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* * ARAB TERRORISM AGAINST ISRAELIS * * How the Arabs are killing the Jews
IDF ^ | 12.12.01 | IDF

Posted on 12/12/2001 3:33:03 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican

These statistics include casualties that occurred in operational activities or following hostile terrorist operations


















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The source link has EBB and FLOW charts that are updated daily. Hopefully the graphs and charts linked here will update dynamically as well.

For every 1 Israeli murdered, it is the equivalent of 45 Americans being murdered (45:1 ~ratio)

The Israeli's live with 9-11 daily.

1 posted on 12/12/2001 3:33:03 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: dennisw; Nachum; TrueBeliever9; American in Israel; MindBender26; Howlin; Texaggie79; veronica...
FYI (anyone got a good ping list handy?)
2 posted on 12/12/2001 3:34:57 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: BenF; ObjetD'art; Sabramerican
FYI
3 posted on 12/12/2001 3:38:22 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Part of this is the fault of some Israelis: Rabin, Peres, and the rest of the leftist leaders and those who support them. They are the architects of the destruction; Netanyahu, Sharon, and the rightists who fail to do what must be done. To tell the truth about the leftists, civil war be damned; and, the religious leaders who fail to declare the truth about to whom Israel belongs and what needs to be done. There is a small minority of religious right-wingers who are blameless. Otherwise, the Israelis made their own bed together with those who seek their destruction. More than anything else, they are guilty of having no faith.
4 posted on 12/12/2001 3:44:08 PM PST by BenF
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To: BenF
What's your point?
5 posted on 12/12/2001 3:53:45 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: BenF
That's exactly the way I feel.

The Israeli Gov. is now also responsible for every Jewish death. They need to put a stop to this without any consideration of World consequence. Otherwise every Israeli death is on them too.

6 posted on 12/12/2001 3:57:15 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The Israeli's live with 9-11 daily.

Sadly, so true.

7 posted on 12/12/2001 3:57:33 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; monkeyshine...
Great post!
8 posted on 12/12/2001 4:02:44 PM PST by dennisw
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To: BenF
Part of this is the fault of some Israelis: Rabin, Peres, and the rest of the leftist leaders and those who support them.

This is the fault of the Clinton "peace plan," as well as the Clinton slime machine (Carville et al) meddling in Israel's elections and getting Barak elected.

There was not this kind of violence in Israel before Clinton got involved.

9 posted on 12/12/2001 4:40:02 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
Part of this is the fault of some Israelis: Rabin, Peres, and the rest of the leftist leaders and those who support them.

This is the fault of the Clinton "peace plan,"

Precisely- one of the deadlier clinton frauds....

10 posted on 12/12/2001 4:43:08 PM PST by backhoe
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
What's your point?

That Israel should do the right thing. People like Peres ought to be tried for treason and hung. Netanyahu and Sharon should resign from public life in shame and disgrace. The religious leaders who failed to do what they know in their hearts to be right should repent and tell the public the truth. The right-wingers who were right all along about the Arabs have earned the right to lead the nation.

It's a dream.

11 posted on 12/12/2001 5:23:19 PM PST by BenF
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To: dennisw
Yoooowie. Those charts are making my head spin.
12 posted on 12/12/2001 5:33:22 PM PST by Lent
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To: BenF
Bibi knows whats gotta be done at this point looks like Sharon might.
13 posted on 12/12/2001 5:36:34 PM PST by weikel
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Israel has been living through 9/11's since the 1920's, it is nothing new.
14 posted on 12/12/2001 5:39:47 PM PST by Mr. Snrub
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Hey that POD CD 'Satellite' is great. Good job with that video link to their video 'Alive'. On my DSL it's great.
15 posted on 12/12/2001 5:42:08 PM PST by Lent
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To: Sabramerican
Israelis will have to decide whether they're serious about their own survival.
16 posted on 12/12/2001 6:01:57 PM PST by onyx
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To: Lent
Thanks, it is one of my favorites. That and MWS's Secret Ambition (don't think I have it on there yet. It may be at Forefront)
17 posted on 12/12/2001 6:14:12 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Lent
Hey that POD CD 'Satellite' is great.

huh?

18 posted on 12/12/2001 6:25:12 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Lent
Ah, on his homepage. nevermind..
19 posted on 12/12/2001 6:26:00 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
bump!
20 posted on 12/12/2001 6:37:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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bttt
21 posted on 12/12/2001 7:47:12 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Excellent post, thank you!
22 posted on 12/12/2001 7:53:27 PM PST by Reborn
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To: dennisw
It seems really strange to see all these deaths reduced to cold charts and graphs.
I do wonder given the events of today if Israel is going to take off the gloves. At some point Israel is going to have to deal with these terrorist groups much lkie they have dealt with the frontline arab states.
23 posted on 12/12/2001 7:54:37 PM PST by Valin
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The liberal Jews are so stupid they'll continue to vote for the democrats. This will only help the terrorist arabs.
24 posted on 12/12/2001 7:55:58 PM PST by boycott
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To: dennisw
Yes, excellent post. Thanks very much, Dennis.
25 posted on 12/12/2001 8:00:40 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Valin
It has become commonplace for these tragedies to Israelis. We are shocked by 9.11

Will we be reduced to charts and graphs and only know our own pain as the Israelis know theirs as well?

Never forget.

26 posted on 12/12/2001 8:02:17 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The Israeli's live with 9-11 daily.

Excellent comment. Israeli's anger is being turned against their own government out of a deep sense of frusration. That's perfectly normal, and would happen here if we had a daily dose of 9/11.

27 posted on 12/13/2001 4:00:12 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: dennisw
bump
28 posted on 12/13/2001 4:01:09 AM PST by vrwc54
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bttt
29 posted on 12/13/2001 4:15:15 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Diogenesis
FYI
30 posted on 12/13/2001 5:06:05 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Nice set of charts. All those Israeli lives reduced to statistics...but, any method that helps people grasp the enormity of the Islamic terrorism in Israel serves the greater good.
31 posted on 12/13/2001 5:54:27 AM PST by beowolf
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To: beowolf
All those Israeli lives reduced to statistics

Is America heading that way?

32 posted on 12/13/2001 5:59:41 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: BenF
Thanks. Between this and our exchange in FR mail, I agree with your comments. Didn't cath the first one initially. Thanks.
33 posted on 12/13/2001 6:01:43 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Jeff Head; Grampa Dave; Alamo-Girl; *bang_list
ping
34 posted on 12/13/2001 6:03:11 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: BenF
Generally those who are willing to give land for peace, against the instructions given in the Torah, are giving aid and comfort to the adversary.
35 posted on 12/13/2001 6:06:03 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
God Bless Israel and America!!
36 posted on 12/13/2001 6:11:52 AM PST by MoJo2001
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
These IDF charts show that the vast majority of attacks occur in occupied territories, the West Bank and Gaza, which are recognized by the IDF as distinct from the Israeli homefront. The best way to eliminate attacks is to end Israel's hostile occupation of those territories. Withdraw all Israeli soldiers and settlers from the West Bank and Gaza. After that, strengthen security at the border to stop suspected terrorists from entering Israel.
37 posted on 12/13/2001 6:22:24 AM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: dennisw
This is the total war, but not the whole picture.

Subversion of right is evil, and if the end is evil, the mean is evil. Whether one uses democracy or violent attacks or even the constitution to undermine the right to exist and pray, all are illegal means of the total war for evil ends of subversion of rights.

Those graphics are a great first step to totaling the actions and actual organisation of the PA. It certainly is controled chaos. But the political attacks should also be tallied, they are even deadlier in the long run.

38 posted on 12/13/2001 6:37:41 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: BenF
Israelies need to own this reality..stand up and fight. Like 48,67,73 and 82. Partway..short term..this will get their attention.. type thinking is what is leaving them so vulnerable. The weakness and confusion shown must stop..or Israel will become some slow grave registry. Israel must view the Intifada as being no different than Mechanized forces from Egypt or Syria rolling over it's boarders in past conflict. Israel has to go in to area "A" and outright ROUTE the militants...make it so grevious..that the General Palistinian public want no more of this ....it is a war of will's..and clearly Israel is negligent in this matter. The daily murders..and the namby pamby responses are only demorilizing the heart of the Israeli nation. "Sharon...forget about your historical biography..and seize the moment..how much more do you need to see..before the lights come upstairs"! Take out the Palistinian radio sources...knock down their power grid..let them sit in the dark like the Serbs did for a time. Go in...sweep and sweep hard..house to house..get the weapons..round up and arrest. When engaged by Hamas and Hizbullah...go into Lebanon and "Give them a bloody nose"..make Lebanon and Syria howl....thats how you end this...go to the source.
39 posted on 12/13/2001 6:38:30 AM PST by Light Speed
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Looking at the graphs nearly all the attacks were against Israelis in the West Bank and Gaza since that territory should be under PA control why not move Israeli military and settlements back into Israel proper.

Tony

40 posted on 12/13/2001 6:42:05 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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Israeli "withdrawal" (of their own land) will not change the Palistinians goal; the destruction of the Jews. You could give ALL of Israel to the Pali's, it won't make a difference. Even Arafat says on his radio addresses in his native tongue that all Jews are to be killed.

I know: why not give all buildings over 40 stories high to Al Queda. That way they won't want to fly airplanes into them.

41 posted on 12/13/2001 6:55:16 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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FYI
42 posted on 12/13/2001 6:56:34 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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RBA thanks for posting this data. I believe that things have changed with GW re our policy towards the toleration of the Islamic Terrorists in Israel. Arafat has signed either his death warrant or at least a letter stating, "I have no power in the middle east. I'm just a figurehead, who gets world powers to condone the violence of terrorism. Terrorism of the vile Islamic groups who pay me a big salary to sway world opinion to condone Islamic terrorism against Israelis!"

Ernest, you may want to ping this incredible thread to one of the group indexes you have set up!

John, this needs to put on your list of letting the world of Free Republic know about this incredible post!

43 posted on 12/13/2001 6:58:42 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
re : I know: why not give all buildings over 40 stories high to Al Queda. That way they won't want to fly airplanes into them.

Yes very droll.

If you believe that the West Bank and Gaza is part of Israeli territory just say it.

Withdrawing to more defensible lines does not mean giving in, fighting an untenable position merely to safe face leads to whole sale defeat as history has shown over and over again.

Tony

44 posted on 12/13/2001 7:06:30 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Grampa Dave
Well, if Jesse Jackson ever steps down from Rainbow Push, we know who his capable replacement will be!
45 posted on 12/13/2001 7:06:32 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: tonycavanagh
One more time:

Israeli "withdrawal" (of their own land) will not change the Palistinians goal; the destruction of the Jews. You could give ALL of Israel to the Pali's, it won't make a difference. Even Arafat says on his radio addresses in his native tongue that all Jews are to be killed.

The Palis can go home to Syria/Lebanon.

46 posted on 12/13/2001 7:08:59 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Which one of the defenders of Islamic Terrorism in Israel on the board are you comparing to Je$$e?
47 posted on 12/13/2001 7:12:27 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Did I say it would.

One more time

Withdrawing to more defensible lines does not mean giving in.

The Palestine’s could call for the destruction of Israel until hell freezes over but it doesn’t mean they can destroy the strongest regional power in the Middle East.

You posted a graph I merely pointed out that the biggest causality list comes from the Gaza and the West Bank, does Israel militarily or economically need to be in both those areas if not then move out.

Tony

48 posted on 12/13/2001 7:15:57 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Israeli "withdrawal" (of their own land)

Even the IDF admits the West Bank and Gaza are not part of the Israeli homefront.

will not change the Palistinians goal; the destruction of the Jews.

The PA's goal is a sovereign Palestinian state and it will be realized when Israel finally tires of oppressing and destroying Palestinians, gives up dreams of territorial expansion, and ends the hostile Israeli occupation.

50 posted on 12/13/2001 7:23:29 AM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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