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After-Action Report: IAC Meeting, Manhattan
Self | 12/14/01 | hellinahandcart

Posted on 12/14/2001 7:39:08 AM PST by hellinahandcart

Last week we were notified of an IAC event right here in town, featuring Ramsey Clark and the usual suspects. This is a group I had never heard of before last year; but, after catching their post 9/11 act on C-Span (that rather large anti-war, bash-America and "Free Mumia" fest in DC), and countering their much-smaller Oct 7 rally in Union square, I definitely feel like I know them. And don't like them! So, some of us thought that crashing the meeting was definitely in order. I knew that Nitro and KLT had made already plans to meet in the neighborhood, and fortunately I was able to join them.

We met up at around 5:30 for a strategy session. After a few adult beverages, we managed to reach consensus--there would be no "plan". We would simply show up, pay our fee, and rely on what was said to motivate one of us to speak up.

We were winging it, in other words. There was no "first I'll say this, and then *you* jump up and say that" under discussion. We didn't rehearse. About the only advance preparation came from Nitro, who had purchased an American flag for the occasion in case he felt the need to unfurl it at the meeting. So we left the bar and , with no real plan of action, walked to the Community Church of New York on 35th St.

The meeting was in the basement, and I am sad to report that , by the time we got there, it was standing room only. I estimate there were about 300 people there. We were first asked "were we on their mailing list", which I hadn't anticipated; I took it to be a sort of "screening" question, and in retrospect perhaps we should have said yes, but I think they were already well aware that we didn't really belong there. Nitro was wearing a Navy cap, KLT was wearing a faux fur, and I has a cross around my neck that I forgot to tuck under my shirt. So much for infiltrating; we stood out like sore thumbs. We paid our donation and walked in, past a long table of pamphlets and flyers, and books by and about Mumia Abul-Jamal. KLT took a chair in the last row, Nitro and I ended up in the very back, in a doorway to the coatroom/hallway/exit.

It was quite crowded. I observed that most people there were (a) white and (b)either under 30 or over 60.

One of the older women at the book table knocked over a stack of fliers, I picked them up and handed them to her, and she thanked me. I had one more encounter with this woman before the evening was over. And it was over sooner than I ever would have guessed.

A man I believe I had seen speaking at the DC protest took the microphone up front. It was the usual stuff you hear at these things--the bombing is hurting people, the Bush administration's "war on terrorism" has institutionalized racial profiling and unjust imprisonment here in the U.S., yada yada. Wish I'd brought a tape recorder, so I could transcribe his exact words. But I do remember him saying that "we should take George Bush at his word" when he says he intends to pursue and uproot terrorists organizations wherever they exist in the world--oddly, he didn't seem to think that was a GOOD thing at all. He thought it was downright sinister. He said, "We must stand in solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Somalia, Colombia, Vieques, and Korea--"

Nitro piped up with "You mean North Korea". Heads turned. Dirty looks in our direction.

The speaker continued with "George Bush could possibly invade all these countries".

Nitro said "Sounds good to me" and began clapping.

The next sequence of events took place over a period of about fifteen seconds. Nitro was politely asked to leave by a soft-spoken young man, while the other men standing at the back began moving in his direction. At that point Nitro took his new flag out of his jacket and began ripping the plastic off of it (note to anyone who does this in the future, take the plastic off beforehand, it'll save time). The sight of the Stars & Stripes had a remarkable effect on those present. No sooner did he have it unfurled than at least four people tried to tear it way from him, while several others were physically propelling him into the back hallway. That flag was pulled in so many directions I was sure they were trying to rip it--but it was nylon, and defeated their efforts. They finally got it out of his hands after shoving him into the coatrack, and as I was following, the whole gaggle shoved him in my direction and I ended up being briefly pinned against the other wall. They kept pushing him toward the stairs--I heard Nitro say "I had a HAT when I came in here, guys" and realized that his cap must have been knocked off, but I wasn't about to look for it then. I didn't want to take my eyes off the people who were shoving him up the stairs and out the door.

As I was on my way to the exit, the woman who had knocked over the flyers stopped me and handed me the flag, which she had folded up. I thought that was nice of her.

KLT had been left behind in the auditorium, and we had to wait until she came out to find out what happened while we were being "escorted" out. Apparently we stood out more than even I realized, because, according to KLT, the speaker at the microphone said "There's one more" and everyone pointed to her. I thought that was odd, as this guy certainly didn't see her come in, but the people working the desk had probably passed the word along that we looked like trouble.

So KLT said "You people should be ashamed of yourselves; have you been to Ground Zero?" She was told "Your friends are waiting for you outside--get out and don't come back." She said "I wouldn't come back here, you people are *crazy*", and left. Someone handed Nitro's cap to her on her way out.

And that, as they say, was that.


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We went to another local tavern afterward for a little celebration. I have Nitro's flag in my possession, and will bring it to the next freep event--it's had battle experience already, and emerged unscathed.
1 posted on 12/14/2001 7:39:08 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: KLT; Nitro
Are we all okay this morning? :P
2 posted on 12/14/2001 7:40:40 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Dave Dilegge; rmlew; OneidaM; Silly; Cool Guy; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; firebrand; Incorrigible...
Hung-over ping...
3 posted on 12/14/2001 7:46:46 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
Thanks for the ping. Good going, you guys. Did anyone go to Cooper Union to hear what Jesse Jackson and Paul Begala had to say?
4 posted on 12/14/2001 7:58:55 AM PST by firebrand
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To: hellinahandcart
This group have any money? -- sounds like lawsuit material.
5 posted on 12/14/2001 8:05:36 AM PST by Ed_in_NJ
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To: hellinahandcart
Yes I am a wee bit hungover, but I have plenty of Coca-cola and a pizza is on the way!!

A good time was had by all!!

6 posted on 12/14/2001 8:09:22 AM PST by Nitro
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To: firebrand
I haven't heard from anyone about the Cooper Union thing; actually I haven't heard anything at all about what happened, not even a press release. It would be interesting to hear what went on in there. But I just couldn't do two freeps in one week. I had to choose between losers whining about the 2000 election and losers whining about this "racist war", figured the latter group had a trendier topic and deserved my attention more.
7 posted on 12/14/2001 8:29:47 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: OneidaM; Ms. AntiFeminazi
fyi
8 posted on 12/14/2001 8:43:53 AM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: Ed_in_NJ
Lawsuit? Eh... Wouldn't be worth it, I suspect. I sustained more physical damage at the bar afterward, believe me.
9 posted on 12/14/2001 8:46:38 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
I killed a few brain cells myself!!
10 posted on 12/14/2001 9:10:03 AM PST by Nitro
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To: hellinahandcart; KLT; Nitro
Infiltrating the BELLY OF THE BEAST -- Nice job of shakin' things up! BTW -- Are paint-ball guns legal in NYC ;-)?

Yeah, too bad you didn't have a tape recorder -- no telling what kind of anti-Americn rhetoric Ramsey Clark might have regurgitated. What a bunch of mutants...

11 posted on 12/14/2001 9:36:47 AM PST by F16Fighter
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Slightly off-topic, but I took a few flyers from the church as well. Here's one:

WELCOME
to Community Church of New York
a liberal option

Ours is a free church, dedicated to the search for truth and the love of humankind.
We believe in knowledge, for there is no help in ignorance...
in reason, for without it we surrender to the blind forces of falsehood and prejudice...
in compassion, for revenge and hatred destroy the spirit...
in love, for it is life's most creative power...
in community, for none flourishes alone.
There is no dogma in this church. We seek to grow in the search for truth, knowing that there is no end to its revelation.
We seek fulfillment of our highest hopes, our deepest needs, in this beloved community where no one is a stranger.
(affiliated with the Unitarian Universalist Association)

There's more in the same vein. You could go blind trying to find the word "God" in their reading material.

12 posted on 12/14/2001 9:58:26 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: F16Fighter
LOL, we only survived about three minutes into the program. I imagine Ramsey Clark was going to talk about how this whole thing is about oil (yawn), since that's what many of his articles on the IAC website seem to say. The stuff on that site is insane, and they believe every word of it. They've gone way past the standard "it's our fault, we deserved it" nonsense, they really believe America is the villain in every situation.

And no matter what situation they're discussing, they always manage to make it about Mumia Abu-Jamal and Vieques at the same time. If we were to invade Venus they'd find a way to relate it to the "oppression" of their brothers in Vieques. What IS it with these characters and Vieques?

13 posted on 12/14/2001 10:08:43 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
Thanks for the Ping.
14 posted on 12/14/2001 10:11:14 AM PST by Cool Guy
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To: hellinahandcart; KLT; Nitro
Standing ovation for you three - way to go - took a lot of courage to go into the "belly of the beast" - and I know those IAC goons hate it when someone "rains on their parade". Good show and EAGLES UP!
15 posted on 12/14/2001 10:16:50 AM PST by VaMarVet
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To: Dave Dilegge
It was actually alot of fun!

As usual just the sight of the good ole' Stars and Stripes sent them into a violent frenzy! Still it took a least half-a-dozen of those limp-wristed commies to hustle me out!!</bragging off>

16 posted on 12/14/2001 10:25:28 AM PST by Nitro
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To: hellinahandcart
This organization is not about the truth; Dissention is one thing, but this is clearly an enemy camp operating within our borders with the overt mission to topple and destroy everything America stands for. This is an infestation that needs "treatment."
17 posted on 12/14/2001 10:28:57 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Dave Dilegge
You know, even though this is a city of eight million, I just plain RESENT the fact that they're able to get 300+ people together in one room. Just seems like more than our fair share of commies, frankly. Grrr.
18 posted on 12/14/2001 10:33:19 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
A man I believe I had seen speaking at the DC protest took the microphone up front. It was the usual stuff you hear at these things--the bombing is hurting people, the Bush administration's "war on terrorism" has institutionalized racial profiling and unjust imprisonment here in the U.S., yada yada. But I do remember him saying that "we should take George Bush at his word" when he says he intends to pursue and uproot terrorists organizations wherever they exist in the world--oddly, he didn't seem to think that was a GOOD thing at all. He thought it was downright sinister. He said, "We must stand in solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Somalia, Colombia, Vieques, and Korea--"

Oh, what a bunch of leftist puke!

19 posted on 12/14/2001 10:36:46 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Kristinn; angelwood; tgslTakoma; leadpenny; ironman; GunsareOK; Jimmy Valentine’s brother...
Operation Infinite FReep Ping and Eagle's Up!
20 posted on 12/14/2001 10:39:20 AM PST by VaMarVet
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To: hellinahandcart
I just looked at your homepage - what a wonderful painting - you have real talent:

You guys did a great job yesterday!

21 posted on 12/14/2001 10:43:23 AM PST by VaMarVet
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To: hellinahandcart
Many freepers think all New Yorkers are nuts. I have proof that is not the case. Click on the photo below if you doubt me:


22 posted on 12/14/2001 10:46:33 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Looks like we both are "REAL ART" fans!
23 posted on 12/14/2001 10:48:42 AM PST by VaMarVet
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To: Dave Dilegge;hellinahandcart
"hellinahandcart" is getting too much of a free ride on Free Republic. Yeah, the work evokes emotion. That it is salable is beyond doubt. But I suspect "hellinahandcart" is nothing more than a Winslow Homer capitalizing on a war.
24 posted on 12/14/2001 10:54:46 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: Dave Dilegge
I think we chased her off. Darn.
25 posted on 12/14/2001 10:56:13 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: hellinahandcart
Great FReep!

It might be good next time to have one person go in inconspicuously (dressing the part of course) to find out what is discussed further.

These people think that they own the moral high ground. Next time you go, start reading from the Black Book of Communism. They'll be howling.

26 posted on 12/14/2001 11:43:30 AM PST by GEC
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To: hellinahandcart
Glad to see they were so "tolerant" of "diversity". </sarcasm>
27 posted on 12/14/2001 12:02:29 PM PST by ELS
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To: hellinahandcart
You could go blind trying to find the word "God" in their reading material.

Yep, mention God those folks and you'd be accused of creating a hostile atmosphere... :-)

28 posted on 12/14/2001 12:04:46 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Dave Dilegge
One of the problems infiltrating a group like the IAC is that they have a core of people who attend these meetings. A stranger stands out, by dress and by being unfamiliar.
29 posted on 12/14/2001 1:35:53 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: hellinahandcart; KLT; Nitro
Wow - the last time I tried this I went with another woman and the participants thought that we were lesbian partners. Because of their presumptions we never had to lie, but boy it was a tough act to hold together for the 2 hours we were there. The hardest part was taking notes of the speaker by hand. (You can't record in this state without giving notice to the speaker.)

Well done you three - just be careful out there.


30 posted on 12/14/2001 1:42:00 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Little Bill
Agree - but our three NYC FReepers exposed their intolerance and, gee, they make me so damn proud that they took the time and had the courage to go down there yesterday.

I plan to head up to NYC Feburary 2nd for the following "IAC/I-ANSWER" event:

The International ANSWER Coalition - Act Now to Stop War and End Racism - calls for mobilizations on February 1 and 2 in New York City.

To endorse these events, contact the International ANSWER Coalition at ANSWER@afgj.org. For more information: ANSWER@afgj.org or call: New York 212-633-6646, Washington 202-543-2777, San Francisco 415-821-6545, Chicago 773-583-7728

· Declare war on unemployment, poverty and mass layoffs - not the people of the Afghanistan and the Middle East.
· Defend civil liberties.
· Money for jobs, education and health care - not war in Afghanistan and the Middle East and corporate tax cuts.

From January 31 to February 4, corporate bosses from the world's largest transnationals and political leaders will meet in New York City for their annual World Economic Forum. In past years they met in Davos, Switzerland, but massive demonstrations forced a change in venue. This year they'll be meeting at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in mid-town Manhattan. The World Economic Forum will celebrate war in Afghanistan and the Middle East, attacks on civil liberties, and corporate tax cuts. The International ANSWER Coalition calls for alternatives - jobs, health care, education, civil rights, and peace with justice - that reflect the needs of the vast majority of people. The corporate agenda wasn't welcome in Davos, and it's not welcome in New York City.

February 1:

Teach-in at Community Church, 35th between Park and Madison, starting at 9:00am

Featuring workshops on:

· War in the Middle East
· Civil liberties
· Immigrant rights
· Corporate-centered globalization
· Domestic economic policies
· Alternative visions from the progressive community

February 2

Mass rally at the World Economic Forum starting at 11:00am Park Ave., between 49th and 50th Bring signs, puppets, street theater, noise-makers, and your creativity.

· NO to war in Afghanistan and the Middle East!
· NO to corporate-centered globalization!
· YES to jobs, education, health care, and civil rights!

Since September 11, hundreds of thousands of workers from the travel industry, hotels, restaurants, and others have lost their jobs. Unemployment and mass layoffs are sweeping through all sectors of the world economy. Politicians, working for the interests of corporate elites, are providing billions of dollars in bailouts for investors and transnational corporations, but not a penny for increased unemployment insurance. The Congressional "economic stimulus" plan offers huge corporate tax cuts, but only pennies for working people. The lowest paid workers, especially immigrants and service sector workers, are suffering the repercussions of 9-11, while the rich get richer.

Immigrants and those who are struggling against the corporate agenda are in for a double whammy, as Attorney General Ashcroft curtails basic civil liberties and constitutional rights. Today the attacks are against immigrants - incarceration without charges and racial profiling. Tomorrow the target will be US citizens as Ashcroft pushes to legalize surveillance of religious and political groups.

Internationally, the Bush administration wages war in Afghanistan and encourages expanded war in Palestinian territories. Now Bush is preparing the public for prolonged war in Iraq and perhaps other nations. The deaths of thousands of civilians in the Middle East, both from direct military action and the resulting refugee crisis, is nothing short of state-sponsored terrorism. This is not the way to find justice for 3,000 civilians who died on September 11. And this is not the way to build a more secure and stable world.

We must respond to increasing attacks on our well-being by corporate-dominated politicians that bring us war, layoffs and increased poverty. At the same time as the ANSWER events in New York City, the World Social Forum will gather tens of thousands of representatives from every corner of the world in Porto Alegre, Brazil, to discuss alternative visions.

The events in New York and Porto Alegre will mark a new plateau in the people's capacity to organize, to reject old classist models, and to build a better world.

39 W. 14 St. NY NY 10011
(212) 633-6646
www.internationalanswer.org

Do we have any FReepers in Porto Alegre, Brazil?

31 posted on 12/14/2001 1:51:26 PM PST by VaMarVet
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To: hellinahandcart;Nitro
A little hung over, but fine....good job...hellinahandcart....

Mission Accomplished!

32 posted on 12/14/2001 1:54:16 PM PST by KLT
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To: KLT
Hi Karen - great job!
33 posted on 12/14/2001 1:55:42 PM PST by VaMarVet
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To: Dave Dilegge
I plan to head up to NYC Feburary 2nd for the following "IAC/I-ANSWER" event:

Love to be there, things are slow around here, but I am going to be in Miss. I will ask around and see if any of our NE Freepers want to see the big city.

34 posted on 12/14/2001 2:22:34 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: hellinahandcart
Maybe not a lawsuit, but perhaps filing assault charges?
35 posted on 12/14/2001 3:15:52 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: Dave Dilegge
Mass rally at the World Economic Forum starting at 11:00am Park Ave., between 49th and 50th Bring signs, puppets,

And here I thought that those leftist kooks *are* the puppets! ;-D

And major kudos to our three brave FReepers!

36 posted on 12/14/2001 3:20:49 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: Victoria Delsoul;Mudboy Slim;Black Jade; Luis Gonzalez; ALOHA RONNIE; backhoe; Poohbah; NetValue...
Hey, Guys...A round of applause of Nitro...he was amazing! What a FREEP! Bump this BABY!
37 posted on 12/14/2001 3:47:48 PM PST by KLT
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To: hellinahandcart
Good job and congrats on having more patience and self-control around these evil freaks than I ever could.
38 posted on 12/14/2001 4:00:17 PM PST by goodieD
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To: KLT
Pardon the phrase, but what a ballsy freep!!! Wonderful! Hope yer OK!
39 posted on 12/14/2001 4:13:53 PM PST by The Drowning Witch
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To: Dave Dilegge;Kristinn; angelwood; tgslTakoma; leadpenny; ironman; GunsareOK...
Bumping and support for wonderful FReeper Patriots !!!!!
40 posted on 12/14/2001 4:20:20 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: KLT
I appreciate the efforts of *all* of you, and everyone who engages in grassroots action like this. We need it!
41 posted on 12/14/2001 4:33:58 PM PST by backhoe
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To: KLT; Snow Bunny; Landru
Damned Yankees Stole Giambi from us...I am officially in mourning and shall not FReep again...until later.

Giambi even shaved his goatee...what a woooossie SELL-OUT!!

Yeah, NY deserves the PUNK...MUD

42 posted on 12/14/2001 5:06:30 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: KLT
Big Bump
43 posted on 12/14/2001 5:20:00 PM PST by ChaseR
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To: Dave Dilegge;StarFan;RaceBannon;Doctor Raoul;firebrand
In past years they met in Davos, Switzerland, but massive demonstrations forced a change in venue. This year they'll be meeting at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in mid-town Manhattan.

What does this mean? Davos can't handle "massive" demonstrations, but NYC can?

The World Economic Forum will celebrate war in Afghanistan and the Middle East, attacks on civil liberties, and corporate tax cuts.

Yeah, right. How can they say stuff like this with a straight face? Sheesh.

Count me in for 02/02/02. I'm sure if we start planning now, we can get a good turnout.

44 posted on 12/14/2001 5:31:27 PM PST by ELS
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To: KLT; hellinahandcart; nitro; hugh akston
KLT, sorry I wasn't able to join you. You ALL do us PROUD against this ANTI-AMERICAN group.

APPLAUSE TO THE THREE OF YOU

45 posted on 12/14/2001 5:38:36 PM PST by Neets
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To: hellinahandcart
OUTSTANDING!!!!
46 posted on 12/14/2001 6:06:32 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: hellinahandcart
Great freep, everyone! Old Glory unfurled in the midst of the enemy (because if they aren't with the US, they're with the terrorists) must have caused palpitations and extreme allergic reactions to such a patriotic symbol. Thanks.
47 posted on 12/14/2001 6:38:53 PM PST by Angelwood
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To: hellinahandcart; KLT; Nitro
Wow, that took guts to infiltrate the enemy camp... EXCELLENT work, NYC FReepers!
48 posted on 12/14/2001 8:25:16 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: KLT
Thanks for the ping, BTW. Great work! :-)
49 posted on 12/14/2001 8:36:49 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: KLT; hellinahandcart; nitro
Fantastic FREEP of the lefties!

........

50 posted on 12/14/2001 9:15:45 PM PST by JulieRNR21
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