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The marginilization of whites in society (Dan Issel, Cracker Barrel, Toyota

Posted on 12/13/2001 11:03:04 PM PST by Michael2001

I know this isn't the most PC of titles, but I couldn't think of anything better to describe what I'm going to talk about. I'm going to try and take a personal story of legal racism that happened to me, and intertwine that with the Dan Issel, Cracker Barrel, and Toyota stories.

I own and run a security firm in Virginia with three other guys. We've recently been trying to expand and were about to sign a deal with a rather large company in Richmond, this would have been huge for a firm of our size and I was already celebrating and looking for overly expensive Christmas gifts for my wife. Well it fell through, apparently the guys who were about to ink the deal with us got the message from higher ups in the company that they ought to sign with a minority firm. I can't give any details because nothing's final yet; but all signs point to the fact that we're going to lose out because we're 4 white guys competing with a firm run by Hispanics. I repeat, we're going to lose a lot of money- because we're white.

Dan Issel is the coach of the Denver Nuggets. In an altercation with a fan he called him a friggin Mexican (only he didn't say friggin). They had a guy from some Hispanic group on the O'Reilly Factor tonight. Not only does his group want Issel fired, but they want the Nuggets orginization to hire more Hispanics and do more work with Hispanic media. Now we're in a recession right now, companies aren't exactly hiring people right now. If the Nuggets cave and start to hire Hispanics, who do you think is going to be first in line to get fired?; you got it, white folk, they're going to be fired to make room for Hispanics, all so the Nuggets can say look at how diverse we are, please don't sue us.

Toyota just gave Jesse Jackson 700 million dollars so that he will not brand their corporation racist.

The Cracker Barrel is currently being sued for 100 million dollars for claims that they are racist to black customers. No proof, just the world of black customers against the word of Cracker Barrel management. I'd guess that the odds are very favorable that the black customers will win this lawsuit.


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I don't want this to be miscontrued as racist, but white people are getting the shaft, in every single sense of the word. And blacks and other minorities are not going to be the better for it, it's just going to breed resentment, and it's going to spell trouble for the future of our country.

After we heard that we lost the deal because we were white, one of the guys who works with me, who's been my friend for a very long time and who I've never known to be racist said "those gosh darn Hispanic-Americans, what the heck are they doing in this country" (except he didn't use those exact words, I'll allow you to fill them in). Sentiments like those my friend uttered are misguded and wrong, but with cases like these, they are inevitable.
1 posted on 12/13/2001 11:03:04 PM PST by Michael2001
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question-what is the amount of guards?? and are they from different groups/races etc??,or all your guards are white??
2 posted on 12/13/2001 11:11:05 PM PST by green team 1999
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To: Michael2001
That's what happens when competence is replaced by political correctness. I saw the same program (No Spin Zone), and my opinion is that minorities just want a hand out. To all high and mighties out there that might say I'm racist, I'm a Cajun, which equals to a mixture of at least 5 different races/ethnic groups (that I'm aware of).
3 posted on 12/13/2001 11:12:03 PM PST by Pern
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To: green team 1999
...or all your guards are white??

Does that pose a problem for you?

4 posted on 12/13/2001 11:16:19 PM PST by VMI70
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To: Michael2001
"The Cracker Barrel is currently being sued for 100 million dollars for claims that they are racist to black customers. No proof, just the world of black customers against the word of Cracker Barrel management. I'd guess that the odds are very favorable that the black customers will win this lawsuit.'

Not necessarily. I present to you the very item which got a Houston Denny's out of this same predicament - a surveillance camera. They have them all over the restaurant, and when they went back over their material, voila! There were the customers on the day in question, being served without delay and in a most expedient manner. Needless to say, the court case was ruled in favor of the defendent, and the plaintiffs had to pay court costs.

I'd suggest that Cracker Barrel peruse their tapes, and see what THEY can dig up. However, if they do find discriminatory behavior, then all bets are off...

5 posted on 12/13/2001 11:16:26 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Michael2001
The marginilization of whites in society (Dan Issel, Cracker Barrel, Toyota

My G-d! You're saying that there's reverse discrimation?

Contact the ACLU, Je$$e Jack$on, Al $harpton, et al. immediately, if not sooner!!!

I'm positive that they'll be interested in helping you... :-]

6 posted on 12/13/2001 11:20:53 PM PST by wayne_shrugged
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To: Michael2001
Rent "Falling Down"...
9 posted on 12/13/2001 11:31:11 PM PST by ambrose
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To: dandelion
I asked a friend once who was taking pre-law what was the most important factor in a litigation that she had run across.

Her answer- Document, Document, Document.

It was good advice then, and it is now.

11 posted on 12/13/2001 11:51:39 PM PST by cascademountaineer
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To: ambrose
Good one!
12 posted on 12/13/2001 11:56:12 PM PST by america76
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To: Michael2001
There is a way!!!! At least one of you need to shange your name to a more ethnic, Hispanic, one maybe two of you this will get you in all the places you want... I know it's crazy but it works....There are many cases where name changes have been responsible for higher pay promotions, and even elections.. LOOK at GERRY RIVERS!!!!!!!!!
13 posted on 12/13/2001 11:58:25 PM PST by .45MAN
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To: Michael2001
"I don't want this to be miscontrued as racist, but white people are getting the shaft, in every single sense of the word. And blacks and other minorities are not going to be the better for it, it's just going to breed resentment, and it's going to spell trouble for the future of our country. "

Make that white guys. The white females seem to get along just fine with the black guys. Racist? I see it more and more where I live.

15 posted on 12/14/2001 12:10:20 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: cascademountaineer
Document, Document, Document

absolutely right

as long it's done always bearing in mind that other favorite cautionary truism lawyers are rightfully fond of invoking -- when you open your mouth or write something down, you are creating evidence

16 posted on 12/14/2001 12:15:56 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: Michael2001
O'Reilly asks him if giving 250 thousand dollars would be enough to make amends. Flores says "Eyeeee theeenk that would be starting to go down the right track...

Would 750,000 shut him the hell up?

Look at Estevan's website...It mentions in his bio that he is a "full court" basketball player. Add to this the fact that he also wants Hispanics in the Nugget organization, and I can safely deduct that he sees this as a prime opportunity (as a basketball fan) to get a part-time (but high paying) job as the Denver Nuggets' "Diversity Director."

Every time a stupid white guy opens his his mouth:

1.) Someone is always there to tape it, and:

2.)every other white guy pays for it!

18 posted on 12/14/2001 12:40:30 AM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: Michael2001
Have you never heard of the "Evil White European Male"? He gets what he deserves for all the evils he has done against non-whites in all of history throughout the world. This is a tenet of multi-culturalism.
20 posted on 12/14/2001 1:59:08 AM PST by Gotterdammerung
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To: Michael2001
Issels comment was totally out of line. If he was representing my company and called someone a bleeping Mexican piece of Bleep then he would be fired. Don't make your stand defending an outrageous and ethnically derogatory statement.
21 posted on 12/14/2001 3:20:20 AM PST by stilts
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To: Michael2001
The diversity that is important is the diversity of ideas. Diversity based on the color of ones's skin, country of origin , or religion is a false premise. It is bound to fail becuase there is no basis of competence.
22 posted on 12/14/2001 3:36:48 AM PST by Movemout
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To: Michael2001
In an altercation with a fan he called him a friggin Mexican (only he didn't say friggin).

Actually, Issel called the guy a "Mexican piece of $hit."

Had the word "Mexican" been left out, I'm sure no one would have even heard of this incident.

Why is it OK to call a Mexican, (or anyone else), a "piece of $hit" but it's the worst thing that could ever be to call a Mexican a Mexican?

Too funny! This planet is nuts!

23 posted on 12/14/2001 3:44:20 AM PST by BikerTrash
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To: Michael2001
It's not the Hispanics fault. They are just playing the game. The problem is that these quotas exist. If they exist, you have to learn to use them to your advantage.

In short, learn how to play the game.

25 posted on 12/14/2001 3:48:28 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: .45MAN
You are absolutely right, look at what it did for Loretta Brixley, er, I mean Sanchez down in Kalifornia...JFK
26 posted on 12/14/2001 3:49:36 AM PST by BADROTOFINGER
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To: BADROTOFINGER
One of my friends told everyone at work he was a Native American. He even had Indian prints on the wall. Worked like a charm.

Remember, if you say you are an American Indian, it's intolerant to ask you to verify it.

27 posted on 12/14/2001 3:52:35 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: ambrose
Rent "Falling Down"...

Forget that - buy it. Then watch it every now and then. Great flick.

28 posted on 12/14/2001 3:55:37 AM PST by TomServo
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To: Rooper
Maybe not construed as a racist, but the whining is counterproductive.

What would you define as "productive" as a response to anti-white racism. Bending over and taking it?

If the trend continues, and nobody in the media, legal, or political mainstream is going to speak up for the equality under law, of white people, then the extremists will prosper and grow in this vaccum.

Civil War II is not as unfathomable as it was just a few years ago.

29 posted on 12/14/2001 3:57:46 AM PST by bulldog905
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To: Michael2001
"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

-I have a Dream
by Martin Luther King, Jr.
Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963

I don't thing MLK would even recognize today's "civil rights" movement. Sad.

30 posted on 12/14/2001 3:59:27 AM PST by KeyBored
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To: dandelion
If I were a black person, the LAST place I'd be eating at would be a restaurant called the CRACKER Barrel! LOL
32 posted on 12/14/2001 4:01:26 AM PST by Zorobabel
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To: KeyBored
thing=think
33 posted on 12/14/2001 4:01:29 AM PST by KeyBored
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To: Michael2001
The Foreigners In Our Midst
34 posted on 12/14/2001 4:05:50 AM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: Michael2001
Bookmarked for later commenting.
35 posted on 12/14/2001 4:06:18 AM PST by Neets
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To: BikerTrash
I can just see the man insulted. He goes home, hangs up his coat, tells his wife, the coach of da Nuggets called me a "Mexican piece of shit". She turns to him and says "you are, just look in the mirror". He walks to the fireplace, looks deeply at his reflection, and screams "I am Mexican, oh God", as he begins sobbing, puts his head in his hands and resolves to fix the coach for all of his amigos, and of course a bunch on dineros.

Now is this a racist reply?

36 posted on 12/14/2001 4:07:17 AM PST by jeremiah
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To: stilts
Issels comment was totally out of line. If he was representing my company and called someone a bleeping Mexican piece of Bleep then he would be fired. Don't make your stand defending an outrageous and ethnically derogatory statement.

Then punish Issel. But don't leverage Issel's stupidity to blackmail the Nugget organization. These 'minority' advocacy groups remind me of a bunch of wild dogs. They are anxious to shred anyone that appears weak.
How do we make the assuption that Issel's idiotic outburst 'represents' the Nuggets anyway? If I were the Nuggets, I'd repremand him and ignore the Hispanics outcry.

37 posted on 12/14/2001 4:10:15 AM PST by SmartEnough
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To: TomServo
I bought Falling Down a few years ago. And I like to watch it from time to time, just to remind myself how my life imitates art. I realize that this movie featured an arch-commie in Michael Douglas, but it really rings true about what a pool of garbage the United States has become.
38 posted on 12/14/2001 4:14:38 AM PST by RonPaulLives
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To: green team 1999
question-what is the amount of guards?? and are they from different groups/races etc??,or all your guards are white??

Please explain, what is the point of your question? This question should have no relevance in a color-blind society.

The fact that you feel it has to be posed is proof that the point of anti-discrimination laws/lawsuits is NOT racial equality.

39 posted on 12/14/2001 4:15:09 AM PST by SmartEnough
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Now is this a racist reply?

I don't know. Evidently, I ain't a very good judge of such things.

It's a dang funny reply though...LOL!

40 posted on 12/14/2001 4:15:18 AM PST by BikerTrash
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To: M1991
I can't speak for the media, but I would take action against the employee regardless of what group was slurred.
43 posted on 12/14/2001 4:20:47 AM PST by stilts
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To: Michael2001
Calling him 'Mexican' is racist? Will he sue the US Government for all those times he had to label himself as Mexican-American?
45 posted on 12/14/2001 4:23:36 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: It'salmosttolate
Have you posted the link you provided for wholesale perusal on the forum? It is excellent, and so right, that it may be construed as racist itself.
46 posted on 12/14/2001 4:24:12 AM PST by jeremiah
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To: SmartEnough
I agree with your comment regarding the blackmailing of the Nuget organization. I do not agree with your comment regarding Issel. His comment does reflect on the organization as he said it while acting as coach of the team, in his place of employment (the arena). I don't have a problem expecting employees to represent the company well while on duty. He is a high level employee who is perceived by the public as a representative. When, while performing his job, he uses this type of language, how do you suppose it doesn't reflect back on the company?
47 posted on 12/14/2001 4:24:45 AM PST by stilts
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To: BADROTOFINGER
Yes I remember that one too.....
48 posted on 12/14/2001 4:30:18 AM PST by .45MAN
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To: Michael2001
"we're going to lose out because we're 4 white guys competing with a firm run by Hispanics."

Don't you get it!

200 years ago the hispanics were wrongly unslaved by white Americans. We have to repent from our past sins. We have to undo past wrongs. (racial quota's)

Oh, I'm sorry that was Black Americans!

Ok, lets try this.

The whites took all their land away when we first settled North America.

Oh, I'm sorry that was the Indians.

Oh, this isn't working out the way I plan. But you white Americans must of done something to them.

I got It.

I quess its the color of your skin!

50 posted on 12/14/2001 4:33:27 AM PST by Osprey
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