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Nylon vs. cotton debate shows that flag controversy isn't over
Spartanburg Herald-Journal ^ | Dec. 10, 2001 | Authors Too Afraid To Say His Name

Posted on 12/10/2001 12:35:10 PM PST by Church Lady

Nylon vs. cotton debate shows that flag controversy isn't over

If you thought that the controversy over the Confederate flag had been settled by last year's compromise, you'd better think again. Lawmakers agreed last year to move the flag off the Statehouse dome to the monument to Confederate veterans on the Statehouse grounds. Leaders on both sides agreed at the time to let the issue rest. But it has emerged again. A few lawmakers have taken it upon themselves to substitute a nylon flag for the cotton one that had been used.

You might think this is a minor thing, but you'd be underestimating the strength of feelings on both sides of the issue.

Flag supporters say they made the change because the colors ran too easily on the cotton flag. But flag opponents are angry because the lighter nylon flag rises and flutters in a lighter breeze, so it is much more visible.

Lawmakers are speculating that the move from cotton to nylon could scuttle the compromise and bring up the flag issue once again.

Why is this so important? Why do we waste so much time dealing with a seemingly insignificant matter?

Because the flag represents much more fundamental and significant issues -- issues that affect who we are as a people and the fact that we do not share a common view of our history.

To flag supporters, the debate shows that many fellow South Carolinians do not respect their heritage and their history. In fact, some fellow state residents want to defame and degrade that heritage.

To flag opponents, the debate shows that some South Carolinians have not yet recognized the oppression of black South Carolinians. Some fellow state residents refuse to acknowledge the harm and the evil that the Confederate flag represents to them. And they fear that the veneration of the Confederate flag reveals a desire to return to racial oppression.

Beneath the often angry rhetoric about the flag are very real and important differences about what South Carolina is and how it became what it is. People on both sides are passionate about these ideas because they directly relate to who they and their families are and how they relate to the rest of the state.

We will continue to fight about the flag -- even about such details as the fabric it is made of -- until that division is healed, until we can come to a common understanding of our history and its impact on our present and our future.


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Church Lady loves her Rebel flag and ain't gonna hide it for nobody.
1 posted on 12/10/2001 12:35:10 PM PST by Church Lady
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To: Church Lady
I enjoyed watching you on "Saturday Night Live". ;o)
2 posted on 12/10/2001 12:39:59 PM PST by 4CJ
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To: Church Lady
Composition of the flag is irrelevant. The trick is to bring up the subject again and again and again, so eventually the boobs who bent over for the NAACP in South Carolina will wake up and become self-respecting women and men again. Deo Vindice. The Kid.
3 posted on 12/10/2001 12:42:10 PM PST by warchild9
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I really enjoyed being there.It was so special.
4 posted on 12/10/2001 12:42:57 PM PST by Church Lady
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To: warchild9
Enjoyed your comment about the NAACP .why do they call that organization ,the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. We all know that the term colored is not politicaLLY correct as the PC term is now "African-American".Therefore ,my friends, shouldn't they call that organization the The NAAAAPor would that make everybody sleepy.
5 posted on 12/10/2001 12:50:35 PM PST by Church Lady
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To: Church Lady
"Some fellow state residents refuse to acknowledge the harm and the evil that the Confederate flag represents to them."

Confederate flags are now like guns - inanimate objects that move of their own accord and attack or kill people.

6 posted on 12/10/2001 12:51:05 PM PST by 4CJ
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To: Church Lady
Negros are colored people?
7 posted on 12/10/2001 12:53:54 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Church Lady
Liberals love the "rubbery" feel of the term "colored." My black friends laugh at it, and my wife, who is Hispanic, is mildy offended since people think brown/Mexican when anyone says "Hispanic," and she is a white Cuban. In short, "colored" is non-threatening to the common fool who doesn't realize that words mean things. The Kid.
8 posted on 12/10/2001 12:55:52 PM PST by warchild9
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To: Church Lady
So the flag opponents are upset because the flag is made of nylon instead of cotton. I would think it would be the other way around, since cotton would remind them of the centuries of unpaid labor. But that brings up the reparations issue. So that's why the flag opponents support a cotton flag! Follow the money.
9 posted on 12/10/2001 12:56:03 PM PST by aomagrat
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To: warchild9
I beg to differ with you there. Composition of the flag material is important. Call me silly (ok, I'm silly) but a nylon Confederate flag somehow takes away from the importance of what those brave men and women, of all colours, stood against
10 posted on 12/10/2001 12:56:32 PM PST by billbears
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Confederate flags are now like guns - inanimate objects that move of their own accord and attack or kill people.

You have spoken the truth .The truth is supposed to set us free .However as Jack Nicholson said in"A Few Good Men" some folks can't "Handle The Truth"

11 posted on 12/10/2001 12:56:47 PM PST by Church Lady
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To: aomagrat
The flag opponents are upset because we WILL NOT dip our colors, and surrender to them. The Kid.
12 posted on 12/10/2001 12:57:28 PM PST by warchild9
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To: aomagrat
Follow the money.

IF I ONLY FOLLOWED THAT ADVICE WHEN i WAS YOUNGER.

13 posted on 12/10/2001 12:59:08 PM PST by Church Lady
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To: billbears
A valid point sir.
14 posted on 12/10/2001 1:00:47 PM PST by Church Lady
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To: Church Lady
I have no problem with other ethnic groups honoring their heritage, but I have severe problems being told that I can't honor mine.
15 posted on 12/10/2001 1:04:10 PM PST by 4CJ
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To: billbears
I will concede your point, sir. May I also emphasize the importance of where the flag was produced. The Kid.
16 posted on 12/10/2001 1:06:01 PM PST by warchild9
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To: billbears
" ... a nylon Confederate flag somehow takes away from the importance of what those brave men and women, of all colours, stood against".

Impossible. That's not in the history books. < /Sarcasm >

17 posted on 12/10/2001 1:09:03 PM PST by 4CJ
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To: Church Lady
we might want to make sure its not a "Made In China" flag.
18 posted on 12/10/2001 1:23:28 PM PST by Captain Shady
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To: Captain Shady
My Bonnie Blue was made in the South, and my Third National in Taiwan. I have nothing against the Taiwanese. The Kid.
19 posted on 12/10/2001 1:25:17 PM PST by warchild9
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
BTW picked up an excellent book (so far) called Black Confederates edited by Charles Kelly Barrow, using historical documentation about the many African-Americans that fought FOR the Confederacy. One point they make rather early is that many of the soldiers were not technically enlisted. They just came from wherever and started fighting without bothering to sign up. Has about 20 pages of documentation in the back on the different sources. Will let you know when I finish

GOD BLESS DIXIE!!

20 posted on 12/10/2001 2:19:30 PM PST by billbears
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To: billbears
"Has about 20 pages of documentation in the back on the different sources."

You mean some information survived the cultural cleansing? Appreciate the info, and looking forward to the results.

21 posted on 12/10/2001 2:55:23 PM PST by 4CJ
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To: Church Lady
Church Lady loves her Rebel flag and ain't gonna hide it for nobody.

Yippee Ky Yay.

22 posted on 12/10/2001 3:05:37 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: Church Lady
If the Confederate Battle Flag goes, next will be the 'candystriped' flag, probably to be replaced by the UN flag.

I support the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of the South, of liberty and freedom; and a symbol against tyranny. I look at it as not only a flag of heritage, but a flag of hope for the future. Therefore, it is a modern flag as well as an historic one. Nylon is okay by me, as long as it's not made in communist China.

23 posted on 12/10/2001 3:39:10 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Captain Shady
the battleflags flown over the SC statehouse are ALL made in Crawford,GA,CSA by Ruffin Flag Co.

for dixie,sw

24 posted on 12/13/2001 9:12:08 AM PST by stand watie
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To: billbears
according to BLACKS IN BLUE AND GRAY, by Professor H R Blackerby of Tuskeegee University, between 100,000 & 300,000 black men (& not a few black women BTW) served as uniformed CSA soldiers,sailors & marines. by one estimate about 30% of the CSMC was black by 1862.

according to a professor from American University, "almost by accident the rebel army became the first FULLY RACIALLY INTERGRATED modern army".

in the midst of a fight for liberty, skin color,gender,physical handicap,religion or any other similar characteristic becomes irrelevant. good southron soldiers, sailors & marines couldn't have cared less about such things;they just wanted FREEDOM!

for dixie,sw

25 posted on 12/13/2001 9:20:14 AM PST by stand watie
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