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Karl Rove: Stayaway Christians Almost Cost Bush Election
Charisma News ^ | 12/13/01

Posted on 12/13/2001 7:50:35 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

STAYAWAY CHRISTIANS ALMOST COST ELECTION

Many Christians believe that prayer played a major role in sending George W. Bush to the White House, but stayaway believers came close to losing him the election, according to his chief political adviser, Karl Rove.

Rove said that one reason the 2000 election was so tight was that as many as 4 million Christian conservatives did not go to the polls, reported "The Chicago Tribune." Although the Bush campaign had expected 19 million evangelical voters to vote for their man, election returns revealed only 15 million turned out to cast ballots.

Speaking yesterday at an American Enterprise Institute seminar, Rove said the Bush campaign "probably failed to marshal support of the base as well as we should have," said the "Tribune." Rove added: "But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."

Rove said that if the "process of withdrawal" went on it would be bad for the country as well as conservatives and Republicans. "It's something we have to spend a lot of time and energy on."


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To: Howlin
I have for a long time...it's in the Constitution...you know...that document Washington presided over the creation of...?
51 posted on 12/13/2001 8:15:33 AM PST by Keith
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To: theoldright
you're exactly right; Lots of conservatives began to stop supporting the Republicans in the 96 election. Since then every year there's just more of them pulling out. But the Repubs are becoming the majority because lots of dems and independents are migrating to the repubs.

If the repubs wanted to really have decisive control, then they wouldn't have alienated the conservatives.

Bush' tax cut proposal is a joke, it is insignificant in size. Worse than that is that the Republicans now stand for big government. They are and have been for the last 5 years making government grow at substantially faster rates than the democrats did when they controlled the budget in the previous five years.

All evidence is that the Republicans are today the party of big spending. They're also the party of class warfare in that they come up with special subsidies specifically for upper income people, the Republicans pass special laws for special labor markets for the purpose of lowering wages in those markets, labor markets that blue collar people thrive in, meanwhile the Republicans don't apply the same standards to their own.

Look at any suburban city in America that has a predominantly Republican city council and you will find that they've made laws outlawing the construction of homes in their borders for lower income people.

The Republicans are now spending money so rapidly in Washington that even the Republicans are projecting that they will have to lower social security benefits in future years because of the excessive spending today.

52 posted on 12/13/2001 8:15:51 AM PST by Red Jones
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
The likes of Falwell and Robertson are never happy about anything. They always find something to be mad about, and so they convinced themselves to be mad enough at Bush to not go to the polls.
54 posted on 12/13/2001 8:16:34 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: theoldright
Bush is a LIBERAL

No, your the liberal for wanting Gore to win.

55 posted on 12/13/2001 8:17:56 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Dear Karl,

When those fundamentalist Christians see the evil things your centralized education President is increasing, do you think they'll be more inclined to vote for him next time around?

When he took $250,000,000 of tax money (some from those very fundamentalist Christians who see it as evil) to reward biotech companies who work in embryonic stem cell research, do you think that those very same fundamentalist Christians are going to show up at the polls to say, "Give them more of my family's money?"

When Bush is refusing to pursue action against the treason by the former administration, do you expect fundamentalist Christians to forget that there are sins of ommission, as well as sins of commission?

Your best hope to get fundamentalist Christians to the polls next time, Karl, is to have Alan Keyes run on the Constitution Party ticket. But that's not what you had in mind, is it?

56 posted on 12/13/2001 8:18:07 AM PST by toenail
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To: rdb3
Yes, sadly, you do. The "principled" stay home, while the totally unprincipled ruin the nation.
58 posted on 12/13/2001 8:18:35 AM PST by cmak9
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To: Bommer
Guess you would have been more happier with Gore in the White House, eh dumbass?

Maybe he would be happier if a conservative was in the White House. I guess you didn't think of that. Who's the dumbass?

59 posted on 12/13/2001 8:19:54 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: afuturegovernor
"Funny, it's the same day Bush withdraws from ABM"

And continues funding the alphabet agencies. And pushed oh so hard to increase, drastically, federaly regulating public schools, (which will also put the fed footprint on private schools). And is bombing a soverign nation into stoneage, without supplying any proof of terroristic acts by said country.

Yep, he's a conservative allright. So I trust him.

60 posted on 12/13/2001 8:20:56 AM PST by Ragin1
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To: Red Jones
Bush' tax cut proposal is a joke, it is insignificant in size.

President Bush got a bigger tax cut through than anyone thought imageable. We have a President (a good one) not a dicator

61 posted on 12/13/2001 8:21:00 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: agave
Karl Rove has the unique ability to make any race a tight one, even a race against a demonstrable mental case like Al Gore.

First, he uses Democrat ad agencies full of campaign spies. Then he lets them waste millions producing TV commercials unworthy of a used car lot, and mishandles their placement. He also took no successful advantage of few modern 'Narrowcasting' techniques. He had no strategy for coping with vote fraud and didn't even alert the public that it was planned in California, Pennsylvania, Missouri, etc. when every Freeper worthy of their salt knew damn well what was going down.

Bush won despite Karl Rove, the idiot savant of the Political Strategy game.

Must have been divine intervention.

63 posted on 12/13/2001 8:21:59 AM PST by Francohio
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To: theoldright
"Yea, keep voting for the Algores...they're closer to your views! No, not Al Gore, but I aspire to live my life in keeping with biblical principles. Therefore, I cannot vote for a man who would do nothing about the wholesale murder of the unborn and the headlong rush into a secular humanistic society. If you listen closely to Bush you will begin to doubt the sincerity of his Christian beliefs very quickly."

Get real!

Liberals took over incrementally!

We can only recover incrementally!

Look what happened when Newt tried to go too fast!

66 posted on 12/13/2001 8:23:16 AM PST by TRY ONE
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To: Thane_Banquo
**The likes of Falwell and Robertson are never happy about anything. They always find something to be mad about, and so they convinced themselves to be mad enough at Bush to not go to the polls.**

Spoken in total ignorance. Both Falwell and Robertson were on the Bush bandwagon from an early stage and, to my knowledge, never uttered a peep of disastisfaction about issues with Bush during the campaign. I think they both kept a lower profile, in part so as not to be a lightning rod for Christian bashers out there who might otherwise have been attracted to Bush.

But there was no question that, too their own, they were publicly pro-Bush early - even while Bauer was running.

67 posted on 12/13/2001 8:23:32 AM PST by Tall_Texan
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To: agave
I just call them "idiots" and some unprintable terms.

In 1996, there was a Republican conservative running in my state assembly district who was pro-choice, against a VERY liberal Democrat. We had a solid shot at the seat...

Until the local "pro-life" activists decided to push for a American Independent candidate who had NO chance of winning the election, but managed to split the vote. The result was that we got a pro-abort, pro-gay-marriage, tax-and-spend maniac in the statehouse.

The pro-life crowd then had the gall to BRAG about what they had accomplished--they said that they "sent a message" to the local GOP.

Well, the message that the local GOP got was that the pro-life community were a bunch of spoiled children, and began working diligently to purge these folks from any important position in the party.

Meanwhile, the homosexual and abortion agenda continues to advance smartly in the statehouse.

Nice move, guys! With friends like y'all, we don't need enemies...

68 posted on 12/13/2001 8:24:20 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Ragin1
And is bombing a soverign nation into stoneage, without supplying any proof of terroristic acts by said country

Whewww! I guess you didn't see the videotape of OBL taking credit, even though it is on every network and radio.

You are a Ragin1. A Ragin lunatic.

69 posted on 12/13/2001 8:24:36 AM PST by Dane
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To: Gordian Blade
"I believe a big part of it was the undisclosed past drunk driving problem that came to light late in the campaign. People on our side tend to demand our candidates be pure as newfallen snow."

I believe you are exactly right. In both respects.

70 posted on 12/13/2001 8:26:03 AM PST by okie01
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Rove added: "But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."

Hmmmmm? The exact same logic a lot of people use to stay away from religion. With corrupt people like Jim Baaker and Jimmy Schweiker, they should they participate.

Dumb logic, even dumber people. If you don't play, you have no say.

71 posted on 12/13/2001 8:26:13 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Dane
Why no Dane I didn't. You speak Arabic?
72 posted on 12/13/2001 8:26:21 AM PST by Ragin1
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To: wideawake
Here's a good idea. Bush should appoint nothing but religious right fanatics. That would ensure that a conservative never, ever, ever gets elected again and thus puts those scummy liberals in office for the forever. Sometimes you have to know when to pick your fights and this ain't one of them.
73 posted on 12/13/2001 8:26:33 AM PST by oldvike
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To: theoldright
Then don't complain when a demonicRat is soiling the Oval Office if you stay home on principles! I must have missed the part in the Bible that announced you were God??

Pray for GW and the Truth

74 posted on 12/13/2001 8:27:06 AM PST by bray
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To: theoldright
If you listen closely to Bush you will begin to doubt the sincerity of his Christian beliefs very quickly.

You mean because Bush doesn't believe EXACTLY the way you believe?

75 posted on 12/13/2001 8:27:20 AM PST by Howlin
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
The drunk-driving reports the weekend before the election probably had a lot to do with them staying home. The people who would take something like that most seriously are the people who would normally support Bush.

Most of the polls had Bush up at least three or four points befure the DUI claim and then things collapsed fast over the weekend.

Rove is complaining about 4m Christians who stayed home and that is roughly 4% of the populace.

So Gore's tactic was a huge succes.

76 posted on 12/13/2001 8:27:27 AM PST by Boston Capitalist
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To: theoldright
You wouldn't vote for Jesus Christ if he stood for election. He's a Jew after all. Sickening. I have some issues with Bush but I certainly know my patriotic duty to vote against a puke like albore when I see it. What will you be whining about if W IS able to maintain this astounding popularity of his and actually do some of the things you are whining about in his second term? I'm sure you'll find plenty to moan about. He certainly cannot do them in his first term when he just barely squeeked through (thanks to twits like you). I hope they keep you in a special out of the way section of Heaven when I get there cause I don't want to see your sorry ass in any way shape or form.
77 posted on 12/13/2001 8:27:34 AM PST by mercy
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To: Ditto
Make that "With corrupt people like Jim Baaker and Jimmy Schweiker, why should they participate?
78 posted on 12/13/2001 8:27:49 AM PST by Ditto
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To: proud patriot
Hand what over? The White House? I don't want it in ANY specific religion's hands. It should celebrate ALL the religions of this country. In case you didn't know, it does belong to ALL the people of this country, not "some more than others."
80 posted on 12/13/2001 8:28:43 AM PST by Howlin
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Shame on the Christians who stayed home whether it was because they didn't agree 100% with Bush on abortion or whether they didn't agree 100% with Bush on some other issue.

The majority of Democrats thought Bill Clinton was a scumbag. But that didn't stop them from going out there on election day 1996 to keep their party in power. Many of them didn't like Algore either but nevertheless, they made it out to the polls in huge numbers and came thisclose to winning the election again while stubborn conservative Christians sat on their hands because they were miffed that Bush wasn't "100% pure." It didn't matter to them that Bush was probably the most genuine Christian to run since Jimmy Carter. If Bush wasn't perfect, by golly, they were going to stay home and listen to Anita Bryant records. Or burn Harry Potter books. Or vote Buchanan just for spite.

Guess what? We are never going to have a perfect candidate for president. I don't think there is even an electable person out there who will please these fundamentalist Christians.

So long as these single-issue, all-or-nothing conservative voters fold their arms and refuse to vote for anybody who is not 100% lock-step with their beliefs, we are going to continue to see Democrats or RINOS get elected.

If all the conservatives could suck it in and vote for their party, the Republicans will gain a large majority in this country. Then we can focus on making the candidates more pure once we obtain power. Until then, we are going to struggle just to avoid losing the White House in 2004, while the Democrats rally around whatever smooth-talking, disingenous slimeball they dredge up for next time.

81 posted on 12/13/2001 8:29:11 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Ragin1
<<<<<<And is bombing a soverign nation into stoneage, without supplying any proof of terroristic acts by said country.>>>>>>>>>

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?

I guess you thought the smoking canon tape was faked?

So your saying...let's NOT roll?

I have never understood this Harry Browne style foreign policy.

82 posted on 12/13/2001 8:29:15 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: lormand
For over half a year, Republicans controlled both Houses and the White House, yet Partial Birth Abortion is still being committed on our children. When are they going to pursue the abolition of it? I see absolutely NO movement regarding abortion from the White House or Congressional Republicans.

Please recall for me how many times the Republicans passed or voted on bills to outlaw it? I do recall somebody named clinton (Do you remember him?)vetoing their attempts to outlaw it.

83 posted on 12/13/2001 8:29:18 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: RooRoobird14
Your reply is heartening -- since it is simple good sense. Conservatives, and Christians in particular, need to stop acting as if they are some great majority just waiting to sweep the "just-right" person into office.

The dominant political faction in this country, the largest plurality, is leftism. It dominates our culture today, and the hard left is able - through environmentalism, through "the children", through entertainment, through celebrity, through media, and through "feel-your-pain" comfortable (meaning not too close to the ground) "support" for the "poor working people" -- pull along a solid plurality of the great mass of people who almost never think about or consider political issues.

Minority -- meaning out of the mainstream -- political positions, which is what conservatism is in this generation, need to find allies wherever they can and chip away at the support of the "establishment" position. This means that no particular faction in the minority position will get what it wants. Just to win an election, you are fighting a guerrila war against a more-powerful enemy. That means that all you can do is come together for the sole purpose of winning -- because enough victories strung together will start moving the ball down the field in your direction. You don't win one election and expect the whole world to change to your point of view -- even the Giant Reagan was unable to do that.

These people who claim that Bush would have won easily had be been more conservative are simply fooling themselves. For every vote Bush would have gained by being more conservative, he'd have lost one and a quarter votes on the more left side of the spectrum. There simply aren't enough conservatives to elect a President by themselves in this generation. Nader outpolled all of the far right candidates combined by an easy margin. And, apparently, Gore outpolled Bush overall by reaping huge (and maybe illegal in many cases) votes in inner-cities.

The plurality of opinion in our society, on a great host of issues that people vote on, is on the left. Hell, people now even think that good economies come only from high taxes! All of this sniping on the right about some candidate being not "quite" perfect enough for them is the extreme height of stupidity. The ONLY thing that matters in an election is winning it. And sitting out because a candidate has some particular position on a marginal issue simply ensures that you will never WIN, and your point of view will never receive any consideration in government decisions. And we'll all get to be very happy writing about how much we hate President Hillary.

(sorry for the long post, this kind of thing just sends me...)

84 posted on 12/13/2001 8:29:36 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Ragin1
Why no Dane I didn't. You speak Arabic?

No, but you must since you think OBL is innocent.

85 posted on 12/13/2001 8:30:22 AM PST by Dane
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To: RooRoobird14
Any Christian staying home on any election day "in protest" in effect helps put more amoral-abortion-loving-leftist-socialists Godless Democrats in office. It's a STUPID, STUPID self defeating strategy of "win the battle, lose the war."

And you are so correct!!!! Needlepoint it and put it up in every home!

86 posted on 12/13/2001 8:30:41 AM PST by SFmom
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To: theoldright
He celebrates heathen holidays in our sacred White House.

Do you believe that only "Christian" holidays should be celebrated and allowed in the "sacred White House"?

87 posted on 12/13/2001 8:31:29 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: cmak9
The "principled" stay home, while the totally unprincipled ruin the nation.

Excuse me, but are you insinuating that because I exercised my RIGHT to vote and voted for George W. Bush I am unprincipled?

88 posted on 12/13/2001 8:31:39 AM PST by Howlin
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
bump.
89 posted on 12/13/2001 8:31:57 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Thane_Banquo
The likes of Falwell and Robertson are never happy about anything

Falwell and Robertson both have their faults, but don't blaine them for being mad a Bush. They were both avid Bush supporters.

90 posted on 12/13/2001 8:32:22 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: SamAdams76
"So long as these single-issue, all-or-nothing conservative voters fold their arms and refuse to vote for anybody who is not 100% lock-step with their beliefs, we are going to continue to see Democrats or RINOS get elected."

Correct! An "all-or-nothing" attitude guarantees you'll get nothing.

In the meantime, the other side incrementally aquires exactly what it wants.

92 posted on 12/13/2001 8:33:17 AM PST by Hari_Seldon
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To: Ragin1
And is bombing a soverign nation into stoneage, without supplying any proof of terroristic acts by said country.

Are you posting from a cave? That's the ONLY way you could even pretend to think they weren't guilty as hell.

93 posted on 12/13/2001 8:33:43 AM PST by Howlin
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
but stayaway believers came close to losing him the election, according to his chief political adviser, Karl Rove.

There's that same old assumption that a given party or candidate was owed those votes.

As long as any party or candidate assumes that they own votes, there will never be significant changes. They will not be accountable to the voters and then will blame the voters for not voting even when the voters are displeased with the party of candidate.

Candidates that don't assume they are owed votes tend to work harder to earn those votes.

95 posted on 12/13/2001 8:35:38 AM PST by Eagle Eye
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To: mercy
You wouldn't vote for Jesus Christ if he stood for election. He's a Jew after all.

Not only that, but he wears "dresses" and hangs around with a lot of guys......*wink* *wink* .....if you get my drift.

Plus his parents weren't marrried.

You KNOW they'd find fautl with Jesus.

96 posted on 12/13/2001 8:35:44 AM PST by Howlin
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To: rdb3
Do I have this right?

yep,, that pretty much sums it up,,,

how else do you explain half the voters supporting the vice perpetraitor ?

98 posted on 12/13/2001 8:36:03 AM PST by vinylsidingman
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Amen!
99 posted on 12/13/2001 8:36:54 AM PST by Howlin
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To: RooRoobird14
In reply to post #8, Amen, I could not have expressed my sentiments better than you did.
100 posted on 12/13/2001 8:37:06 AM PST by DeweyCA
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