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Did Israeli Intelligence know about the September 11 attack beforehand?
Foxnews | December 11, 2001

Posted on 12/11/2001 6:24:35 PM PST by Heisenburger

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1 posted on 12/11/2001 6:24:35 PM PST by Heisenburger
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To: Heisenburger
Don't know about a link, but there was a story about it on Brit Hume's show. Said the Israelis have quite an intelligence operation going on here in the USA. I think it repeats at midnight EST.
2 posted on 12/11/2001 6:26:21 PM PST by esther2
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To: esther2
Said the Israelis have quite an intelligence operation going on here in the USA.

I'm sure we have quite an intelligence operation going on there, but if we had info on an incoming attack, we would have told them. If true, I find this particularly disturbing. Its rather personal: I am a huge supporter of Israel and often find myself arguing that the U.S. should allow them to kill Arafat. If the report is true, it would be a definite stab in the back.

3 posted on 12/11/2001 6:28:38 PM PST by Heisenburger
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To: Heisenburger
Oh, I totally agree. I forget which reporter did the story, but he referenced Israel's "survival instinct." Well, okay, fine. We ARM them and give them aid so they can survive. Not to mention how many times we've up for them at the UN. I'm sure it's been a topic of discussion.
4 posted on 12/11/2001 6:33:39 PM PST by esther2
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To: esther2
Hmmmm... Interference.

Disinformation.

Is James Carville working for Al-Qaeda now?

6 posted on 12/11/2001 6:46:16 PM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer
Maybe the Ragin' Cajun is working for Osama, but the story was also talking about the 60 Israelis that have been arrested. Apparently that's how the FBI figured this out.
7 posted on 12/11/2001 6:48:19 PM PST by esther2
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To: Heisenburger
link here

Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks

By David Wastell in Washington and Philip Jacobson in Jerusalem

(Filed: 16/09/2001)

ISRAELI intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent.

The attacks on the World Trade Centre's twin towers and the Pentagon were humiliating blows to the intelligence services, which failed to foresee them, and to the defence forces of the most powerful nation in the world, which failed to deflect them.

The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation.

"They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement," said a senior Israeli security official.

The CIA has said that it had no hard information that would have led to the prevention of the hijacking, but the FBI said it believed that cells operating within America and totalling at least 50 terrorists were behind last week's devastating hijacks; the names of new suspects are being added to the list daily.

America's intelligence agencies are being widely blamed for their failure to predict the attacks, or anything like them, and for not discovering any of the terrorist cells before the hijackings on Tuesday. Some of those who took part had lived in the US for months, or even years.

Evidence that a clear Israeli warning was delivered to American authorities, but ignored, would be a further blow to the reputation of the CIA, which is under fire for its failure last week.

An administration official in Washington said: "If this is true then the refusal to take it seriously will mean heads will roll. It is quite credible that the CIA might not heed a Mossad warning: it has a history of being overcautious about Israeli information."

8 posted on 12/11/2001 6:49:19 PM PST by mjp
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To: Heisenburger
Not sure what the "news" in that kind of story would be. After all even our intelligence people knew about the 9/11 attack several years in advance. It was all laid out in the trial of the terrorists who tried to blow up the WTC.

I mean - hey - this is NOT NEW!

The message was ignored by Bill Clinton and his fellow Clintonistas. They thought they'd solved the problem by blowing up an aspirin factory in Sudan.

Unfortunately that didn't quite work.

9 posted on 12/11/2001 6:50:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Weisbrot
Is it true that Cantor stayed home from work that day while Fitzgerald showed up at the office as usual? Who tipped him off?
10 posted on 12/11/2001 6:51:00 PM PST by Edmund Burke
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To: Heisenburger; OKCSubmariner
DUH where have you been? The Mossad warned clinton's cabinet and Billy the bomber. He blew them off. Go look at some links on my profile page.
11 posted on 12/11/2001 6:52:06 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Heisenburger
The reporter was Jim Angle. And the report was that Israeli intelligence have been monitoring Arab cells within the US for some time; but have not been cooperating with US Intel.

Further, the Fox report stated that a number of Israeli's had been detained.

Does this mean that Fox needs to be banned?

12 posted on 12/11/2001 6:52:16 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: Edmund Burke
That's sick.
13 posted on 12/11/2001 6:52:40 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Heisenburger
But most an old story because the CIA was tipped off by Israeli intelligence long before the attacks. The CIA ignored or didn't follow through.
14 posted on 12/11/2001 6:58:11 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Heisenburger
Of course, there's a huge difference between "something big and bad will happen soon -- but we're not sure where, in what form and on what date," and "on the morning of 9/11/01, hijacked planes will be flown into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and one unknown target."

Conspiracy fans (and I'm not calling you one) generally can't or won't make that distinction.

15 posted on 12/11/2001 6:59:36 PM PST by dighton
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To: Heisenburger
My question is would it have made any difference if we had ironclad proof on say 09/05/01 that the event was going to happen? I submit to you no it would not have mattered. Some liberal suck federal judge would have ordered the suspects release. Or ALCU would have filed a friend of the court brief. Given the PC climate in the US pre-09/11/01 I think having the ironclad proof would only have postponed the act.
16 posted on 12/11/2001 7:03:00 PM PST by vladog
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To: Heisenburger
"The Fox ticker at the bottom of the screen is reporting that Israeli intelligence may have known about the September 11th attacks beforehand and yet didn't tell the U.S."

I don't believe it. I flat out don't believe it.

Thanks to the Freeper who posted in response that Israel did in fact report details in advance about the possibility of a major terrorist operation with links to Osama bin Laden. Too bad the paper pushers at the FBI, CIA etc. let dreams of future promotions and bonuses cloud their judgement.

17 posted on 12/11/2001 7:03:23 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz
As for Fox News, what kind of half-baked reporting would announce, "Israeli intelligence *may* have known."

May have known? They either did or they didn't, and where is the proof, and why is the info being broadcast in this irresponsible fashion.

18 posted on 12/11/2001 7:05:49 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: dighton
Of course, there's a huge difference between "something big and bad will happen soon -- but we're not sure where, in what form and on what date," and "on the morning of 9/11/01, hijacked planes will be flown into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and one unknown target."

Conspiracy fans (and I'm not calling you one) generally can't or won't make that distinction.

Agreed. I would bet the CIA knew something was going to happen at some point, but had no idea what, when, or where and who was going to be involved. The claim that the CIA knew exactly what was going to happen on September 11 is pure madness. Of course, what can one expect from the same people who claim the U.S. knew Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. In that case, like September 11, U.S. intelligence were fairly sure an attack was coming, but they thought the target would be the Phillipines.

19 posted on 12/11/2001 7:10:46 PM PST by Heisenburger
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To: Heisenburger
MYSTERY SOLVED

Israeli intelligence DID know something about the attacks--and they also told the CIA (according to the Jerusalem Post).

20 posted on 12/11/2001 7:14:49 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Heisenburger
Yes, they knew an attack would help Israel...but, don't think they are crazy enough to risk us finding out about it.
21 posted on 12/11/2001 7:21:37 PM PST by cactmh
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To: Heisenburger
I recall a NYPost article where a Brooklyn school kid (Islamic) said to one of his classmates, "See those towers? They won't be there tomorrow". Sorry for the lack of link. In those days, so much was happening, that I didn't save every issue. But I do have some, and I will review them.
22 posted on 12/11/2001 7:21:56 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: CSSAlabama
OH-OH-'KKK' (CROSS BURNER) ALERT!!!!!!
27 posted on 12/11/2001 8:09:39 PM PST by Cuban123
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To: CSSAlabama
The only thing I can say is that I thought it odd that many more hadn't been sacrificed. The towers held at least 40K people when full on a busy business day. Of course the time of the first attack was a bit early. But then, why was that? Poor planning or the beneficience of Allah?
28 posted on 12/11/2001 8:11:12 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Heisenburger
THINK ABOUT IT. Why on Earth would Israel not tell us. Makes no sense. Like us, they get zillions of threats ... if they did get it, they must not have thought it was legit.
29 posted on 12/11/2001 8:11:39 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Heisenburger
Check this out. Did Jeb Bush know about the attacks on Sept. 7th?

Excerpt from here RE EXEC ORDER #2001-261.

. "Section 6.

This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 7th day of September 2001."

31 posted on 12/11/2001 8:47:33 PM PST by eazdzit
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To: Hildy
More importantly, what if they did tell us?!!!!!!!!!

See post #31. Jeb Bush declared Marshal Law in Florida on the 7th of Sept. 4 days before the WTC attacks.

32 posted on 12/11/2001 8:53:45 PM PST by eazdzit
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To: Heisenburger
Well I think it's irresponsible of Fox to report something like this in that manner. IMHO something like that (if it were real) would be a huge story, breaking news, they wouldn't report it like that; that's why I don't think it's real.

If it were true, it would certainly affect the way I look at the Israeli government, but I sincerely, sincerely doubt that it is true.
33 posted on 12/11/2001 9:40:03 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: Heisenburger
Saw the 12am repeat of Brit Hume's Fox News Special Report. This story was an eye opener. And part of a "four part series" I believe he said.

The reporter is Carl Cameron.

I'd post a link but can't find anything on the foxnews site about this story.

It was a lot more than just a blip on the ticker. Brit Hume started with a reference to Pollard. Some outrageous stuff: they put up a map of the USA and marked 10? 20? states with suspected Israeli intelligence operative groups. They listed just about every major govt agency as being "targeted" by these groups. They gave a description of one group as posing as "art students". Another was selling toys at malls nationwide. Foxnews called the toy operation a "front". Apparently the company closed all of its mall "kiosks" fast and put up an excuse on their website. I can't remember the address. Fox showed the site and quoted from it.

Carl Cameron quoted from several sources various what I would call fairly outrageous accusations. Think the title of this thread is misleading. The real gist of the story was the existence of a very aggressive coordinated nationwide network of foreign intelligence agents.

There was mention at least twice I believe that in CA the Israelis were spying on Arab groups. This was a relief. But the other parts of the story were about US agencies being targeted. A long list!

Seems Foxnews is the most pro-Israel news on TV. Especially Brit Hume's show. That's why this was more of a shock. Think these are the last people in the media who are going to spread wild rumors about the Israelis.

As grownups we gotta recognize allies spy on each other. It's part of the game but this story pissed me off! I will tune in tomorrow and see what part II says.

34 posted on 12/11/2001 10:09:33 PM PST by XpandTheEkonomy
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To: Heisenburger
Israel has always shared intelligence with the US. Something's off here.
35 posted on 12/11/2001 10:42:29 PM PST by brat
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To: Heisenburger
An American-Israeli shipping company with offices in the WTC moved to new quarters in Norfolk, Virginia on September 1. You figure it out.

I discovered that one in a Wall Street Journal graphic up after the attacks which listed all the tenants in the WTC, their square footage, amount of employees, etc.

37 posted on 12/11/2001 11:27:18 PM PST by Fulbright
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To: Ol' Sparky
There was a story at the end of August on various internet news services saying that the jihadists had something big planned. It was hardly secret as friends of mine retrurning from Tokyo said that security was much heavier returning home than going there.
39 posted on 12/12/2001 12:21:12 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Heisenburger
When the "spinners" get to this it should be a sight to see!
……FOX is owned by a Saudi Prince
……FOX is a left-wing pro-Arab network
……Brit Hume is a front for David Duke
……Brit Hume has sold out to the Hollywood lefties
…… Fake! Fake! …… No source - No source ……
It'll be fun to watch! ……:-)
40 posted on 12/12/2001 1:29:09 AM PST by MACD
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To: MACD; The Documentary Lady
Sources - Congressional hearings and "They Dare to Speak Out".

Ah yes -- Paul Findley - the EX-Congressman who whines about the 'Israel/Jewish Lobby' - snicker.

I think I'll need a tinfoil hat for this thread. You guys have one I can borrow?

41 posted on 12/12/2001 4:21:02 AM PST by veronica
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To: Hildy
THINK ABOUT IT. Why on Earth would Israel not tell us. Makes no sense.

How about maybe they didn't want us to know how pervasive their spying is in this country?

I saw the report - it was by Carl Cameron - but it went by so quickly that I don't remember the details. Unfortunately, Fox News doesn't post a transcript. But there is supposed to be a follow on this evening. In fact Carl's report was mentioned as the first of four parts (I think).

I was livid after I heard the report. Apparently many of the Israeli "spys" are being detained and some of them are Israeli military personnel.

I hope that this doesn't get swept under the rug.

42 posted on 12/12/2001 4:36:16 AM PST by jackbill
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To: XpandTheEkonomy
Good report.

One thing that I remember Carl saying was whether the Israeli spys knew about the WTC incident before 9/11. He quoted someone - I don't remember if by name or position (I was so livid at this point that I wasn't registering well). This person said "How could they not know?"

The "spys" that were working the malls were selling little "helicopter" toys from their kiosks. They apparently disappeared overnight.

44 posted on 12/12/2001 4:42:41 AM PST by jackbill
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To: veronica
I think I'll need a tinfoil hat for this thread. You guys have one I can borrow?

Did you see the report? If not, maybe you should shut your mouth. But then, you don't want to be bothered by details, do you?

45 posted on 12/12/2001 4:44:48 AM PST by jackbill
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To: Heisenburger; jackbill; Hildy; All
Try here: Israeli Intelligence Agency (Mossad) warned CIA of attacks - CIA did not heed warning
47 posted on 12/12/2001 4:48:04 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Heisenburger
The US State Dept issued a warning on Sept 10. We got a copy of it here at the university to send to our overseas students.
48 posted on 12/12/2001 4:48:17 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Dec31,1999
It was early, and there WAS, if you'll remember, almost an hour for the folks to get out of Tower One and almost two hours for them to get out of Tower Two.
49 posted on 12/12/2001 4:50:29 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Harvard Man
More wingnuttia from you.

I did think your gif of Zinni was rather clever.

You should stay away from fantasy posts. 'They' might be watching. Snicker.

50 posted on 12/12/2001 4:50:37 AM PST by veronica
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