the Stupid Party. Many Democrats don't think there is anything wrong with the Endangered Species Act -- after all, it gets rid of those rural Republicans. And most Republicans just want to improve it. "Let's insist upon good science, and require peer review", they say. And that is stupid, because the real endangered species in the Pacific Northwest is good science (and farmers).

Why? First, most of the science is funded by the government, and scientific results always support greater government control. Second, the very institutions of science are all rotten. Let's use the Klamath Basin as an example. Greg Walden has called over and over again for "peer review" of the Klamath decisions. Well, they finally brought in the "good science" peer reviewers, and guess what? They are, for the most part, eco-nuts and political activists. Thanks to the wonders of the Internet, their beliefs are exposed, let me read you what one of them wrote:

". . . in the Pacific Northwest, keeping a few loggers employed for a few years (until the trees run out) or keeping a few cow grazing along unfenced streams is regarded as worth sacrificing entire fish populations that can support future generations."

Think about how nuts this guy really is -- trees are going to "run out". And think about what disdain he has for us: all us Northwesterners are a bunch of hicks who want to exterminate whole species for a few loggers or a few cows. That's who the Bush Administration has tapped for "good science". These sorts of people are just like the scribes and the Pharisees. Consider Matthew 23:24, where Jesus said : "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." Doesn't this describe the High Priests of the environmental movement perfectly?

Think about it. They are "blind guides", because they have no idea what sort of adjustments to human activities really do improve salmon survival. First they tell us to pull all the logs out of the rivers. Then they tell us to put them back in. First they tell us that we can't have fertilizer in the rivers, now they're dropping dead fish in the water from helicopters. If anything is a religious ritual, that sure is. Maybe if we rain salmon down from the sky, there will be many salmon.

And they "strain at gnats and swallow camels". A landowner can't build a dock in rivers with listed fish, but the City of Portland can dump hundreds of millions of gallons of raw sewage into the Willamette. Joe Six-Pack will pay a huge fine for holding onto a wild salmon he catches, while the gillnetters and their ilk conduct a huge, unregulated cash-based trade in wild salmon. Pacific Northwest salmon are the only endangered species you can enjoy for fifty cents a pound.

By the way, you know what the latest outrage is down in the Klamath Basin? Well, after the Bureau demonstrated that it had gone berserk, Oregon's most prominent representative of the Stupid Party spearheaded a law to give still more authority to the Bureau, this time to go and do "feasibility studies" about identifying additional water sources. And the Bureau turned around and said aha, now we've got millions of dollars to buy groundwater to fill up the wildlife refuge we drained dry. And nearly 200 wells have gone dry down there.

The Assassination of Measure 7

Enough of that, let's find another Biblical parallel. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus says that the scribes and the Pharisees "pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith". I take this to mean that the scribes and the Pharisees would follow little rituals, but abuse their power and authority. That's pretty much what the Kitzhaber Administration has been all about.

It says right in the Constitution of the State of Oregon, Article 1, Section 1, that " all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; and they have at all times a right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper". Last November 7, the people declared that they were sick and tired of having the State of Oregon steal their property by passing regulations taking it away, piece by piece, and so they passed Measure 7.

Now Governor Kitzhaber is sworn to uphold the law, which included Measure 7 once passed. And it was his job, along with the Attorney General, to defend Measure 7 from any lawsuits that the losers might file. So what happened? Government Kitzhaber and his lawyers and the environmentalists sat down with the plaintiffs' attorney and planned out how the State of Oregon could lose the lawsuit. It was a 2 1/2 hour meeting, and they even picked the Marion County judge to hear the case. And then the plaintiffs' attorney went home and prepared his lawsuit, and then the Deputy Attorney General went into Court and told the Judge, in substance, to go ahead and enter an injunction against Measure 7 because he was going to lose the case.

So they paid the "tithe of mint and anise and cumin"; they went to Court and put on a little ritual for the public. I look at this, and I see a gross betrayal of the public trust, and a criminal conspiracy to violate the civil rights of property-holding Oregonians. And if we had prosecutors who weren't wimps, they'd issue criminal indictments for this sort of crookedness. But here, in the People's Republic of Oregon, you won't even read about this in the newspapers, only on the Internet. Because the Commies are firmly in control in Oregon, and to the Commies, the State has to be able to steal private property without paying for it; that's what Communism is all about. To me it's like Matthew 23:27: the shiny new buildings down in Salem are "like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."

By the way, Governor Kitzhaber appointed the Deputy Attorney General who threw the case to the Court of Appeals, where he now sits. And the only reason we found out about this at all is because afterwards, the plaintiffs' attorney showed up with his hand out to be paid by the taxpayers for his great victory, and his timesheets show the meeting. And then Oregonians in Action managed to get hold of the notes of the meeting, which told the whole sordid story.

Land Management and Enviro-Hypocrisy

Let us turn to another text. Consider Matthew 23:13, where Jesus said: "woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." Isn't that a good analogy for public land management policies in the Pacific Northwest? The wild places are the Kingdom of Heaven for the High Priests of Environmentalism, yet most of them never visit them, they merely close them off so no one can see them.

These people are taking over virtually every important public office in Oregon. Two weeks ago, a man named Roy Elicker was promoted to Deputy Director for the Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife. A friend of mine named Holly Swanson has a tape of a speech he gave at the University of Oregon ten years ago, when he was a lawyer working for the National Wildlife Federation. Listen to what he said:

"What everyone likes is the Big victory, you load them cattle trucks for the last time and they go driving off into the sunset and never come back. But you can win a lot more victories than that ultimate one by making . . . making it so expensive [for the rancher] in his operation and by making so many changes for him to continue to run his cattle on the public lands that he goes broke... he can't do it . . .The ultimate picture is of course, the last cattle truck driving off into the sunset, but that's not how you win. How you win is one at a time, one at a time, he goes out of business, he dies, you wait him out, but you win." And now this guy is second in command at ODFW, so he can achieve his big victory. But you won't read about him in any newspapers. Unless you turn off your television, put down your newspapers, and get on your PC, you can't find out the truth about anything anymore. It's all lies.

Recognizing and Confronting Evil

Now Jesus recognized evil when he saw it, and he knew the scribes and the Pharisees were evil. His words don't leave much doubt: "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" And the worst thing about the scribes and the Pharisees is that they pretended to be virtuous, and even believed themselves to be virtuous, just like the environmentalists.

And things are worse than back in the times of Jesus, because these scribes and Pharisees don't just control the new State Religion of Environmentalism, they control every arm of the State itself. You want to buy a house? Good luck affording one; we have to concentrate all the people inside the Urban Growth Boundary, but we have to set aside the undeveloped land inside the Urban Growth Boundary for fish. You have a good job in heavy industry? The Dark Forces have stopped anyone from building power plants for a long time, because they want to supply the power by closing down electricity-dependent industries, which are now falling like flies. You want to grow food? But that takes water, and we can't use water because the fish need it. And so on, and so on.

We watched the failure of central economic planning and the collapse of Communism. We used to recognize the evils of Communism. And now the same Commie philosophy is behind central economic planning for the environment. But we don't seem to recognize the evil. In a way, the very failure of Commie planning -- economic decline -- is deemed a great success. We stopped development, so the plan worked, they say.

And who is fighting this evil? Almost no one. Oregonians in Action is putting up a bit of a fight, but where is your Farm Bureau? In bed with 1000 Friends of Oregon. Where are your Granges? Asleep or running square dances.

And what on earth are your legislators? Every year, the State of Oregon forces me to pay $2,000 license fee and sends me a monthly magazine called the "Oregon State Bar Bulletin". And when I opened up the August/September issue this year, the first article was entitled "Kumbaya at the Capitol: A review of the 2001 Legislative Session". And the first sentence was: "The 2001 legislative session was one marked by a spirit of cooperation."

My question is, why are we cooperating with evil at all? Here's the Biblical perspective on that (2 Corinthians 6:18): "what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" Now I don't mean to imply that all of your leaders are evil. As a very great woman philosopher once wrote:

"The truly and deliberately evil men are a very small minority; it is the appeaser who unleashes them on mankind; it is the appeaser's intellectual abdication that invites them to take over. When a culture's dominant trend is geared to irrationality, the thugs win over the appeasers. When intellectual leaders fail to foster the best in the mixed, unformed, vacillating character of people at large, the thugs are sure to bring out the worst. When the ablest men turn into cowards, the average men turn into brutes."

I don't know of a single member of the Legislature who isn't some sort of appeaser. Some of them are good people, even righteous people. But, as Proverbs 2:21 tells us, "[a] righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring."

Join the Salmon Revolution

What's worse is that the Dark Forces haven't just taken over natural resource management in Oregon; they've infiltrated every institution in this country that shapes our future. We have lost control of our government agencies, our courts, our schools, all because we don't care enough to do anything about it.

I mean really, aren't you just a little ashamed to live in the People's Republic of Oregon -- the only state where three major cities won't even interview aliens to protect us from terrorists because they are afraid of being insensitive to illegal aliens? Did anyone read Dave Reinhard's column in the Oregonian this morning? If White Supremacists kill someone, the Portland police can question every skinhead in sight. If abortion extremists blow up a clinic, we can question every abortion activist in sight. But if terrorists blow up the World Trade Center and kill thousands of people, we've got to be very careful to protect the civil rights of illegal aliens.

Every generation has a responsibility to pass along civilization to the next generation. We are always just one generation away from the Dark Ages. And in every generation, Dark Forces are trying to dismantle the ideals that made this a great Nation. The Dark Forces replace our freedom with petty rules. The Dark Forces replace our unalienable rights with unreviewable government powers. The Dark Forces replace private property with what they call "the public interest" -- what they want. The Dark Forces replace due process of law with raw political power. And the Dark Forces replace the truth with the lies that build that power.

Make no mistake about it, whether you know it or not, you are at war with these Dark Forces right now. It's not just a war about salmon and agriculture; it's a war about culture and ideals and freedom. Winston Churchill once said, "When great causes are on the move in the world, we find that we are spirits, not animals, and that something is going on in space and time, and beyond space and time, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty." So it is to your spirits that I want to appeal. You have a sacred duty to fight these Dark Forces, and pay forward the debt your ancestors paid with their blood, toil, sweat and tears.

How many of you are willing to work just a little harder in the New Year to elect people with common sense? It doesn't matter whether they are Democrats or Republicans or whatever. There are good people at the bottom of both parties.

You've got to get people who are willing to call a spade a spade in every significant public office to start winning this war. You've got to get people who the newspapers will call extremists in office, to wage war with the extremists that have taken over the bureaucracies. There is no other way.

We can win this war, which I call the Salmon Revolution. We can make the rural Northwest a beacon of light no matter how far the Dark Forces advance in the great corrupt cities. We can adopt the same political and organizational tactics of the Leftists, and regain control of the State of Oregon. This Christmas, your efforts are the gift I hope for most. Thank you.

© James Buchal, December 6, 2001


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Matthew 23:27: the shiny new buildings down in Salem are "like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."

Harrisburg; Olympia; Augusta; Tallahassee; Sacramento; District of Columbia: all are socialist enclaves of self-important bureaucrats building towers of papyrus leaves that are smothering the land and its inhabitants.

1 posted on 12/09/2001 2:44:19 PM PST by brityank (brityank@FReepmail)
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To: *landgrab; *Green; *Enviralists; farmfriend; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Helen; Mama_Bear; poet...
Had this been anywhere but Sierra Times, I doubt I would have read it, but it is too good not to share. Just like those 'Dead White Guys' from the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Century, those who wrote the Bible mostly got it right.
2 posted on 12/09/2001 2:51:55 PM PST by brityank
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To: brityank
Glad you indexed it- we have a very powerful tool in that- not only for our research, but I think we can win new converts by telling people, "Go to this bump list, look up links for subjects you are interested in, and see just how much you have not been told!"
3 posted on 12/09/2001 3:13:07 PM PST by backhoe
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To: brityank
BY, The man got it right. The environmental leadership are indeed identical to the pharisees, of a truly ungodly religion. Similar to the bug worshippers of ancient Egypt. Peace and love, George.
4 posted on 12/09/2001 5:37:15 PM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: brityank
Great post!
5 posted on 12/09/2001 6:23:03 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Peace and love, George.

Dammit, George! I've just about had it with all this "Peace and love, George" , crap!!!

Every damned post you have it's, "Peace and love, George". Whenever you "bless" others with this "Peace and love, George" stuff it just pretty much passes right by me whether I'm in a good mood or a pissy mode. Thank God you did not "bless" ME tonight. Had THAT been the case I'd be trying to force a 150 grain 308 cal slug to gegotiate the server directly to your PC. I'm in a pissy mode right now and I DO NOT any of that "Peace and love, George" bullshit.

Stuffit!

(PS - bump)

6 posted on 12/09/2001 6:24:47 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
gegotiate                   negotiate

Good night, George.

7 posted on 12/09/2001 6:27:42 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: brityank
"those who wrote the Bible mostly Totally got it right."

Great article!

8 posted on 12/09/2001 6:33:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Phil V.
" I'm in a pissy mode right now..."

And that's news? ;-)

9 posted on 12/09/2001 6:38:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: brityank; sourcery; *UN_List; *libertarians; .38sw; 185JHP; 1FreeAmerican; 1rudeboy...
Come one come all Bump
10 posted on 12/09/2001 6:44:27 PM PST by Vote-Fraud_2000
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To: brityank; abigail2; abner; aculeus; adanaC; advocate10; afraidfortherepublic; agitator; alisasny...
Well worth reading.
12 posted on 12/09/2001 6:52:42 PM PST by Vote-Fraud_2000
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To: editor-surveyor
ROTFLMAO I laughed so loud my wife ran into the office to make sure I was okay. She thought I was having some kind of seizure. LOL When I read PhilV's remarks she had to sit down and laugh. She said, "It sounds like he needs a hug and some cookies to calm down.
13 posted on 12/09/2001 6:53:07 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: editor-surveyor
And that's news? ;-)

Listen, bub, I got a whole box of 308s handy. . . . and a semi-auto. If I shoot reeeeallly fast - pop! pop! - I'm sure that the second will be through before my PC dies and the "gates close".

Watch it, bub.

14 posted on 12/09/2001 6:54:03 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: brityank
A liberal with a cause is more dangerous than a conquering army.
15 posted on 12/09/2001 7:00:22 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Phil V.
"I'm sure that the second will be through before my PC dies and the "gates close"."

On a pleasant summer evening back during the 1980 election cycle, we were sitting in the back yard pretending that we were training our new puppy, when we heard a loud bang nearby. - Soon the neighborhood was crawling with police cars, and everyone was out in the road gawking and gossiping as they hauled away one of the neighbors in cuffs.

Turns out that he had a difference of opinion with Jimmy Carter - on TV - and shot the poor thing to death.

16 posted on 12/09/2001 7:06:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Blood of Tyrants
A liberal with a cause is more dangerous than a conquering army.

Been there, done that.

 I believe a self-righteous liberal with a cause is
more dangerous than a 6 year old with a Play
Station.

17 posted on 12/09/2001 7:11:04 PM PST by gcruse
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To: brityank; AuntB; Grampa Dave
PING!
18 posted on 12/09/2001 7:15:48 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000
An interesting read. Thanks for the ping!
19 posted on 12/09/2001 7:17:22 PM PST by goldilucky
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000
Thanks for the ping, I bookmarked this article, it tells it like it is.
20 posted on 12/09/2001 7:18:07 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Blood of Tyrants
A liberal with a cause is more dangerous than a conquering army.

True and the environment has been used by government to manipulate the Sheeple early on. FDR pulled off one of the biggest ones ever. He convinced congress that flooding the Tennessee Valley would stop soil erosion. It was bought hook line and sinker at the time. I've heard my dad talk about places like the river bottoms on the Holston River. Where are they? In Chattanooga perhaps? The natural flooding of the river didn't take them out. Full river banks running from the dams turbines did.

Now The Tennessee Valley Authority in it's ever increasing Mother Hen protection of the environment will fine you or can fine you $10,000 for driving on the lake bank. Never mind the fact it is barren and has an 80 foot plus yearly fluctuation level. As well the Tennessee Valley catches a lot of the Gulf Stream Air Current from Mexico. But who does the EPA say is destroying the environment? According to them it has to be the few in number steam powered coal fired power plants in the state.

21 posted on 12/09/2001 7:18:49 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: editor-surveyor
That poor fellow must live in a "bad" neighborhood. During the 8 clinton years I killed . . . uh . . . hmmm . . . I forgot how many times I "killed" clinton. Also I forget how many times I "killed" carville . . . and hildabeast . . . I'm feeling dizzy . . . the room is spinning . . . .
23 posted on 12/09/2001 7:27:34 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: gcruse
That link was a good read!
24 posted on 12/09/2001 7:27:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000; Zadokite; Prodigal Daughter; TrueBeliever9; sirgawain
Thanks for the bumps!  An excellent article!  "Oregon, the Occult capitol of the nation," according to some sources.  I'd like to hear him speak about the pedophiles and deviants who run the State Child Seizure department which stole the children from the Christines.
25 posted on 12/09/2001 7:33:22 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000
interesting article and some good parallels are made.

Hope the gov guards the tea at the harbor really well, for one day, someone is going to have had enough and things are gonna get ugly out there.

26 posted on 12/09/2001 7:42:45 PM PST by woollyone
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To: WileyCoyote22
More accurately, "It's all about water for development, but only to those who pay off the Democraps": The Real Estate Party.
27 posted on 12/09/2001 7:44:30 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Phil V.; SierraWasp
That poor fellow must live in a "bad" neighborhood. During the 8 clinton years I killed . . . uh . . . hmmm . . . I forgot how many times I "killed" clinton. Also I forget how many times I "killed" carville . . . and hildabeast . . . I'm feeling dizzy . . . the room is spinning . . . .

Ya know, when I was living on a boat, there was a PCS (sub chaser) that was rafted outside the marina to keep down the surge. The owner was a guy by the nom de plume of Spike Manley. He was a little guy, about 5'8". Whenever Spike wasn't too happy about something on TV (which was often) or when he got a "heat on" an forgot to cut off the AC appliances when he lit off the 125 VDC generator (which was a LOT more often), the offending appliance usually ended up in the "basement," which included not a few TV sets. LOL, I was always wondering when that ship was gonna run aground on the pile of refrigerators!

28 posted on 12/09/2001 7:52:53 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I've just about had it with all this "Peace and love, George" , crap!!!
6 posted on 12/9/01 7:25 PM Pacific by Phil V.

Good. That means more for me. {grin}

(And peace and love back at you, George.)

29 posted on 12/09/2001 7:54:05 PM PST by Benighted
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To: 2sheep
"Oregon, the Occult capitol of the nation,"

And Eugene, the occult capitol of Oregon.

Creepy place, day or night.

30 posted on 12/09/2001 7:54:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: brityank
The only goal of Congress (today) is to ensure jobs. America is a socialist nation.
31 posted on 12/09/2001 7:58:57 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
America is a socialist nation.

Commentary divorced from reality.

32 posted on 12/09/2001 8:02:38 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
50% of my income is certainly divorced from my reality ... and that is socialistic.
33 posted on 12/09/2001 8:05:29 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: Carry_Okie
Spike Manley

Got address? I might like to BUMP into ol' Spike . . . sounds like my sorta dude (kack!)

34 posted on 12/09/2001 8:10:01 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: brityank
BTTT
35 posted on 12/09/2001 8:10:01 PM PST by hattend
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To: brityank
"Every generation has a responsibility to pass along civilization to the next generation. We are always just one generation away from the Dark Ages. And in every generation, Dark Forces are trying to dismantle the ideals that made this a great Nation. The Dark Forces replace our freedom with petty rules. The Dark Forces replace our unalienable rights with unreviewable government powers. The Dark Forces replace private property with what they call "the public interest" -- what they want. The Dark Forces replace due process of law with raw political power. And the Dark Forces replace the truth with the lies that build that power. "

Right on target........

redrock--Constitutional Terrorist

36 posted on 12/09/2001 8:13:55 PM PST by redrock
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To: Roscoe
Really?
37 posted on 12/09/2001 8:23:46 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: brityank
"Harrisburg; Olympia; Augusta; Tallahassee; Sacramento; District of Columbia: all are socialist enclaves of self-important bureaucrats building towers of papyrus leaves that are smothering the land and its inhabitants."

Bump for a closer read when I am awake.

38 posted on 12/09/2001 8:56:35 PM PST by d14truth
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To: gcruse
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." (Louis Brandeis)
39 posted on 12/09/2001 9:17:02 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: d14truth
I'm still convinced that the entire water shutoff game is a ploy to cause land transfer that will net out huge wealth for lurking liberal bastards that fund deviants like X42 and his 'enviro-nazis'. Somewhere there are grandios plans to develop the land now endangered of farming. There is a whif of leftist capitalism in the air.
40 posted on 12/09/2001 9:19:00 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000
Thanks.

Strong article.

41 posted on 12/09/2001 10:27:06 PM PST by LSJohn
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000
Here's a righteous bump right back, but it's hard to do. I'm laughing so hard at Peace and Love PHIL!
42 posted on 12/10/2001 12:56:34 AM PST by JudyB1938
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000
Thanks for the Ping
43 posted on 12/10/2001 2:08:57 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000
Thanks for the bump and the article.
44 posted on 12/10/2001 2:20:57 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: brityank
Enlightening.

Thanks for the post.

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
Download 8 Mb zip file here (50 minute video)

45 posted on 12/10/2001 3:08:39 AM PST by JCG
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To: Vote-Fraud_2000
Thanks for the ping. This is one speech by a lawyer which needs to be bumped all day long. The scribes and pharisees Jesus opposed were ruling the land with their libraries of commentary on the law rather than the text of the law itself. Does that sound familiar to anyone who has butted heads with the imbeciles here who will hold up a Supreme Court ruling as "proof" that the Constitution states something not to be found in the text?
46 posted on 12/10/2001 3:11:16 AM PST by Twodees
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To: Twodees
"This is one speech by a lawyer which needs to be bumped all day long. The scribes and pharisees Jesus opposed were ruling the land with their libraries of commentary on the law rather than the text of the law itself."

When a 'commentary on the law'; i.e., separation of church and state, is treated as de facto law by those who seek power unto themselves that is NOT contained in the law, liberty is lost, not protected.

The law IS that there shall be NO 'national' church. (No 'Church of the United States of America' as there was a 'Church of England'.)

That we would risk a government of 'pagans' was not the 'intent' of the writers of the Constitution. Godless persons are, well, godless. And, godless men answer only to themselves, or their human masters---not a pretty picture.

47 posted on 12/10/2001 5:12:48 AM PST by d14truth
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To: editor-surveyor
"Some people call the Democrats the Evil Party and the Republicans the Stupid Party."

Thanks for the ping.
Make no mistake; I'm one of the some.

-BTTT-

48 posted on 12/10/2001 5:14:37 AM PST by Landru
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To: joanie-f
Just in case you've missed this...
49 posted on 12/10/2001 5:16:25 AM PST by Landru
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To: 185JHP
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." (Louis Brandeis)

Sounds like a man with a true understanding of the problems inherent in a 'Peoples Paradise'(Marxist Socialism/Communism).

You cut off the opportunities of producers, to make opportunities for the unproductive, and 'voila', ALL become unproductive, and either the church or the state must take over. And, if the church has been outlawed or abandoned, the state becomes omnipotent, decreeing everything and producing nothing, IMHO.

50 posted on 12/10/2001 5:20:56 AM PST by d14truth
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