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Karl Rove: Stayaway Christians Almost Cost Bush Election
Charisma News ^ | 12/13/01

Posted on 12/13/2001 7:50:35 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

STAYAWAY CHRISTIANS ALMOST COST ELECTION

Many Christians believe that prayer played a major role in sending George W. Bush to the White House, but stayaway believers came close to losing him the election, according to his chief political adviser, Karl Rove.

Rove said that one reason the 2000 election was so tight was that as many as 4 million Christian conservatives did not go to the polls, reported "The Chicago Tribune." Although the Bush campaign had expected 19 million evangelical voters to vote for their man, election returns revealed only 15 million turned out to cast ballots.

Speaking yesterday at an American Enterprise Institute seminar, Rove said the Bush campaign "probably failed to marshal support of the base as well as we should have," said the "Tribune." Rove added: "But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."

Rove said that if the "process of withdrawal" went on it would be bad for the country as well as conservatives and Republicans. "It's something we have to spend a lot of time and energy on."


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KEYWORDS: 2000; christianvote; karlrove; napalminthemorning; rove; wot
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Same on us.
1 posted on 12/13/2001 7:50:35 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Hey Karl: there's a good way for the President to make Christians stay away in 2004 - keep appointing sodomites to high office.
2 posted on 12/13/2001 7:53:22 AM PST by wideawake
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Politically unreliable.
3 posted on 12/13/2001 7:53:34 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: wideawake
And pro-choicers.
4 posted on 12/13/2001 7:54:09 AM PST by ventana
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I hope there regreting not voting for President Bush today.

(It was my first vote for President.)

6 posted on 12/13/2001 7:55:13 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Very interesting and if Bush would have run on his beliefs instead of what his political consultants were telling him then he would have won the election in a landslide thanks to evangelical Christians.
7 posted on 12/13/2001 7:55:26 AM PST by truthandlife
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I believe a big part of it was the undisclosed past drunk driving problem that came to light late in the campaign. People on our side tend to demand our candidates be pure as newfallen snow.
8 posted on 12/13/2001 7:56:02 AM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Well, Karl...one of us must be wrong. Who do you suppose it is?
9 posted on 12/13/2001 7:56:13 AM PST by Romulus
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To: theoldright
Bush is a LIBERAL and you folks are suckers if you don't believe it.

It didn't take long for the everybody is a RINO crowd to start posting. (Funny, it's the same day Bush withdraws from ABM.)

10 posted on 12/13/2001 7:57:34 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
It seems that they understand the problem, but don't know the solution.

For over half a year, Republicans controlled both Houses and the White House, yet Partial Birth Abortion is still being committed on our children. When are they going to pursue the abolition of it? I see absolutely NO movement regarding abortion from the White House or Congressional Republicans.

What a shame!

11 posted on 12/13/2001 7:58:01 AM PST by lormand
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To: Gordian Blade
Re#8 Yep. That's why it was close and Zogby called it. Undecideds broke 2-1 for Gore in the final days, the reverse of what typically happens. The Clymers sure tried and almost succeeded...
12 posted on 12/13/2001 7:58:06 AM PST by eureka!
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To: theoldright
He celebrates heathen holidays in our sacred White House

And just when did the whitehouse become sacred?

13 posted on 12/13/2001 7:58:18 AM PST by Valin
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
bump for later
14 posted on 12/13/2001 7:58:32 AM PST by travelin_man
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
It's too bad that the Democrats openly campaign in churches and bus their folks to the polls, while our folks bitch and sit on their hands.

Four million voters, who are in essence saying that it makes no difference to them whether Gore or Bush won, is an enormous number.

15 posted on 12/13/2001 8:00:00 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: theoldright
Which heathen holiday are you speaking of, and what's sacred (in the religious sense) about the White House?
16 posted on 12/13/2001 8:00:34 AM PST by Polonius
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To: theoldright
Bush is a LIBERAL and you folks are suckers if you don't believe it.

Guess you would have been more happier with Gore in the White House, eh dumbass?

17 posted on 12/13/2001 8:01:02 AM PST by Bommer
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Rove added: "But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."

Going to the polls without any delusions is one of the most disheartening things a person can do.

Check out a recent Walter Williams article detailing the billions in pork spending that was passed "in the interest of national security."

You quickly come to realize that the "good guys" are only "good" because the bad guys are so abysmally bad.

In absolute moral terms, I wouldn't pee on most republicans if he was on fire. They are detestable parasites.

Their only good point is that republicans know that if they over do it, they kill the host and the party ends for everyone.

The democrats are so much worse because they hate their host and try to kill it, or at least their avarice is so great that it looks like murderous intent.

Republicans are like corrupt cops, democrats are violent home invaders.

18 posted on 12/13/2001 8:01:22 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: lormand
When are they going to pursue the abolition of it? I see absolutely NO movement regarding abortion from the White House or Congressional Republicans

They can't because of jumping Jim Jeffords(Dashcle controls the bills in the Senate now). The Republican Congress three times sent to Clinton a partial birth abortion ban and three times he vetoed it.

19 posted on 12/13/2001 8:02:29 AM PST by Dane
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To: Romulus
The more I read about Rove and the apparent extent of his influence in the Bush White House, the less and less I like him. I also think he was instrumental in GW's in less than wonderful ESCR decision.
20 posted on 12/13/2001 8:02:52 AM PST by independentmind
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To: 11th Earl of Mar; 4ConservativeJustices; billbears
Those Christians, they think they can pray a president in, but then forget to vote for whom they prayed for!???
21 posted on 12/13/2001 8:03:48 AM PST by Ff--150
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
A lot of the old farts refused to vote for Buch because of the "drunk driving" incident. John Zogby stated as much.

Bush needs to campaign like hell for his base voters in the South and West. If his popularity remains high, he will pick up Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, with Florida being safe.

22 posted on 12/13/2001 8:04:47 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I am absolutely a pro-life "conservative a Christian." However, I was and am a BROKEN GLASS REPUBLICAN. Nothing short of sudden death or alien abduction would have kept me from voting for George Bush and AGAINST Al Gore last year--NOTHING!!! Any Christian staying home on any election day "in protest" in effect helps put more amoral-abortion-loving-leftist-socialists Godless Democrats in office. It's a STUPID, STUPID self defeating strategy of "win the battle, lose the war."

I don't agree with all of President Bush's policies, and I wish he WAS stronger in his pro-life stance. HOWEVER, I think he's a WONDERFUL president and I stand behind him 100%. I also thank God every day that lying, gutless woosy--man Al Gore is not Commander-In-Chief.

23 posted on 12/13/2001 8:04:54 AM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
so true Karl, always amazes me how these idiots think they are doing the right thing by letting the Democraps take over...yea...that will really "teach" us. The Dems are much wiser at realizing that change usually has to come incrementally, not the "bull in a china shop" method.

Now watch me get flamed...proof of what I'm saying.

24 posted on 12/13/2001 8:05:43 AM PST by Keith
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To: Bommer
There are some people who get their jollies from being kicked around by their enemies. Bolsters their "faith."
26 posted on 12/13/2001 8:06:40 AM PST by lavrenti
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To: theoldright
Are you under the impression that Bush is the president of JUST Christians?
27 posted on 12/13/2001 8:06:52 AM PST by Howlin
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To: theoldright; kristinn; ventana; wideawake; truthandlife; Romulus; lormand
Bump! Right on the money all of you!
28 posted on 12/13/2001 8:07:12 AM PST by Scholastic
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
And imagine how many evangelicals would have been even less motivated had McInsane not forced Dubya to defend Christians in the primaries. If McInsane hadn't declared a fatwa against the religious right (with shouts of "amen" and "hallelujah" from the fawning press), Bush might have never reached out to Christians at all. Before this, he was all gushy about wanting to be friends with the Democrats, "compassionate conservative" and all that.

A good many fundamentalists probably decided, as I did, that regardless of Bush's flaws, the Clinton-Gore Crime Syndicate was a far worse option that had to be stopped at all cost.

29 posted on 12/13/2001 8:07:28 AM PST by Tall_Texan
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To: Clemenza
Re#22 and the drunk driving. The Clymers played it hard as "why didn't he tell us, why did he lie?" and "his daddy's read my lips" snafu. IMHO, after Clinton, many undecided voters balked on the trust issue as to W...
30 posted on 12/13/2001 8:07:31 AM PST by eureka!
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To: theoldright
"Bush is a LIBERAL and you folks are suckers if you don't believe it..."

Yea, keep voting for the Algores...they're closer to your views!

31 posted on 12/13/2001 8:07:47 AM PST by TRY ONE
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Let me see if I have this straight.

We stay home because the candidate doesn't go all the way in our beliefs, often on just one single issue. Meanwhile, others who could not have a decent conversation about the issues are dragged to the polls to vote. So, while those on our side sit on the sidelines as a matter of "principle," the other side gets elected and shoves everything we hate down our throats in droves and droves.

Do I have this right?

32 posted on 12/13/2001 8:07:51 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Dog Gone
Four million voters, who are in essence saying that it makes no difference to them whether Gore or Bush won, is an enormous number.

You'll soon see a list of those people; right here on this thread.

33 posted on 12/13/2001 8:07:52 AM PST by Howlin
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To: lormand
I see absolutely NO movement regarding abortion

I can't be overturned until a liberal justice retires. We just need Justice Stevens or Ginsburg to retire. I sure there people on FreeRepublic that think Al Gore would have been great.

34 posted on 12/13/2001 8:08:21 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: theoldright
"Bush is a LIBERAL and you folks are suckers if you don't believe it."

So, let me guess - you wrote in a vote for Lester Maddox?

35 posted on 12/13/2001 8:08:47 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: Dane
The Republican Congress three times sent to Clinton a partial birth abortion ban and three times he vetoed it.

That is precisely why pro-lifers tend to be so cynical about it. Republicans in Congress were all in favor of a late-term abortion ban when they knew Clinton would veto it, but their "courage" disappeared once the party was in a position to ensure that anything they passed would be signed into law.

36 posted on 12/13/2001 8:09:16 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
We can exchange insults all day long and persist in our illusions that all is well with our political party. In the meantime, there are four million voters (only 4 mill?) who think that all politics is corrupt and it doesn't make any difference who's in office. That number will increase, despite war time popularity surges for the Pubbies. The scandalous corruption of the US Congress continues unabated.
37 posted on 12/13/2001 8:09:30 AM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Keith
I'm not going to flame you; I am beginning to believe in separation of church and state.
38 posted on 12/13/2001 8:09:44 AM PST by Howlin
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To: rdb3
Do I have this right?

You forgot to add are given cigarettes to vote for Gore.

39 posted on 12/13/2001 8:10:21 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: theoldright
No delicate sensibilities here, just seeking clarification. So, which heathen celebrations are you speaking of?
40 posted on 12/13/2001 8:10:52 AM PST by Polonius
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To: truthandlife
"if Bush would have run on his beliefs instead of what his political consultants were telling him then he would have won the election in a landslide thanks to evangelical Christians."

Not necessarily. Did you factor in the people who DID vote for him but wouldn't have under your strategy?

41 posted on 12/13/2001 8:10:56 AM PST by Hari_Seldon
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To: theoldright
He makes no effort to roll back the tide of murdering the unborn. He is not actively advancing our agenda. Prayer in the schools -"wouldn't be prudent." More federal control of the shools -"a smashing idea." Bush is a LIBERAL and you folks are suckers if you don't believe it.

Glad you finally signed up to fight the good fight. Welcome to Free Republic! But I must ask, where were you in 1998 when we were getting deaths threats from LOR stockholders and wondering if the IRS or SS would call on us?

Btw...the "wouldn't be prudent" comment is a dead give away.

42 posted on 12/13/2001 8:11:01 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: theoldright
The 2000 Presidential campaign gave us a new term, "Clymer," with which to refer to left-wing media @ssholes.

The war against terrorism, likewise, has given us a new term, "Johnny Walker," with which to refer to Islamic fundamentalists in America who would destroy their own country and "kill" fellow citizens in the quest for self-righteous spiritual purity.

We need a term to describe Christian fundamentalists who would, in effect, do the same thing. How anyone in their right mind, and in light of current events, could believe that America would be better off if George W. Bush had not been elected President of the United States is beyond me.

43 posted on 12/13/2001 8:11:15 AM PST by agave
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To: theoldright
As for the heathen celebrations maybe I won't elaborate so as not to offend your delicate sensibilities.

Why stop now?

BTW, my great great great great great grandfather fought at George Washington's side; my family fought for this country, too.

However, that does NOT make the White House a sacred CHRISTIAN site.

45 posted on 12/13/2001 8:12:23 AM PST by Howlin
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Bush needs to reward his friends, and DEFUND his enemies by kicking them off of welfare (e.g. Planned Parenthood, PBS.)

Planned Parenthood spent millions trying to defeat Bush and will spend millions more trying to defeat him in 2004. Yet, the GOP refuses to strip Planned Parenthood of the $66 million it gets from our federal tax dollars. Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood uses these tax dollars to sue pro-lifers, peddle abortions to minors and, indirectly, campaign against Republicans.

Bush is never going to win over the pro-aborts, so he may as well take steps to completely crush them by ceasing to subsidize them with our money.

Could you imagine how quickly Clinton would have cut off funds to a pro-life group receiving $66 million in federal funds?

Pro-Life Policies Quashed (How RINO Ralph Regula Killed Effort to Defund Planned Parenhood)

47 posted on 12/13/2001 8:13:52 AM PST by IM2Phat4U
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To: RooRoobird14
.......I also thank God every day that lying, gutless woosy--man Al Gore is not Commander-In-Chief.

WELL SAID!
48 posted on 12/13/2001 8:14:21 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Alberta's Child
That is precisely why pro-lifers tend to be so cynical about it. Republicans in Congress were all in favor of a late-term abortion ban when they knew Clinton would veto it, but their "courage" disappeared once the party was in a position to ensure that anything they passed would be signed into law.

Bush wanted to get his tax cut through first. I think the partial birth abortion bans came at the end of the Congressional terms.

Jumping Jim Jeffords put the kibosh on that. Also there is the 60 vote cloture vote in the Senate. With the loss of Abraham, Ashcroft, Gorton, and others in 2000, getting to the 60 vote cloture is much tougher.

You can be cynical if you want, but I will look at the machinations of the Senate.

50 posted on 12/13/2001 8:15:23 AM PST by Dane
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