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Hard times for U.S. Muslims
The Indianapolis Star ^ | December 16, 2001 | SHAHID ATHAR

Posted on 12/16/2001 4:36:38 AM PST by sarcasm

The events of Sept. 11 were not only a terrorist attack on America, but on Islam in the United States. About 500 Muslims died in the tragedy and the rest of them became hostage to fear, intimidation and insecurity about their future.

All the progress made in the growth of Islam in our country for the last 50 years seems to be reversed, and some immigrant Muslims have started to question whether they should go back to their countries of origin.

Of course, Muslim Americans like my children, who were born here, have no place to go. This is their home.

The response of many American Muslims to the tragedy of Sept. 11 is seen in two extremes. At one end is the group most visible on the Internet, still working on the conspiracy theory, touting the idea that this evil act was done by the work of Mossad, the CIA, the Pentagon, the militia or remote control devices, completely denying the possibility that it could have been the evil act and plot of Muslim terrorists.

On the other extreme are Muslim leaders, who, after recovering from the shock of Sept. 11, suffered from an unwarranted guilt complex and became apologetic. After visits by the FBI, they realized they must make politically correct statements now in order to save American Islam. They had to change their tone of speech and writing, and even retracted and regretted statements made before Sept. 11 against the U.S. "superpower."

Now, some of them are telling the same Muslim-American audience, "If you do not like the West, go back to your own country."

The average middle-class, mosque-going Muslims who run grocery stores, are office workers or students, are totally confused at what they should do or say. Should they side with the terrorists overseas or with the superpower that is bombing the innocent civilians in hospitals and houses in Afghanistan in order to free the world of these terrorists?

How can we present Islam to those who stereotype, profile and even call us their enemy? On record are close to 1,000 cases of such hate crimes since Sept. 11. Is the FBI our friend or our foe? Will our children get admission to schools of flight training, biomedical research and nuclear physics? Will we ever feel comfortable flying as a passenger in an airplane? Will our women in hijab be able to shop without fear?

The joy of being a Muslim in America is gone, at least for now. How can we live our faith while we work with those who defame it? We Muslim Americans are going through the most difficult time in our history in this country. These are difficult questions, and I have no simple solutions.

I hope and pray we regain our bruised self-esteem. Many of us, especially those from overseas, tend to live in the past rather than the present. While our bodies are here, our hearts and minds were left behind. We need to bring our hearts to the land we have adopted as our home.

Ordinary Muslim Americans need to take charge of our religion as we take charge of our families, our health and our lives. We should learn Islam for ourselves as a religion of love, peace and tolerance and prove it by our individual actions. If we want to be counted as Muslim Americans, we must take all the concerns of Americans, whether terrorism, anthrax, drugs, violence or even pollution as our own concerns. We must show Islam by our actions, not by speeches, videotapes and pamphlets.

We must denounce all those who use religion for their political gain and denounce political powers that wish to abuse the religion of Islam. We must reclaim our faith from the terrorists who hijacked it and also from the leadership who apologize for them.

God has chosen Islam for us, and we are thankful for it. As for the question, "Are you with us or with the terrorists?" We are neither with the terrorists nor with those who intend to terrorize us. We are here to stay, vote and participate in the American process. We are not going back, nor can we be interned.

Athar, M.D., is past president of the Islamic Society of Greater Indianapolis and the author of numerous articles on Islam. He can be reached by e-mail at sathar3624@aol.com


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1 posted on 12/16/2001 4:36:38 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
500 Muslims died on 9/11? That's 1/6 of estimated deaths. Wonder the percent of Muslims in U.S.? Could this be right or do we have another wild and wide-eyed journalist?
2 posted on 12/16/2001 4:43:40 AM PST by not-an-ostrich
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The average middle-class, mosque-going Muslims who run grocery stores, are office workers or students, are totally confused at what they should do or say. Should they side with the terrorists overseas or with the superpower that is bombing the innocent civilians in hospitals and houses in Afghanistan in order to free the world of these terrorists?

Mr. Athar. Please go. If you can't tell the difference between good and evil, then you should just leave. By the way, take some academics with you. Thanks.

3 posted on 12/16/2001 4:46:15 AM PST by LenS
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To: sarcasm
This entire article got my blood pressure up.

All the progress made in the growth of Islam in our country for the last 50 years seems to be reversed, and some immigrant Muslims have started to question whether they should go back to their countries of origin.

Please, by all means...

On the other extreme are Muslim leaders, who, after recovering from the shock of Sept. 11, suffered from an unwarranted guilt complex and became apologetic.

Please indulge me. These Muslim leaders are who?

Should they side with the terrorists overseas or with the superpower that is bombing the innocent civilians in hospitals and houses in Afghanistan.

WTF? Just how many "innocent civillians" have been bombed in Afghanistan? Maybe a microscopic fraction of those killed on 9-11 (if any at all).

The joy of being a Muslim in America is gone, at least for now.

Oh cry me a river... Do these people think only of themselves? I have heard little remourse, only the moans and groans of being discriminated against while celebrating in the streets.

4 posted on 12/16/2001 4:50:24 AM PST by Drew68
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To: not-an-ostrich
It's fantasy. But complete fabrications seem to be the stock in trade of so much of the Islamic world. Part of that might be the nature of Arabic as a language.
5 posted on 12/16/2001 4:50:34 AM PST by LenS
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To: not-an-ostrich
Could this be right

Nope!

6 posted on 12/16/2001 4:51:22 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: LenS
Will our children get admission to schools of flight training?

Fat Chance.

7 posted on 12/16/2001 4:52:48 AM PST by USNBandit
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To: not-an-ostrich
All the progress made in the growth of Islam in our country for the last 50 years seems to be reversed, and some immigrant Muslims have started to question whether they should go back to their countries of origin.

Maybe because the Koran teaches muslims to kill infidels, and the non-muslim US population has just gotten educated. How many non-muslims in the US ever read the Koran before 9/11? Don't let the door hit.....

8 posted on 12/16/2001 4:53:01 AM PST by Go Gordon
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To: sarcasm
bump
9 posted on 12/16/2001 4:54:44 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: sarcasm; SJackson; anapikoros; white trash redneck; Sheik Yerbouty; Inyokern; Anamensis...
Will our women in hijab be able to shop without fear?

It's the Israelis who are getting blown up in shopping malls, you cretin (the cretin being Athar, not sarcasm who brought this barf alert to our attention).

10 posted on 12/16/2001 4:55:47 AM PST by Alouette
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To: sarcasm
Here's the CONTEST -- Who's got the best tag line for Islam. Here's my entry to start: ISLAM -- THE RELIGION THAT LOVES TO HATE.
11 posted on 12/16/2001 4:56:22 AM PST by jrlc
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To: not-an-ostrich
500 Muslims died on 9/11? That's 1/6 of estimated deaths. Wonder the percent of Muslims in U.S.? Could this be right or do we have another wild and wide-eyed journalist?

Maybe their 600 number (which is fanciful bs) includes the demons who flew the planes into the buildings.

12 posted on 12/16/2001 4:59:18 AM PST by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
I hope and pray we regain our bruised self-esteem. Many of us, especially those from overseas, tend to live in the past rather than the present. While our bodies are here, our hearts and minds were left behind. We need to bring our hearts to the land we have adopted as our home.

Why not take your sorry arse back to where your heart is? So for 50 years, while you have adopted the US as your "home", your heart never came with it. I guess Allah will be real proud of you living the good life in the US, while abandoning your bretheren. What a bunch of cowards. At least the muslims that came to this country to educate themselves (better than they could in the homeland) and then returned home to try to make their countries better can be given a certain amount of respect.

13 posted on 12/16/2001 4:59:56 AM PST by Go Gordon
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To: sarcasm
A FORMER MUSLIM PROFESSOR ON WHY HE LEFT ISLAM (click on picture)


The Hardcover edition.


14 posted on 12/16/2001 5:01:44 AM PST by Cacique
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To: sarcasm
"some immigrant Muslims have started to question whether they should go back to their countries of origin."

I feel threatened by anyone who believes that perverted Islam crap, go home!

15 posted on 12/16/2001 5:02:30 AM PST by blam
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To: Alouette
TRANSLATION:
We don't care about America but we Muslims do care that our life here is a lot more dicey since our fellow Muslims killed thousands of Americans while on a Jihad.
16 posted on 12/16/2001 5:02:45 AM PST by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
Where is the Muslim leadership condemning these terrorists!

The silence is DEAFENING!

17 posted on 12/16/2001 5:03:13 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: sarcasm
I don't see one word of anger here about this attack on America.

All I see is some Muslim complaining about treatment of his fellow Muslims in America. Also lying too about 1000 hate crimes.

19 posted on 12/16/2001 5:05:31 AM PST by dennisw
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To: jrlc
Who's got the best tag line for Islam.

ISLAM - Uncle Osama wants YOU!

or

ISLAM - There's a future in martrdom

or

ISLAM - The Clintonian religion

20 posted on 12/16/2001 5:06:53 AM PST by Go Gordon
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To: sarcasm
 

" We are not going back, nor can we be interned."

 

21 posted on 12/16/2001 5:07:46 AM PST by carmelanne
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To: dennisw
Considering that the most comprehensive surveys indicate that there are 1,800,000 Muslims in ths USA (INCLUDING "BLACK MUSLIMS") or less than 1%, AND that there is no evidence that Muslims are vastly over-represented in the financial services sector (e.g. Cantor Fitzgerald bond trading company which lost 700 of the 3500 total), his figure of 500 is obviously a propaganda statement. But remember that there is a doctrine from the earliest days of the invention of Islam, which states that a Muslim is obligated to lie (to infidels such as us) when telling a lie would advance the cause of Islam. (There are numerous references in the Quran that the Allah-spirit supposedly told Mohammed it is OK to break treaties when needed. M. just needed to have the go-ahead to do something like massacre 900 Jews in medina and the Allah-spirit would give a revelation immediately saying "oh, ok, whatever".
22 posted on 12/16/2001 5:08:44 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: dennisw
In New York they were defining a "hate crime" as slamming the door on a cab.
23 posted on 12/16/2001 5:10:27 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Hmmm...maybe the FBI should pay this Muslim a visit.
24 posted on 12/16/2001 5:11:04 AM PST by healey22
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To: not-an-ostrich
We should learn Islam for ourselves as a religion of love, peace and tolerance

This must be a different kind of Islam that has a different Holy Book, or maybe this kind reads a redacted Quran.

25 posted on 12/16/2001 5:11:37 AM PST by arthurus
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To: sarcasm
...immigrant Muslims have started to question whether they should go back to their countries of origin.

Easy answer: Go...

"If you do not like the West, go back to your own country."

...and don't let the door hit you in the ass.

26 posted on 12/16/2001 5:12:23 AM PST by stboz
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To: sarcasm
Thanks for the illuminating post. What a self-centered, self-pitying load.

Will our children get admission to schools of flight training, biomedical research and nuclear physics?

If they're citizens, they're getting admission now and can't legally be denied it. More strangely, so are non-citizen nationals of the same countries the hijackers came from. (I'll bet the next thing will be someone bitching about not getting a security clearance.)

Will we ever feel comfortable flying as a passenger in an airplane?

Will WE? (whatever "we" means? I assume he is claiming to speak for all muslims in the US, so I'll go ahead and speak for all non-muslims).

28 posted on 12/16/2001 5:12:51 AM PST by pttttt
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
Here's something from another Russian fellow.

 

These are the Musli, historical accuracy has no meaning for them in their religious dialectic. As with everything, it is just a tool to spread their version of the dialectic...as much an epidemic on man kind as the former Soviet variety.

10 Posted on 06/20/2001 21:56:41 PDT by Stavka2
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29 posted on 12/16/2001 5:13:12 AM PST by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
Who cares? Send them to hell with allah their false god.
30 posted on 12/16/2001 5:14:27 AM PST by WhirlwindAttack
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To: sarcasm
Doctor Profiles

Whining fool  M.D., F.A.C.E., F.A.C.P.

Dr. Athar has practiced Endocrinology since 1974. He is staff physician at St. Vincent Hospital and Clinical Associate Professor of Medicine at the Indiana University School of Medicine. He is a Fellow, American College of Endocrinology and American College of Physicians.

More of his writing at http://www.islam-usa.com/ (and elsewhere). Here's a brief sample:

O Allah, You gave us freedom, but many Muslims are living under oppression or as refugees. O Allah, give victory to all those who are striving for Your cause. O Allah, give us leaders who are wise and pious. O Allah, You who put love in the heart of believers, unite us now so that we can recognize our enemy, the Satan, and walk away from him and walk together toward You. O Allah, You have asked us "to save yourself and your families from hell fire." Help us achieve this by establishing Islam in ourselves, our families, our community and our countries including the USA.

31 posted on 12/16/2001 5:16:37 AM PST by RippleFire
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To: jrlc
ISLAM...THE RELIGION OF DENIAL

ISLAM...WHO NEEDS REALITY

32 posted on 12/16/2001 5:17:09 AM PST by DeckTheHallsHolly
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To: not-an-ostrich
On the other extreme are Muslim leaders, who, after recovering from the shock of Sept. 11, suffered from an unwarranted guilt complex and became apologetic. After visits by the FBI, they realized they must make politically correct statements now in order to save American Islam. They had to change their tone of speech and writing, and even retracted and regretted statements made before Sept. 11 against the U.S. "superpower."

So have you heard any of these folks? There have been a couple as of late on TV talking out of both sides of their mouths..

As for the ones lost...hey they too were marytrs..they got their 72 virgins..

33 posted on 12/16/2001 5:17:20 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: sarcasm
There is a BIG difference between the immigrants of eighty years ago and the NEW immigrants from third world cesspools of Africa, Mexico, South America and the Middle-east. Eighty years ago immigrants came here with a belief that freedom, capitalism and hard work would pay off. They came here to be Americans and quickly assimilated into the American culture. The NEW immigrants, muslims included, come here not to be Americans, but to just be ex-patriots, unable to function in their homeland and critical of their new homeland. They would NEVER defend America, as has been proven in the aftermath of 9/11. HAS ANY MUSLIM CLERIC OR MOSQUE IN AMERICA CONDEMMED THE 9/11 ATTACKS?

To all you NEW immigrants: PLEASE LEAVE - you'll feel more at home in the third-world dictatorship from which you came. PS: Take your kids with you. America doesn't need you, never has and never will. Don't hand me this crap about you pay taxes too. It takes more than being a taxpayer to be an American.

34 posted on 12/16/2001 5:19:09 AM PST by glockmeister40
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To: RippleFire
Help us achieve this by establishing Islam in ourselves, our families, our community and our countries including the USA.

When they will then attempt to ban any other religions.

35 posted on 12/16/2001 5:20:26 AM PST by sarcasm
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We are neither with the terrorists nor with those who intend to terrorize us. We are here to stay, vote and participate in the American process.

Note the absence of the term,"become good Americans."

36 posted on 12/16/2001 5:22:23 AM PST by ivanhoe116
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To: not-an-ostrich
500 Muslims died on 9/11?

Probably true.

But it's a worldwide figure.

ML/NJ

37 posted on 12/16/2001 5:22:31 AM PST by ml/nj
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"Are you with us or with the terrorists?" We are neither with the terrorists nor with those who intend to terrorize us. We are here to stay, vote and participate in the American process. We are not going back, nor can we be interned.

In other words, these A-RABS are neither against the U.S. of A. nor are they against any future attacks on this country by their relatives and friends... Well, raghead....That doesn't leave many options...

38 posted on 12/16/2001 5:22:52 AM PST by Iscool
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To: glockmeister40
well said!
39 posted on 12/16/2001 5:25:34 AM PST by dennisw
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To: RnMomof7
And it is not even a real statement of true feeling...it is a PC statement. My blood is boiling.
40 posted on 12/16/2001 5:27:11 AM PST by DeckTheHallsHolly
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To: RnMomof7
I don't know about 500 but I do know about 19 who died. They somehow had a choice in the matter though.
41 posted on 12/16/2001 5:28:00 AM PST by xp38
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Exageration and pure & simple lies, I noticed, is the sign of guilt. And it's what we see in any muslims' response to the 9-11. This author is no exception. I think muslims' considering to return to their countries is very reasonable consideration, because the majority of non-muslim Americans and people of other countries will have 'hard time' to forget and forgive what they did to humanity.
42 posted on 12/16/2001 5:36:19 AM PST by truther
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To: sarcasm
Bump
43 posted on 12/16/2001 5:36:48 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: sarcasm
An Islamic can not be trusted. What is Islamic truth? Appearently one thing to a non-Islamic and another to an Islamic. The Quran instructs the Islamic to lie to a non-Inslamic if it furthers the Islamic agenda of World conversion. The words out the mouth of an Islamic is a waste of oxygen.
44 posted on 12/16/2001 5:39:07 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: sarcasm
On the other extreme are Muslim leaders, who, after recovering from the shock of Sept. 11, suffered from an unwarranted guilt complex and became apologetic.

The guilt is NOT UNWARRANTED if the following quotation is a real question:

Should they side with the terrorists overseas or with the superpower that is bombing the innocent civilians in hospitals and houses in Afghanistan.

Someone pursuades Islamic Terrorists to commit their crimes. Others stand around pretending Terrorism can be somehous justified. Both are guilty.

Conclusion: From this article we see that Moslems, in fact, form groups hostile to the U. S. and the honor and freedom the U. S. stands for. Therefore, Moslems should be denied entrance to the U. S., and those that are already inside the U.S. monitored (i.e., spied on) as closely or more closely than we monitor the other openly hostile domestic groups openly.

45 posted on 12/16/2001 5:39:09 AM PST by JohnCliftn
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To: xp38
Treachery and lying seems to come naturally with the Muslims. Could it be because the Koran and Allah give the approval to such shenanigans?
46 posted on 12/16/2001 5:39:33 AM PST by meenie
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To: sarcasm
The average middle-class, mosque-going Muslims who run grocery stores, are office workers or students, are totally confused at what they should do or say. Should they side with the terrorists overseas or...

Thats says it all right there! Get the *ell out of America terrorist scum!

47 posted on 12/16/2001 5:43:26 AM PST by Walkin Man
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that figure of 500 sounds....dare i say it at the risk of offending muslims............a lie. it's always about them, isn't it. nothing about how they can improve the image of islam only about how we should be tolerant and understand and help them, and islam is a peaceful religion,ad nauseum. maybe if they showed their allegiance to the US first, and islam second, our attitudes would change.
48 posted on 12/16/2001 5:44:32 AM PST by contessa machiaveli
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To: contessa machiaveli
If the author thinks it's rough being a Muslim in America, he ought to try being a Christian in a Muslim or Arab country. I don't fool myself about the benevolent nature of Islam (/sarcasm).
49 posted on 12/16/2001 5:55:28 AM PST by umgud
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To: sarcasm
We should learn Islam for ourselves as a religion of love, peace and tolerance

I can never understand how the hell muslims get people to believe this. They always complain that they Islam is a very tolerant and peace-loving religion, and for some reason, many believe them. However, actions speak louder than words, and their actions show that they are actually quite violent and intolerant. For example, just look at some of their governments (case in point, the Taliban). In addition, I don't see other religions sending terrorists to spread their religion. What is even funnier is that they always make parallels between what they do and what other countries such as Israel do. For example, when Israelis say that the Arabs bombed hangouts for young people and attack school busses, Arabs quickly point out that there are kids killed in attacks of retaliation (like that kid who was killed about a year ago). The difference, however, is that the Arabs target Israeli children, whereas Arab children get killed in cross-fires. What is even more ironic is that the people on the news keep emphasizing Arab civilian casualties whenever they broadcast news from the middle east, yet they never seem to mention Afghani casualties. Its not like I'm crying a river for them, nor do I really feel any sense of remorse for them, just the U.S. is still being hypocritical of what it does and what it lets other countries do.

50 posted on 12/16/2001 5:56:51 AM PST by kevlinsky
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