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Celebrating 470 years of an ongoing miracle, the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe 1531
Catholic History | 12 12 2001 | Cap'n Crunch

Posted on 12/12/2001 7:21:41 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch

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To: sinkspur
'Blest are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of slander against you because of me. Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is great in heaven; they persecuted the prophets before you in the very same way.'
151 posted on 12/12/2001 12:23:20 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: newgeezer
Thanks. Sorry to be such a Berean but, do you have a Scripture reference for that, please?

It's right after the reference to "Bible alone". :-)

152 posted on 12/12/2001 12:23:28 PM PST by conservonator
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To: eastsider
sorry about that ...wtc911 got me a bit irate...he seems to be carrying a grudge as opposed to wanting to be in a genuine lighthearted discussion...had no recourse but to attack back....peace out.
153 posted on 12/12/2001 12:28:44 PM PST by Delbert
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To: conservonator
> Thanks. Sorry to be such a Berean but, do you have a Scripture reference for that, please?

It's right after the reference to "Bible alone". :-)

And no doubt very near to the reference giving the pope du jour carte blanche to make it up as he goes. ;-)

Whoa; never thought I'd ever use four French words in a row, let alone correctly(?). 3:30 PM...better switch to decaf.

154 posted on 12/12/2001 12:36:48 PM PST by newgeezer
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To: sinkspur
I expect to get them no matter what I say. FR is not much more than a p*ssing match.
155 posted on 12/12/2001 12:36:52 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: Cap'n Crunch

156 posted on 12/12/2001 12:40:40 PM PST by d4now
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To: biblewonk
FR is not much more than a p*ssing match.

Well, next time you come on a Catholic thread accusing Catholics of not being "Christian," make sure you drink lots of water.

157 posted on 12/12/2001 12:41:34 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Delbert
I've been there plenty of times myself : )
158 posted on 12/12/2001 12:44:10 PM PST by eastsider
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To: sinkspur
LOL.
159 posted on 12/12/2001 12:46:46 PM PST by d4now
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To: sinkspur; biblewonk
Well, next time you come on a Catholic thread accusing Catholics of not being "Christian," make sure you drink lots of water.

Using the To n links, I have followed this thread all the way back (and had some great laughs along the way; you da man, 'Wonk!!). However, I can't find where biblewonk "accused Catholics of not being Christian."

160 posted on 12/12/2001 1:12:32 PM PST by newgeezer
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To: Delbert
Your "comment" was a lame attempt to joke about the Holy Family. You still don't see the disrespect in that regardless of what branch of Christianity you profess.

btw I have not posted a word about my beliefs on the subject, just my disappointment at what you think is funny. Good luck to you.

161 posted on 12/12/2001 1:17:28 PM PST by wtc911
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To: newgeezer
However, I can't find where biblewonk "accused Catholics of not being Christian."

Go to Post #71 where patriot71 makes the following statement:

I do, however, have problems with those who believe something and then try to pass it off as sound Christian theology, and then get pi$$ed when you point out that's it not sound, nor is it Biblical at all.

Biblewonk then says "the OTHER thing they do..."

He agrees with him.

162 posted on 12/12/2001 1:27:54 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Cap'n Crunch
I see where the confusion is, yes, wherever Jesus is, His Mother is there also. For Catholics we know that if a Church is built Jesus will be recieved in Holy Communion and always present in the taberacle. In this appearance of Our Lady, she appears pregnant, in fact she is a living tabernacle.

Look, I'll be totally honest with you. I am an evangelical Christian, have done some research into the RCC using their own material - the online Catholic encyclopedia, RCC catechism etc - and I have some serious issues with a lot of it. I'm not here to attack you, always like a constructive discussion, but just wanted to be honest up front. I don't usually post on these threads, but your post caught my eye and raised questions.

That said, I am not familiar with the Guadalupe appearance (I have read about others, approved ones and otherwise) - Mary appears pregnant? WHY would she do that? Jesus is the risen Lord - He is not in the womb. That seems counterproductive to me, as if He is hidden away and the emphasis is taken away from Him. And to say she is a living tabernacle is a little hard to handle - maybe she was at one time, but she is no longer pregnant - why be represented as such?

Also, you said that you know that if a church is built, Jesus is there in the tabernacle. Are you referring to the temple that Mary requested be built to her? If so, why does she not say that he is to build a temple for Jesus? Is His presence to be assumed, as you said? Again the emphasis is drawn away.

In the Gospel, the angel appeared to Mary to announce the birth of Jesus, Mary brought Jesus to us when she said yes to God. Mary also brings Jesus to us when she appears, just like she did at Guadalupe. We can be like Elizabeth when Mary went to visit her, or like John the Baptist who was sanctified in Elizabeths womb when Mary spoke to her.

If Mary had said no, God would have found another willing vessel and we would be talking about her right now instead, don't you think? So in that sense, Mary didn't "bring" Jesus to us. And why does she need to bring Jesus to us when she appears? Especially in the form of an unborn child. Where is the gospel message in that? In fact, since I am not familiar with the Guadalupe appearance, is the gospel message found in Mary's words at all?

No doubt you didn't expect to get into this when you made your post. :) Honestly no attack intended, just seeking perspective for stuff I find incredible. And I find the fact that Jesus is not mentioned at all to be pretty hard to accept. You'd think that Mary's presence/involvement would be the one that was assumed rather than focused on. Sorry, the questions just sort of snowballed. Thanks.

163 posted on 12/12/2001 1:44:30 PM PST by agrace
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To: Cap'n Crunch
I laughed my ass off reading that one. What a bunch of hogwash. Hey, I saw Jesus on a water tower once. Or it might have been Vince Lombardi, I'm not sure. Sort of looked like Jesus, though. Anyone who believes in this superstitious nonsense, or Fatima, or water tower images, is a fool. But what do I know, I am just a clown.
164 posted on 12/12/2001 1:53:03 PM PST by JoJo the Clown
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Peggy Noonan mentioned this miracle in an article regarding the impending meeting betweem President Bush and President Fox earlier this year. I bookmarked the site and have spent many an evening perusing this enchanting story.

Y'all go there ya'here!

166 posted on 12/12/2001 2:07:31 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: agrace
I welcome your questions and will try to answer them as best I can in a few words. There is much reading to be done by people much more learned than I am who can explain better. I recommend reading some books if you are interested. It is entirely Biblical.

That being said, yes, you are right, Jesus is the risen Lord, I agree 100%. Interesting we are in the Christmas season and there are mangers all over showing the Infant Jesus. We all know that Jesus is not an infant anymore so why do we depict Him as such? It helps us remember.

Our Lady of Guadalupe is also known as Our Lady of the Americas. Perhaps God in His wisdom chose to present Mary pregnant because He forsaw that the great evil of abortion would shadow our land. Also, there are pictures of Jesus with His Mother when he was an infant, a child, a young man, after His death and after His resurrection. I suppose only God knows why He chose to depict Our Lady this way. I don't believe that it takes anything away from Jesus, do you? After all, Jesus was concieved in Mary's womb.

The Church that was built was not 'for' Mary. I'm sure you've noticed that most Catholic Church's are named after saints, I for instance attend St. Anthony of Padua, we honor saints by naming Church's after them, thats all. It is not 'for' them, the Church's are for the people to come together in. Jesus is always present in the tabernacle.

Where is the Gospel message of Jesus in Mary's womb? (I think that was your last question) In Luke. When Mary went 'with haste' to her cousin Elizabeth and John the Baptist was sanctified when Mary spoke to Elizabeth. "the moment your greeting sounded in my ears, the child within me leapt for joy."

Perhaps you will hear Our Lady's voice and Jesus will bless you also, as He sanctified John the Baptist, when He was still in His Mother's womb.

167 posted on 12/12/2001 2:34:52 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: JoJo the Clown
Then I will be quite content being a fool, thank you.
168 posted on 12/12/2001 2:37:12 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: analog
LOL, I'm sure there are some priests who doubt the story, there are priests who doubt the True presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Sad to see that in these times one can find a priest who will tell you anything.

And of course there are people who do not believe it, and they do not have too, thats fine with me.

I believe it, millions of others believe it. Pope John Paul II believes it, thats enough for me.

169 posted on 12/12/2001 2:40:21 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
When Columbus sailed to the Americas his ships were (of course) the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. I understand it means "the girl, Holy Mary, paints herself." And that is exactly what Our Lady did, she left us a painting of herself.

Thanks Cap'n. I did not know that.

Our Lord will certainly thank you some day for so strongly defending his mother!

170 posted on 12/12/2001 2:55:58 PM PST by IM2Phat4U
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Hello again. :) You said

That being said, yes, you are right, Jesus is the risen Lord, I agree 100%. Interesting we are in the Christmas season and there are mangers all over showing the Infant Jesus. We all know that Jesus is not an infant anymore so why do we depict Him as such? It helps us remember.

We are human, and we tend to need remembrences for different things. We commemorate many things for various reasons - that was not my question. I asked why MARY would present herself this way. If your answer is that possibly she herself knew that we would need a reminder, then I say that there are far more suitable reminders of the gospel - namely the risen Lord Himself...which brings us back around to my initial question - if Jesus is not shown in the message, how will others know He is there?

Where is the Gospel message of Jesus in Mary's womb? (I think that was your last question) In Luke. When Mary went 'with haste' to her cousin Elizabeth and John the Baptist was sanctified when Mary spoke to Elizabeth. "the moment your greeting sounded in my ears, the child within me leapt for joy."

No, I think you misunderstood. I was not asking where in Mary's womb was the gospel message, I was asking where in the Guadalupe message from Mary do we find the gospel message. Where in Mary's words do we find that she explains that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life? Rather we see her claiming to be everything that we need in and of herself. If you think that is a stretch, I reference the words of your post -

"Listen and let it penetrate your heart, my dear little son, do not be troubled or weighed down with grief. Do not fear any illness or vexation, anxiety or pain. Am I not here who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not your fountain of life? Are you not in the folds of my mantle? In the crossing of my arms? Is there anything else you need?"

Here she says that she can keep him from illness, worry and pain. She can protect him and maintain his life. She asks if there is anything else that he needs, totally suggesting that she can provide it, whatever it may be. NO mention of Jesus Christ as the provider of anything. One not familiar with Christianity would in no way glean His presence in this message. It is simply not possible.

But to answer your answer - I see nothing in your Luke reference which indicates the gospel message as we find it in, for example, John 3.

One other comment, as I read again the words of Mary, with regard to the temple you said

The Church that was built was not 'for' Mary. I'm sure you've noticed that most Catholic Church's are named after saints, I for instance attend St. Anthony of Padua, we honor saints by naming Church's after them, thats all. It is not 'for' them, the Church's are for the people to come together in. Jesus is always present in the tabernacle.

However, Mary herself said

"...I ardently desire that a temple be built here for me where I will show and offer all my love, my compassion, my help and my protection to the people. I am your merciful Mother, the Mother of all who live united in this land, and of all mankind, of all those who love me, of those who cry to me, of those who have confidence in me. Here I will hear there weeping and sorrows, and will remedy and alleviate their sufferings, necessites and misfortunes."

SHE will offer all HER love, HER compassion, HER help, HER protection. He is to love HER, cry out to HER, have confidence in HER. SHE will hear their crying, SHE will ease their pain, SHE will provide their necessities and SHE will rectify their misfortunes. She said she wanted a temple built FOR HER, and then proceeded to say what SHE would do in it if obeyed, not what Jesus would do, not even what Jesus would do through her. It certainly sounds like the temple is for her, and once again, Jesus is sorely lacking, and to the uninformed potential convert, there is NO way that Jesus would be found in what is given.

Thanks for the response.

173 posted on 12/12/2001 3:43:45 PM PST by agrace
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To: agrace
SHE will offer all HER love, HER compassion, HER help, HER protection. He is to love HER, cry out to HER, have confidence in HER. SHE will hear their crying, SHE will ease their pain, SHE will provide their necessities and SHE will rectify their misfortunes. She said she wanted a temple built FOR HER, and then proceeded to say what SHE would do in it if obeyed, not what Jesus would do, not even what Jesus would do through her. It certainly sounds like the temple is for her, and once again, Jesus is sorely lacking, and to the uninformed potential convert, there is NO way that Jesus would be found in what is given.

Sounds like it's all about HER! She's beginning to look like a Clinton... (Has she requested a library?)

Just being,

175 posted on 12/12/2001 3:58:11 PM PST by Silly
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To: Cap'n Crunch
You know, we should really start a pool every time a "Catholic" thread is started to see how long it takes for the first Catholic-basher to post.
176 posted on 12/12/2001 4:02:57 PM PST by soccermom
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To: Cap'n Crunch

177 posted on 12/12/2001 4:05:10 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Cap'n Crunch; AsYouAre
Just for fun, I posted the words of a beautiful song about Mary. And I won't apologize for recognizing Mary's role in Salvation History.

Go ahead and believe what you believe, but don't disrespect my religion. I don't need you to try to save my soul because God already sent His Only beloved Son and He gave him a real human mother. Not someone to worship but yes, someone to love, respect and emulate.

Woman Who Says Yes

"Mary, maiden true,
Woman who says yes,
Pray for us now
And at the hour of our death.
Please, bring us to Jesus, our Lord and Master true.
Your Son and your God,
The One for W.hom you live.

In the fullness of our time,
A woman bore a son.
Found to be with child but protected by her husband's love,
She dared to say: "yes" to the angel's way;
Such courage, and strength, and grace!

"Mary, be not afraid",
Were Gabriel's words that day,
"Highly favored one, pure bearer of the Holy Son.
Spouse of the Holy Spirit,
Covered by His Love.
Magnify the Lord now,
Bring joy to everyone.

Fr. Jim McKearney

178 posted on 12/12/2001 4:26:45 PM PST by tiki
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To: agrace
I asked why MARY would present herself this way. If your answer is that possibly she herself knew that we would need a reminder, then I say that there are far more suitable reminders of the gospel - namely the risen Lord Himself...which brings us back around to my initial question - if Jesus is not shown in the message, how will others know He is there?

I would instead ask, why has God always used humans? Everyone knows that He could have done it all Himself. We understand and believe that there is an omnipotent God, but as humans we relate with and better understand relationships with humans. If you were truly knowledgable about Salvation History you would know that Mary always leads people to her Son. That God used her as a conduit that humans can understand and relate to.

179 posted on 12/12/2001 4:42:17 PM PST by tiki
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To: Cap'n Crunch
The song lyrics are my reply to you, not the top part.
180 posted on 12/12/2001 4:43:45 PM PST by tiki
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Thanks for posting the story of Our lady of guadalupe . I was trying to compose a summary myself, but this is really great .
The studies of the images in the eyes are convincing ,even more so than the survival of the tilma itself for over 400 years, even surviving the bomb that melted the candlesticks .
181 posted on 12/12/2001 4:46:42 PM PST by dadwags
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To: agrace
Sorry for the miscommunication. I think part of the problem is you don't understand Mary from a Catholic perspective. To me Our Lady makes perfect sense. We view Our Lady as an intercessor, a go between from us to Jesus.

Let me try to answer your question again. "If Jesus is not shown in the message, how will others know He is there?" From a catholic perspective, Mary NEVER says anything or does anything contrary to the will of God. She is the Theotokos. So, right off the bat we know that Our Lady is in perfect conformity to the will of God.

I think that will help alot, if you can realize our undestanding and acceptance of Mary as intercessor.

Also, in the Eucharist we do not see Jesus, yet He is present; Body, Blood Soul and Divinity. Our Lady of Guadalupe is pregnant, carrying Jesus in her womb, to us Jesus is there.

I have heard apologists say that the perspective of Catholics and Protestants is different. With Protestants it is the "either/or" thinking, ie it's either Jesus or Mary, in which case it can only be Jesus.

Catholics think in a "both/and" perspective. It is both Jesus and Mary.

Of course we do not think of Mary as God, we think of her as intercessor. But she is with her Son, as she is in the Gospel.

So I think that is a part of the miscommunication/misunderstanding. With our view of Mary as intercessor, to us it makes perfect sense.

I don't know if that answer will be sufficient for you, like I said, there are many more learned people than I, including saints and doctors of the Church who are much more eloquent than I who can give you a better understanding.

Best wishes.

182 posted on 12/12/2001 5:10:26 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: HDMZ
Thank you for the beautiful pictures of Our Lady, they really picked me up. I have the picture of Our Lady at home in a frame like the photo in post 173 (?)
183 posted on 12/12/2001 5:12:29 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Delbert
Neither of them were holy.

They were Holy, through Christ.

184 posted on 12/12/2001 5:18:38 PM PST by tiki
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To: soccermom
LOL, it didn't take long on this post, number 2 or 3 I think. Right out of the gate.
185 posted on 12/12/2001 5:19:29 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Thanks!

Isn't she wonderful?

Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mystical Rose, make intercession for our Holy Church, protect the sovereign Pontiff, help all those who invoke you in their necessities, and since you are ever Virgin Mary and Mother of the true God, obtain for us from your most Holy Son the grace of keeping our faith, of sweet hope in the midst of the bitterness of life, of burning charity, and the precious gift of final perseverance. Amen.

186 posted on 12/12/2001 5:24:41 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: tiki
Thank you for the song, I was just looking around for my book "The Secret of the Rosary" by St. Louis De Montfort in which he has a prayer about the Hail Mary. When I find it I'll post it. It's a good one.
187 posted on 12/12/2001 5:27:28 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: dadwags
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Isn't it fantastic the lengths which God will go for us?

I remember when I read the story for the first time when Our Lady called Juan Diego "my little son", melted this heart of stone.

Ave Maria Virgo Fidelis

Thank you Jesus, for giving us your Mother to be our Mother also.

188 posted on 12/12/2001 5:33:48 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
You know what a few years ago a bunch of mexicans claimed to see an image on a window on the south side of chicago. They showed it on the news and it looked like humidity on a window, nothing special. Humans are suspect to imagination IMO. It is like seeing an image in the clouds.
189 posted on 12/12/2001 5:38:22 PM PST by Dengar01
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Thank you for posting this.
190 posted on 12/12/2001 5:38:26 PM PST by MozartLover
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To: Dengar01
re: the image was claimed to be Mary (Our Lady of Guadalupe) , I'm a nondenominational protestant so I don't believe in it. Doesn't mean I'm bashing Catholisism, just doesn't go along with my belief in the Bible, my view is that the Holy One is Jesus Christ.
191 posted on 12/12/2001 5:40:01 PM PST by Dengar01
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To: al_c
I am not a Catholic, but I truly believe that God can manifest Himself in many mysterious ways.

I also believe that, as some have said, Mary will play a role in converting Islamists - Fatima seems to play a major part in this.

192 posted on 12/12/2001 5:48:13 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: MozartLover
Your welcome. I had to do something for Our Lady today, she has done so much for me.
193 posted on 12/12/2001 5:55:58 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: philosofy123
unenbigous

Very Orwellian. Do you perhaps mean, "unambiguous" - not a word, according to Webster's. Ambiguous - "not clear"; unambiguous - clear?

194 posted on 12/12/2001 5:57:32 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: Dengar01
But hey, you gotta admit, this is more than a little humidity on a window. :-)

Really, you have to read the books. One of the books I have that I recommend is "The Wonder of Guadalupe" by Francis Johnston, available from TAN books and publishers. They have a website.

195 posted on 12/12/2001 6:00:18 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: IM2Phat4U
Your welcome also. There is so much more. I have another book that goes much more in depth. Also, St. Michael the Archangel appeared 100 years later on Tepeyac hill. I have barely scratched the surface on this post.

Best wishes. And thank you for the prophetic blessing!

196 posted on 12/12/2001 6:06:18 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
I'm sure that Our Lady can use this to touch someone...

----

After reading this post, I can safely say to you "Mission accomplished." Thank you so much for posting it, it meant more to me than I can tell you. Pax domini sit semper vobiscum.

197 posted on 12/12/2001 6:08:12 PM PST by Proud2BAmerican
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To: Proud2BAmerican
Thank you. I'm happy that so many have enjoyed it. Who could not love such a tender Mother?

Peace be with you.

198 posted on 12/12/2001 6:15:48 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: tiki
I would instead ask, why has God always used humans? Everyone knows that He could have done it all Himself. We understand and believe that there is an omnipotent God, but as humans we relate with and better understand relationships with humans. If you were truly knowledgable about Salvation History you would know that Mary always leads people to her Son. That God used her as a conduit that humans can understand and relate to.

I believe that you are sidestepping the specifics of my question by responding the way you have. Your comments have very little to do with the issue, which is that of Mary appearing as a pregnant woman. Of course God uses humans. The point is that in this particular message, there is no glorification of Jesus (aside from the single reference to the Almighty, and that doesn't even address Jesus by name) but rather it appears to glorify Mary. I know that is the standard reaction from non-catholics when looking at this kind of thing but honestly I can't interpret it any other way.

199 posted on 12/12/2001 6:49:03 PM PST by agrace
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To: sinkspur; newgeezer; biblewonk
I'm cruisin along looking to see how this thread "panned out" and . . . there I am being quoted.

However, sinkspur, you miss my point. I never said Roman Catholics were not Christian. You should not assume neither I nor biblewonk think that you are not Christians. I did say, what I said. If you have a sound Biblical and Theological basis for Mariology, then give it to me.

200 posted on 12/12/2001 7:01:23 PM PST by realpatriot71
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