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Israeli army says no action on wounded reporters
Reuters | 12/19/01

Posted on 12/19/2001 3:16:25 AM PST by kattracks

JERUSALEM, Dec 18 (Reuters) - The Israeli army said on Tuesday it had largely concluded a review of complaints by journalists wounded while covering Israeli-Palestinian violence and decided against any further action against soldiers.

The Foreign Press Association (FPA), representing foreign journalists in Israel and the Palestinian territories, described the findings as incomplete and said they contributed to an atmosphere in which soldiers were not held accountable for shooting reporters in the field.

The army said in a statement its review "indicates that all the cases in which journalists were injured took place during violent confrontations".

It noted reporters covering a 15-month-old Palestinian uprising put themselves at "certain risk", adding "there is nothing in the complaints to suggest a pattern, or to suggest premeditated or wilful intent on the part of IDF (Israel Defence Forces) troops to harm the journalists".

The army cited six examples of journalists who were shot -- including a Reuters photographer and cameraman -- saying that in each case violent demonstrations or exchanges of fire were taking place between troops and Palestinians at the time.

In some instances, the army said, it did not have conclusive evidence the wounds were caused by Israeli fire.

The FPA said the release of the army's findings more than a year after the complaints were made, and the overall lack of punitive measures, did not suggest the probes were thorough.

"The message this delivers to soldiers, whether the army intends this or not, is that preventing the shooting of journalists and punishing those who shoot them are not of utmost importance," the FPA said in a statement.

It demanded that the army "treat any such future incidents with greater seriousness than it has applied to date".

40 JOURNALISTS SHOT

Press freedom groups have cited some 40 cases of journalists wounded by shooting while working for foreign news organisations in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.

The army mentioned two cases in which soldiers were reprimanded and removed from serving in an area in which reporters were wounded by Israeli fire.

It said one incident involving an Abu Dhabi television reporter was still under review.

The army said it had taken steps such as educational programmes for soldiers and closer coordination with representatives of the press to prevent future incidents.

"The IDF has an unequivocal commitment to the professional freedom of journalists and to their safety in all that regards their contact with the IDF," the army statement said, adding it viewed journalists "as innocent civilians".

© Reuters Limited



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1 posted on 12/19/2001 3:16:25 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Only 40? And only wounded at that? Jeez, I thought the marksmanship of the IDF was better than that!
2 posted on 12/19/2001 3:18:51 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: kattracks
What a bunch of morons. It's the same principle as a knife fight. If you're out in the open in a combat zone, you're going to get shot.
3 posted on 12/19/2001 3:21:36 AM PST by ipfreely
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To: kattracks
(40 cases of journalists wounded by shooting)

Wounded journalists are much more intertaining that head-shot ones who tend to just drop instantly...I used to love Sunday mornings on our squatter's patch...Sunday was fried chicken day...by 10am all us kids were lined up on the fence waiting for Pa to select which chicken neck to wring off...Watching that headless chicken flappin around squirtin blood and sheddin feathers never failed to excite us...We were still yappin about it 2 hours later as we fought over the last piece...

4 posted on 12/19/2001 3:33:08 AM PST by Tarzantheape
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To: kattracks
The only thing a reporter or photographer should know when going into a war zone is the art of duck & cover.
5 posted on 12/19/2001 3:42:05 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: kattracks
Why doesn't Fox send Geraldo to the Gaza strip?
6 posted on 12/19/2001 4:03:13 AM PST by LarryM
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To: kattracks
The liberal signiature is all over this story, according to the author, since the IDF was not found to have systematically targeted the reporters, the investigation was obviously not thorough enough. Sounds like Gore in Florida.
7 posted on 12/19/2001 4:23:55 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: The Documentary Lady
Are you allowed to recount the story of your wounding?
11 posted on 12/19/2001 4:40:43 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: The Documentary Lady
Went to your Web site. Definitely saw reporters shot. Doesn't mean that's happening deliberately, though.

Anyway, war zones are war zones. I mean, you don't deny that Palestinian gunmen are shooting at Israelis, do you? And that Israelis fire back? It's not a lovely situation, and if you're smack in the middle of it, well you might get hurt. It's not 'fair' for anybody.

13 posted on 12/19/2001 4:50:06 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: The Documentary Lady
Also, since when do you get to 'bump' your own post?
14 posted on 12/19/2001 4:51:50 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: kattracks
"The message this delivers to soldiers, whether the army intends this or not, is that preventing the shooting of journalists and punishing those who shoot them are not of utmost importance," the FPA said in a statement.

Aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war is a dangerous occupation.

15 posted on 12/19/2001 4:53:44 AM PST by a_witness
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To: The Documentary Lady
I'm in Detroit

Why are you in Detroit ?

16 posted on 12/19/2001 4:59:14 AM PST by a_witness
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To: The Documentary Lady
Israeli reporters verify it

Which Israeli reporters? Amira Hass, the reporter for Ha'aretz who was ordered by the Israeli courts to pay $85,000 in a libel suit? Amira Hass, the Israeli's answer to Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane? That Israeli reporter?

17 posted on 12/19/2001 5:06:55 AM PST by Alouette
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To: Alouette
"Israeli reporters verify it"

Besides, being a reporter is like being a Muslim ... it trumps all other allegiances and beliefs. They're a Muslim/reporter first, last, and always ... it's the herd mentality.

18 posted on 12/19/2001 5:09:35 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: The Documentary Lady
In simple terms:

In a combat/hostile fire zone, all reporters should be shot.

Survivors should be shot again.

20 posted on 12/19/2001 5:15:42 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: The Documentary Lady
Litigation is the general responce to intentional attacks, I was curious about your personal story if you were permitted to tell it.
22 posted on 12/19/2001 5:18:41 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: The Documentary Lady
My family has been here since 1635

The City of Detroit was not established until 1701.

23 posted on 12/19/2001 5:20:39 AM PST by Alouette
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To: The Documentary Lady
My family has been here since 1635, but every winter about this time I swear I'm moving to Florida.

I hear Ramallah is much more comfortable this time of year, if you hate Israel.

25 posted on 12/19/2001 5:21:55 AM PST by a_witness
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To: Alouette
The City of Detroit was not established until 1701.

Don't confuse her with facts. She might forget the mantra.

26 posted on 12/19/2001 5:23:18 AM PST by a_witness
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To: The Documentary Lady
The report is bad. Very, very bad.

You're aware that a free press exists in Israel so reporters can write pretty much anything they want without fear of reprisals other than libel suits. Just because the report makes the IDF "look bad" doesn't necessarily mean that it's G-d's truth.

Why don't you comment on the treatment of journalists by the Palestinians?

I'll have nightmares the rest of my life

Mark Seager, 29, a British photographer, was working on a pictorial study of Palestinian refugees when he found himself caught up in the horrific lynching of two Israeli army reservists in Ramallah. The only journalist to witness the beating, as he tried to take the photograph that would have made his fortune, the crowd turned on him with such hatred, destroying his camera, that he feared for his own life.

This is his eyewitness account:

I had arrived in Ramallah at about 10:30 in the morning and was getting into a taxi on the main road to go to Nablus, where there was to be a funeral that I wanted to film, when all of a sudden there came a big crowd of Palestinians shouting and running down the hill from the police station.

I got out of the car to see what was happening and saw that they were dragging something behind them. Within moments they were in front of me and, to my horror, I saw that it was a body, a man they were dragging by the feet. The lower part of his body was on fire and the upper part had been shot at, and the head beaten so badly that it was a pulp, like red jelly.

I thought he was a soldier because I could see the remains of khaki trousers and boots. My God, I thought, they've killed this guy. He was dead, he must have been dead, but they were still beating him, madly, kicking his head. They were like animals.

They were just a few feet in front of me and I could see everything. Instinctively, I reached for my camera. I was composing the picture when I was punched in the face by a Palestinian. Another Palestinian pointed right at me shouting "no picture, no picture!" while another guy hit me in the face and said "give me your film!"

I tried to get the film out but they were all grabbing me and one guy just pulled the camera off me and smashed it to the floor. I knew I had lost the chance to take the photograph that would have made me famous and I had lost my favorite lens that I'd used all over the world, but I didn't care. I was scared for my life.

At the same time, the guy that looked like a soldier was being beaten and the crowd was getting angrier and angrier, shouting "Allah akbar" -- God is great. They were dragging the dead man around the street like a cat toying with a mouse. It was the most horrible thing that I have ever seen and I have reported from Congo, Kosovo, many bad places. In Kosovo, I saw Serbs beating an Albanian but it wasn't like this. There was such hatred, such unbelievable hatred and anger distorting their faces.

The worst thing was that I realised the anger that they were directing at me was the same as that which they'd had toward the soldier before dragging him from the police station and killing him. Somehow I escaped and ran and ran not knowing where I was going. I never saw the other guy they killed, the one they threw out of the window.

I thought that I'd got to know the Palestinians well. I've made six trips this year and had been going to Ramallah every day for the past 16 days. I thought they were kind, hospitable people. I know they are not all like this and I'm a very forgiving person but I'll never forget this. It was murder of the most barbaric kind. When I think about it, I see that man's head, all smashed. I know that I'll have nightmares for the rest of my life.

27 posted on 12/19/2001 5:31:11 AM PST by Alouette
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To: The Documentary Lady
Yep. My family was here Detroit was Detroit. The family name is recorded as being among the first settlers in Detroit. The document is in the Detroit Library downtown.

Are not then, a settler or sorts, occupying land that used to belong to others ?

33 posted on 12/19/2001 6:18:09 AM PST by a_witness
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To: The Documentary Lady
What? No one was here in the 1600s? Better check your history.

You were not here. What right do you have to that occupied territory ?

34 posted on 12/19/2001 6:19:06 AM PST by a_witness
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To: The Documentary Lady
I've never but shot by the IDF.

Have you ever shot at the IDF, or have you spoken with people that have shot at the IDF (bombs count too) ?

35 posted on 12/19/2001 6:20:23 AM PST by a_witness
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To: a_witness
Even if not a case of systematic targeting, reckless disregard for life is culpable.

So is willful ignorance.

36 posted on 12/19/2001 6:27:48 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Romulus
Even if not a case of systematic targeting, reckless disregard for life is culpable.

The IDF, like the American military, has rules of engagement.

Trying to film terrorists in action could qualify as willful ignorance, depending on whether they had permission it be in a zone of fire. I would think it easy to mistake them for terrorists.

37 posted on 12/19/2001 6:37:01 AM PST by a_witness
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To: The Documentary Lady
I suppose, but the French in my family married the Huron indians in my family, so technically, we go way back.

God gave the land of Canaan to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants forever.

41 posted on 12/19/2001 7:20:57 AM PST by a_witness
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Have you ever shot at the IDF, or have you spoken with people that have shot at the IDF (bombs count too) ?***

No, I've never shot at the IDF.

    You did not answer the other part of my question.
  1. Have you spoken with people who have shot at the IDF ?
  2. or shot/bombed Israel (including the so-called Occupied Territories) ?

42 posted on 12/19/2001 7:23:57 AM PST by a_witness
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The IDF, like the American military, has rules of engagement.

How nice for them.

Trying to film terrorists in action could qualify as willful ignorance, ...

I reckon it's the IDF that objects to being filmed, don't you? Bad for morale and all.

I would think it easy to mistake them for terrorists.

Any stick -- or schtick -- is good enough to beat a dog.

43 posted on 12/19/2001 8:48:33 AM PST by Romulus
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To: The Documentary Lady
I'm in Detroit and saw it on the Canadian TV. I doubt they will show it here in the U.S. because it's too incriminating of the IDF.

You are so full of baloney. You are always citing sources that nobody else sees or has heard of. Laughable!

44 posted on 12/19/2001 8:52:26 AM PST by veronica
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To: The Documentary Lady, kattracks
'Course ONE reporter who we KNOW was abused - is Robert Fisk.

In his case, he was beaten to a pulp by a gang of Muslims. But don't shed any tears for him. He enjoyed it. 'Rough trade'.

LOL.

45 posted on 12/19/2001 8:56:16 AM PST by veronica
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To: Romulus
How nice for them.

As opposed to the rules of engagement practiced by the Islamic terrorists you are here to support

I reckon it's the IDF that objects to being filmed, don't you? Bad for morale and all.

Sticks and stones, bullets, mortar fire and suicide bombers can really spoil an otherwise good day.

Any stick -- or schtick -- is good enough to beat a dog.

Both Israel and the United States have a big stick to beat this particular dog.

46 posted on 12/19/2001 9:04:53 AM PST by a_witness
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To: The Documentary Lady
No wiggle room for you here.

Why can't you honestly answer the questions I posed about your contacts with those who perpetrate violence against Israel ?

48 posted on 12/19/2001 9:14:21 AM PST by a_witness
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...the Islamic terrorists you are here to support

There's that schtick again.

(Attempted intimidation via false accusation is a form of terrorism, BTW.)

49 posted on 12/19/2001 9:14:44 AM PST by Romulus
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Okay, you are here to support the Islamic terrorist journalists
50 posted on 12/19/2001 9:24:04 AM PST by a_witness
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