Posted on 12/18/2001 12:45:38 PM PST by igotunow
SIMPLY STATED, the Muslim world has failed to confront the challenges of modern life. And as a result, many Muslims have lashed out, with the strong in Muslim societies abusing the weak. In Afghanistan under the Taliban, vulnerable subgroups like women and ethnic minorities have faced oppressive intolerance. In Iraq, government abuse of the general populace is overt and brutal. In Pakistan, repeated attempts to implement democracy have been foiled by widespread corruption: Political leaders loot the national coffers and democracy fails. The result is that Islamic civilization is in ruins. And for devoted Muslims, this is an excruciating reality.
Cut this sterling example of political correctness some slack.
She can't wrap her mind around the reality that all these good qualities are evident because they are here, not because they are Muslim
In the US the most pathetic cult can thrive because exploitation is not a national pastime.
The Muslims who immigrate to America do not share the distain that most Muslims have for everything "Western".
Most Muslims would do no better in America than the Amish or ghetto youths who don't adapt to our culture.
Get used to it!!!!
And, of course, hate, violence and death.
It is very hard not to be biased toward a movement that has yet to master the complexities of indoor plumbing.
There is the little matter of the fact that thousands of our people have recently been *hurt*, and everyone of them by muslims. What does that say about you?
Haven't you seen pictures of muslim Palestinians cheering in the streets after 9/11 and heard reports of cheering in Egypt and elsewhere? Some muslim leaders have expressed a sort of sympathy but by-and-large the muslim outcry has been deafening in it's silence. Can't you even see what we're mad about, muslim? Are you that blind? Do you think this is like Clinton as president and Bush will just go bomb another aspirin factory in Sudan plus a useless strike in Afghanistan and call it quits? No way, you've miscalculated entirely.
Algebra, astronomy, literature, medicine, architecture.
However, in the past 500 years, nothing.
Sure it has a basis. It is rooted in the fact that Islam is nothing but moronic, dogmatic tripe which produces only cultural constipation and its twin offspring, poverty and hate.
Now, I say that is fact. You would say its opinion. Unfortunately for you I am right. And that's a fact. However, if poverty and hate, filth and fleas, death and destruction, represent your philosophical and theological aspirations, then, well, maybe I could be wrong.
But the Muslim world still has not mastered the art of indoor plumbing.
never been along Atlantic Ave in Brooklyn, have you, cookie?
First of all I would like to state that I live in the Netherlands. My country has been "blessed" with the "best islam" has to offer for more than 25 years. They really contribute "positively" to our multicultural society over here in Holland. 13% of our total population is muslim (3% of our total is foreign and not muslim), yet 60-75% of criminals held in our jails for heavy crimes are "foreign" (read muslim). Also (from the Telegraaf, a Dutch newspaper), 38% of all crimes committed by youths is done by Dutch youths, meaning the rest is committed by muslim youth (Moroccan, Turkish and Afrikan muslims). Also included in the 38% are 3rd generation Moroccans and Turks (the grandchilderen of our guest-workers). Look at the next threads for more "valuable contributions" muslims make to my country:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/573603/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/579834/posts
I saw islam as a threat to every non-muslim even way before 9/11. Ask some Sikh people what they think of islam!
Just look at the next list of islam-countries:
Irak: using chemical warfare on almost anyone
Iran: all people who are a member of any political party other than the islamic one are thrown into jail and are senctened to study the koran for years, stoning is common pratice
Sudan: many Christian Sudanese are killed or being sold as slaves to states as Yemen and the UAE
Nigeria, Indonesia and Somalia: random killing of Christians, also group rapes of Chinese woman reported
Malasia and the Philipenes: random killing and kidnapping of non-muslims
Bangladesh: mass murder and mass rape of kafirs committed by muslims (kafir = non-muslim population of a conquored county declared "prey to do with as you like")
Saudi-Arabia, Egypt: Christians are second-class citizens and are forbidden to practise their religion
Libia, Syria, Jordan: openly support terrorism (Hamas, Islamic Jihad)
Pakistan, Afghanistan: killing of woman for just looking at other man
All these countries have one thing in common: islam. There is no freedom there, no rights, just islam and oppression.
And about the Mexicans, Sikh and other immigrants: when was it the last time those poeple flew planes in building for a holy mission?
I will tell you another nice thing about muslims:
On the friday after the 9/11 attacks, we had a three minute silence to think of the fallen. There was a live TV coverage of the three minute silence at the American embassy in Den Haag. After the silence there was a rerun of a tv program of the NMO (Nederlandse Muslim Broadcaster). Thousands of people who tuned in on the meeting in Den Haag watched in shock at the NMO program, wich was about readings from the koran. There was this song about non-believers: "according to allah the non-beleivers are just fuel for the fires in hell".
NOW TELL ME AGAIN HOW WRONG WE ARE ABOUT ISLAM!!!
Not all muslims are terrorists, but look at how many terrorists are muslim! (convince yourself and look here)
By the way, talking about a kafir: muslims say al the time that killing innocents is forbidden by islam. But what muslims do not tell you is that they consider their non-muslim (infidles) "enemies" as NOT-innocent. They declare the people "kafir" and a kafir may be delt with as they like (as in raping, plundering and killing).
I am sorry, but I cannot defend islam as being peaceful and tolerant, I never have, I never will!
Cookie, do like bin Laden and run like hell when you've lost the *argument*.
And what does it say that you would call me a Muslim because i'm condemning predjudice?
Let's get down to it, are you a Muslim? I realize that it is permissable to lie to infidels, but would you deny your faith?
You must be very young and naive if you believe that all "group of folks" are equally deserving.
I have lived in a Muslim country. Even in their own countries there is a vast difference between the members of the different sects just as there is a vast diference between different Muslim nations.
Grow up and accept the fact that there are certain religious beliefs that harmful. Many millions of people have died in the name of religion. Over 3000 died in the WTC attack because the suicide pilots believed they were doing the will of their God.
The Muslim religion teaches that non-Muslims (infidels) are little more than dogs. The vast majority of Muslims feel no moral restraint against lying to, stealing from, or defrauding an infidel.
Yes, the Bible and Talud contain messages of war and intolerance. But just look at the different lives of Jezus Christ and Mohammed. Mohammed was killing off Jews and non-believers, oh and merrying a 6-year old girl, called Ayesha. He waited until she was 9 years old to have sex with her, how nice of him. He also had a sex-slave: In many occasions Mohammed did not even spare women who were originally allotted to other soldiers of his tribe after gaining a victory in War. One such woman was Safia Bint Huyay. This Jewish woman was captured by lecherous muslim invaders after the Jews were brutally murdered by Mohammed. According to a Quranic Sura (8:41) four fifths of any booty or spoil that is won after murdering the non-believers, is distributed to the barbaric invaders. In Islam, women of other religion are also considered as booty, so Safiya bint Huyay was allotted to a soldier called Dahia. But when Mohammed the ascetic heard of her 'incomparable beauty', he sent for Dahiya, paid him Safiya's price and married her. (Ibn Saad, al-Tabaqat, pp. 120-123).
And the group rapings are aslo reported in Denmark and Australia. Also the Moroccans and Algerians terrorize Belgium and France (why do you think they have those very rightwinged parties over there?).
And to answer your question of how we treated the guest-workers, we let them practice their religion, unlike muslims states do with Christians. We gave them the same education and medical facilities ase we have. We gave them jobs and a chance to settle their families. We give them the same social wellfare like we have.
And predjudice? Did you read the article of the young girl being raped by a group of 9 to 16 year old mosly Moroccan boys? What kind of social economic factors or discrimination are at work there for them do rape her? Not even one of them had the sense to stop it. They act in such criminal ways because nobody tells them to stop, not their parents, not their clerics, not their islam believes!
Look at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/590907/posts for more nice things they do over here and than look http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/592058/posts here to see it has got nothing to do with the fact where they live!
Muslims are ruled by their clerics, who are most often good and true men
Well, than we got some bad ones over here. About a month ago a imman named Hasselhoef said in the media that all gays should be killed! He later refrased that to: "Where ever to governement allows it". By the countries were it allows he means the countries where those "nice and good" clerics live. Why do you think muslims who are gay flee from those countries and live over here? Because our Christian state does not allow the killing of any man unlike the islam-states. And muslim clerics good men? Like the ones that say that the terrorist attcks on 9/11 were justified and no innocent people where killed? Or the clerics that applaud the killing of non-muslims or the oppression of woman?
And the Christian states turned out just fine I think. Just look at the freedom they offer! I tried to look at muslim countries in other ways, but all I saw was the facade, the intolerance, the oppression, the killing of woman and their support to terrorists! Did you heard "moderate muslims" really condem any terrorist attack? It's just "well I do not approve, but I can understand their motives". What are the motives? What is it that justifies the killing of as much innocents as they can? IT IS ISLAM! THEY ARE KILLING IN ALLAH'S NAME AND PRAISING HIM EVERY TIME THEY DO IT!
It's NOT a minority, many of them fund or aid the terror, money, passpots and so on. My harddrive is crammed full of stuff I could show you people that reveals some nice things about islam. Just do some searching on the FR. In the meanwhile let me show you these sites:
http://www.hindutva.org/AnwarShaikh/ArabImperialism/
http://www.islamreview.com/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca/
http://www.geocities.com/islamic_monitor/ (Intolerance is Fundamental to Islam and The Islamic Agenda are nice articles)
http://www.geocities.com/islamic_monitor/
http://www.rim.org/muslim/islam.htm
All these site were made before 9/11. But 9/11 should have been a wake up call for the rest of us, I am sorry to say that I guess you missed it.
And the conservatives are on the move now in Holland, thanks to Pim Fortuyn with his party "Leefbaar Nederland" (BTW he wrote a book on the dangers of islam in Holland).
He sounded forth a trumpet that shall never call retreat! Our truth (and our God) is marching on!
En ook tot ziens en een gelukkig kerstfeest en een zalig nieuwjaar!
From my count on that infamous videotape, bin Laden praises allah for 9/ll every other sentence and so do other muslim leaders. Keep telling the truth, the Palestianians shove their children out to throw rocks and then scream with the kiddies get hurt. Their leaders advise all their followers to fight to the death, but then the leaders take off when the bombs come. Feh!!! This is an all-time attempted propaganda con-job but we won't put up with it, the fires are still burning in Manhattan.
And you need to copy and paste those websites into your browser.
I get the feeling you are not to familiar with it, so let me help you out:
1. select the site from the http:// to the end of the line with your mouse.
2. push the ctrl and c key on your keyboard at the same time (apple symbol instead of the ctrl in case you own a Mac)
Open a new browser window (ctrl + N), put the cursor on the adress bar and push ctrl + v
There you go! Amazing ain't it?
Oh, and tomorrow (it's 12:55 in the evening now, getting off to bed) I will translate some nice things other people like you say, it may be fun to read it, you will directly like them I guess, they are against the US too! Their comments are really stupid and tell a lot about the people that "embrace" and defend islam.
I am not the only one who is against islam. We are sick and tired of them killing innocent people off just in the name of allah, and then lying to us about how "tolerant and peaceful they are!. And I know that we are not the only ones, just asked some Jews and Hindous what they think of islam.
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