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Pro-Life Is Pro-Baby: Mel Gibson And Fatherhood Against Abortion
Toogood Reports ^ | December 19, 2001 | Isaiah Flair

Posted on 12/19/2001 12:19:27 PM PST by Starmaker

"Feminists don't like me and I don't like them...I don't know why feminists have it out for me, but that's their problem, not mine." – Mel Gibson (star of Braveheart, The Patriot, Lethal Weapon; 100% pro-life)

"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish." – Mother Teresa

"I am dedicated to spending the rest of my life undoing the law that bears my name. I would like nothing more than to have this law overturned." – Norma L. McCorvey ("Jane Roe" of Roe v. Wade)

"Thou shalt not kill" – The Holy Bible

"The decision nullifies a law, expressing the will of the people of Nebraska, that medical procedures must be governed by moral principles having their foundation in the intrinsic value of human life, including life of the unborn." – Justice Anthony Kennedy (dissent from Carhart vs. Stenberg, the 2000 case in which five other justices overturned a Nebraska law against partial-birth abortion, the procedure Justice Kennedy references)

"The inalienable right to life is found not only in the Declaration of Independence but also in the Constitution that every President is sworn to preserve, protect and defend.ÿ Both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee that no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." – Ronald Reagan

"Each of us has a unique beginning, the moment of conception..." – Jerome Lejeune (Nobel Prize, Genetics)

"A Person is a Person, no matter how Small." – Dr. Seuss

As a pro-lifer, I have to acknowledge that not only does a prenatal baby's life begin at conception, but that there begins fatherhood also. It is at conception that the father and mother are conjoined to produce new life. It is at conception that the most beautiful thing on the planet, the G-d-blessed spark of innocent human life, begins it's journey through existence.

From that moment, every good father loves his baby, and is moved by a need to protect, defend, and care for her from that moment, through all the days of her life. This empathy, this compassion and emotional investment, is a society builder. It is what gives fathers the motivation to work, to build homes, and to make the world a safer place.

It must be sanctioned and endorsed by every legal vehicle possible.

And it is time to define, for once and for all, what "pro-life" is.

Pro-Life is Pro-Baby. It is the understanding that babies have rights, rights worth protecting.

Every baby has a right to grow old enough to...

...gurgle, and smile, and laugh, and do all the silly, adorable things that babies do...

...take those first, halting steps as toddlers do, more waddling than walking, offering heart-melting toothless grins in celebration of their own efforts...

...see a bird, or a tree, or a cloud for the first time, and in wide-eyed wonder, point chubby fingers at each new wonder of Creation, as they discover them...

...know the joy of being protected from all the dangers of the outside world, by someone who loves them more than anything in the world...

This and more, babies deserve.

And the very human life of every innocent, vulnerable, defenseless little pre-natal baby begins with the moment of conception.

Prior to conception, each of the parent's respective haploid gametes contains twenty-three chromosomes, only half of what is required to create new human life. Conception results in a single cell which contains forty-six chromosomes.

These forty-six chromosomes are not only human, but are in a combination distinctly, undeniably different from either parent.

This combination is the blueprint for every biological aspect of the new human's life, and will determine infinite characteristics of the new individual. We all began our unique and valuable lives exactly this way. It is at this point that the processes of life are set in motion. Were they not, there would be nothing to terminate...

Dependency is a quality that extends well into toddlerhood. At conception, the new human life is at once dependent, and defenseless, and utterly vulnerable.

This is science.

This is reality.

It is indisputable.

The anti-baby ice-cold euphemism of "choice" defies science and nature no less than it controverts human decency and morals.

In the name of nature and science, we must recognize the reality that each of our unique human lives begins at conception.

In the name of human decency and morals, the very human life of every defenseless, innocent, vulnerable little prenatal baby must be fully protected.

Legally.

Roe vs. Wade will be overturned during this presidency, given two more United States Supreme Court appointments by very pro-life President George W. Bush.

When that occurs over the next three years, the road will be paved to the enactment of a protective law, reading as follows:

"Where the mother's life is not in danger, the father of every baby consensually conceived shall have the legal right to prevent the abortion of his baby, from the point of conception through birth, provided that he is willing to support and raise the baby."

It is the right thing to do.

Since this essay began with quotes I agree with, I will close it with a quote I do not agree with, but which eerily echoes the position of those on the other side of this issue:

"It had nothing to do with humanity, it couldn't have; it was a mass..." – a reference to the Holocaust by Franz Stangl, Nazi commandant of extermination camps in Sobibor (March, 1942 -September, 1942) and Treblinka (September, 1942 - August, 1943).

Interviewed by Gitta Sereny in 1970, Stangl's comments later appeared in the book Into That Darkness: An Examination of Conscience (1983).


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abortionlist; christianlist; culturewar; fatherhood; feministwatch; michaeldobbs
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1 posted on 12/19/2001 12:19:27 PM PST by Starmaker
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To: Starmaker
Big time Pro-Life Bump!!!
2 posted on 12/19/2001 12:31:33 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
BTTT

In God We Trust.....Semper Fi

3 posted on 12/19/2001 12:33:12 PM PST by North Coast Conservative
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To: Starmaker
AND - Induced abortion increases the risk of developing breast cancer. Go to www.AbortionBreastCancer for more info. For victory & freedom!!!
4 posted on 12/19/2001 12:44:29 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Starmaker
Pro Baby Bump!!
5 posted on 12/19/2001 12:44:51 PM PST by GeoPie
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To: Starmaker;Dr. Octagon;MHGinTN;homeschool mama
Pro-life BTT
6 posted on 12/19/2001 12:46:00 PM PST by KentuckyWoman
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To: Starmaker
I to have been deep in thought over these issues. 3 months ago my wife and I found out that she was pregnant with our first baby. More than ever I can not understand the cold hearted callousness of those that would say it is not a baby.

I hope and pray that in ten, twenty, thirty years, hopefully less, people will look back on abortion much like we do on slavery now.

7 posted on 12/19/2001 12:46:15 PM PST by nattyman
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To: Starmaker
Mel may not like feminists, and be against abortion, but he surely has no problem with adultery, and that is repellent.
8 posted on 12/19/2001 12:48:00 PM PST by EmmaPeel
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To: Saundra Duffy
People aren't going to stop having abortions because they cause cancer. Look at cigarettes.
9 posted on 12/19/2001 12:49:05 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Starmaker
Roe vs. Wade will be overturned during this presidency, given two more United States Supreme Court appointments by very pro-life President George W. Bush.

I doubt it - but bookmarking and bumping anyway.

10 posted on 12/19/2001 12:50:12 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: nattyman
I hope and pray that in ten, twenty, thirty years, hopefully less, people will look back on abortion much like we do on slavery now.

A lot of pro-lifers already think that right now. You probably mean the major media. It was the major media
in the 1800's who forced the abortion laws to be placed on the books. What a switch, eh?

11 posted on 12/19/2001 12:51:49 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: nattyman
Congratulations!
12 posted on 12/19/2001 12:52:26 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Starmaker
Another reason feminists don't like Mel Gibson is because he is a conservative Catholic with six or seven children ... the horror! the horror!
13 posted on 12/19/2001 12:54:20 PM PST by ikanakattara
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
me too......but from what I've seen on this forum lately, I'm doubtful we even have a clear cut majority here.

BUT A STRONG PRO LIFE BUMP NONETHELESS...take our victories where we can get them and keep plugging!!!!

14 posted on 12/19/2001 12:54:51 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: Starmaker
See, Mad Max ain't bad...
15 posted on 12/19/2001 12:57:46 PM PST by maxwell
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To: Starmaker
Where the mother's life is not in danger...

Problem number one with your proposed language is the opening clause, which would be exploited mercilessly in pursuit of convenience abortions. Since every pregnancy is a potentially life-endangering condition for the mother, any pro-choice doctor has a built-in excuse. Sad but true...

16 posted on 12/19/2001 12:59:51 PM PST by constable tom
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To: Starmaker
,,, a hyper BUMP for Mel Gibson standing up for his convictions.
17 posted on 12/19/2001 1:00:07 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Starmaker
George Bush will not appoint two pro-life Supreme Court Justices unless the SENATE is retaken by Republicans. If Bush appointed John Marshall and Oliver Wendall Holmes the Daschle-Leahy Senate would not confirm them unless they were pro-abortion.

The Democrats are under no illusions here. The fight for the Senate in 2002 is in substance a fight over abortion. The Dems' special interest groups like NOW will spend megabucks on this election, which will be down and dirty.

18 posted on 12/19/2001 1:01:16 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: EmmaPeel
Emma, have you been reading The National Enquirer again? ;^)
19 posted on 12/19/2001 1:02:30 PM PST by Aristophanes
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To: EmmaPeel
but he surely has no problem with adultery, and that is repellent

Hmmmm. Not according to this:

Despite his success, Mel remains an oddball in Hollywood. Not only has he worked his way steadily to the top by doing things his own way, but his personal life has remained happy and unyielding. In a land full of scandals and month-long marriages, Mel has been with his wife Robyn Moore for 19 years, and they recently welcomed their seventh child into the world.

But perhaps you've heard something I haven't.

20 posted on 12/19/2001 1:03:49 PM PST by r9etb
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To: homeschool mama;KentuckyWoman;proud2brc;woahhs;wwjdn;GoodieD;MHGinTN;JMJ333;Tabitha Soren...
PING !!!

Mel Gibson is Pro-Life.

21 posted on 12/19/2001 1:13:59 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
Your point is correct....HOWEVER, the government and the public seem to frown on cancer causing agents, if we can keep someone from having an abortion because they don't want to take the risk of breast cancer, that's good enough.
22 posted on 12/19/2001 1:14:32 PM PST by goodieD
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To: r9etb
Yes, I have. He has great public relations people. His wife is a martyr.
23 posted on 12/19/2001 1:15:06 PM PST by EmmaPeel
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To: colorado tanker
"The Democrats are under no illusions here. The fight for the Senate in 2002 is in substance a fight over abortion. The Dems' special interest groups like NOW will spend megabucks on this election, which will be down and dirty."

True. And so the Great Fight begins...

24 posted on 12/19/2001 1:25:05 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: colorado tanker
I hope I can get my book finished and published in time to counter the death cult sycophancy. The key to change fits in many doors, the Congressional makeup, the Senate makeup, the White House occupant, the public perception of prenatal life (whether the public will tolerate serial killing as social policy), the AMA endorsements of serial killing ... the assault must be many faceted to succeed in changing our nation's horrific direction.

We've witnessed a holocaust of enormous proportions so far; if we allow it to continue unabated, we, as a nation defending the espoused values found in our founding documents, will come to an end. In our place will be a socialist Republic where life is valued as the central authority so designated ... a shifting landscape dominated by the whimm of those in power, to be sure!

25 posted on 12/19/2001 1:27:02 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Starmaker
I make it a point to support Mel Gibson's testimony in two distinct ways:
  1. I pray that God would protect his marriage, and his integrity. The guy is a big target, and needs our prayers.
  2. I rent and enjoy his movies.

26 posted on 12/19/2001 1:31:12 PM PST by TomSmedley
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To: Starmaker
I make it a point to support Mel Gibson's testimony in two distinct ways:
  1. I pray that God would protect his marriage, and his integrity. The guy is a big target, and needs our prayers.
  2. I rent and enjoy his movies.

27 posted on 12/19/2001 1:31:17 PM PST by TomSmedley
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To: Starmaker
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--

See that part, there....one of these Unalienable Rights....is....LIFE !! !! !!



...nuff said....

28 posted on 12/19/2001 1:31:21 PM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: ikanakattara
I always liked Mel Gibson. Now you've given me more reasons!
29 posted on 12/19/2001 1:33:33 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
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To: dennisw
Bump!
30 posted on 12/19/2001 1:36:28 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
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To: Alabama_Wild_Man
Your right, un-alienable, not in-alienable. Just checked my desktop copy of the D.O.I.

In any case, Mel Gibson is one helluva stand-up guy. I'll buy every movie he ever made, just as a thank you for him never selling out to pro-abort Hollywood. Here's to Fatherhood, and Life, and The Man, "Braveheart" himself..

31 posted on 12/19/2001 1:37:56 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: constable tom
Can you post a re-write of that clause in such a way as would in your view make it less legally assailable, whilst retaining the focus and point of the passage, which is to imbue every good father with the legal right to stop the abortion of his own baby from conception forward?
32 posted on 12/19/2001 1:42:32 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Starmaker; constable tom
provided that he is willing to support and raise the baby."

It is the right thing to do.


Does this then mean, if he DOESN'T support it financially, the STATE can kill it???????????
33 posted on 12/19/2001 1:45:36 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
No. It doesn't mean anything of the kind. The State will never have the power to coerce abortions, nor should they. The law proposed in this article extends to fathers the right to protect the babies they father.
34 posted on 12/19/2001 1:47:51 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Starmaker
"Feminists don't like me and I don't like them...I don't know why feminists have it out for me, but that's their problem, not mine." – Mel Gibson (star of Braveheart, The Patriot, Lethal Weapon; 100% pro-life)

So what's he doing making movies with Danny Glover anyway?

35 posted on 12/19/2001 1:49:31 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
Mel Gibson funds pro-father, pro-life, pro-Christian projects with the $20 million per picture he gets for making films with Danny Glover, his ideological opposite.
36 posted on 12/19/2001 1:53:11 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: EmmaPeel
You called Mel Gibson an adulterer without presenting evidence. Do you have photos, videos or signed affidavits?
37 posted on 12/19/2001 1:55:48 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Starmaker
"Feminists don't like me and I don't like them...I don't know why feminists have it out for me, but that's their problem, not mine." – Mel Gibson (star of Braveheart, The Patriot, Lethal Weapon; 100% pro-life)

I'll assume Mel did directly inform author Isaiah Flair he is 100% pro-life, even though that part isn't in quotes.

Always enjoyed Mel's work, and, ahem, other things... :-)

It's also pretty cool that he's still married to the *same woman*.
38 posted on 12/19/2001 1:56:53 PM PST by k2blader
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To: Starmaker; Askel5
Libertarian Objectivist(Subjectivist?) bum-p-ing!
39 posted on 12/19/2001 1:58:40 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
As a matter of fact, yes I do. My friend works for the local newspaper in Austin,TX and he propositioned her after she interviewed him for an article about the movie he was promoting. She had a crush on him until that happened. Then she walked out.
40 posted on 12/19/2001 1:59:54 PM PST by EmmaPeel
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To: EmmaPeel
Could've just been a rumor...and as far as I am concerned it is still only a rumor unless you provide facts to back it up. I detest adultery too, but I always tease my hubby and tell him that Mel is the only man I would ever cheat on him with...doesn't mean it will ever happen.
41 posted on 12/19/2001 2:02:17 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
See the post above yours. He made my friend so uncomfortable, she was shocked at his bravado. And she was a huge fan! He was very aggressive and difficult to dissuade. He is no gentleman, and certainly didn't seem to respect women at all.
42 posted on 12/19/2001 2:05:24 PM PST by EmmaPeel
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To: EmmaPeel
Yeah, Right. They did have some problems during the filming of beyond thunderdome, but he got back on track very quickly when Robyn laid the law down to him. I know a family who is a neighbor of theirs, and everybody just loves the family has a whole, because they truly love each other and respect eachother. I dont believe that. Your friend may have mis understood him.
43 posted on 12/19/2001 2:08:57 PM PST by Beeline40@aol.com
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To: EmmaPeel
NCLA asked you the following:

Do you have photos, videos or signed affidavits?

You replied that your friend told you he propositioned her, that does not qualify as photos videos or signed affidavits...it only qualifies as hearsay.

44 posted on 12/19/2001 2:10:28 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
I appreciate the intricacies of legal definitions. I also appreciated the obvious distress of my friend. It's best to keep one's eyes and mind open...and not shuttered. God Bless America.
45 posted on 12/19/2001 2:18:35 PM PST by EmmaPeel
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting;Tabitha Soren
" The love of most will grow cold..."

The failure of the pro-life movement to explicitly endorse the legal right of good fathers to stop the abortion of their own babies contributes to this societal state, perhaps more than any other thing.

Pro-lifers are happy to fault pro-abort fathers, but refuse to fault pro-abort mothers. This is why we fail.

Pro-life fathers, and the need to legally enshrine the right of to protect their own babies, is the most categorically-ducked issue in the pro-life movement. And this is the other reason why we fail.

For thirty years since Roe, the pro-life movement has only mentioned fathers when they are pro-abort, and thus can take the fault. This is the final reason why the pro-life movement, on every conceivable legal front, has failed miserably for thirty years.

I support overturning Roe; after that and before a Human Life Amendment, other restrictions on abortions must be put into place.

I support a Human Life Amendment, the ultimate goal.

I call on pro-life women to support this.

And pro-life men, no less.

46 posted on 12/19/2001 2:24:25 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: Dr. Good Will Hunting
"why we fail". You're proof that Blindness or stupidity is why we fail.

Our team plays against the opposing team. We have no game plan. Can any pro-life leader articulate a strategy or tactic that will help us gain yardarge or score points, not to mention win a game or win the season?

In Braveheart, The Patriot, etc. Mel Gibson does not win because his heart is pure. He wins because he recognizes that "General Gage is a fool". I'm sure the heart of general Gage was just as pure as that of Mel Gibson's character." But Mel has smart tactics.

Unfortunately we are not in a Mel Gibson movie, we are in a sappy Karate Kid 13 movie where "pure heart" wins. That is not real life.

47 posted on 12/19/2001 2:53:41 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
"No game plan"...this is a huge part of the "game plan".

Can you honestly say that the pro-life movement has found success over the last 30-years of avoiding the father-question? Of doing almost as much to peripheralize fathers as the "pro-choice" movement? Of only mentioning fathers when fault was to be assessed? Of preferring to keep abortion a "woman's issue" rather than explicitly advocating the right of every good father to love and protect his baby from conception forward? Of clouding the father-question rather than addressing it straight on and honestly?

Whatever kind of society you want, it begins with family.

48 posted on 12/19/2001 3:10:02 PM PST by Dr. Good Will Hunting
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To: colorado tanker, Starmaker
Message to all feminazis and their liberal girly-men boy toys: WE are coming to kick your flaming a*ses in 2002!

;-)
49 posted on 12/19/2001 3:46:28 PM PST by Hail Caesar
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To: spintreebob
Can any pro-life leader articulate a strategy or tactic that will help us gain yardarge or score points, not to mention win a game or win the season

I believe the author of the article provided the best potential strategy to overturn Roe vs Wade: force a legal decision which affirms the concept that human life begins at conception. This is the only argument that gets to the core of the matter - that abortion is murder.

I'm not saying this will be easy, as medical science is as fully stocked with liberals as any profession or segment of society. Yes, it will take a more conservative Supreme Court to uphold such a decision, if and when one could be made at a lower level (which is why it's also important for GW to appoint as many lower court judges as possible). Which brings us to the dastardly tactics of Patrick Leahy, who is setting records for how slowly the Senate Judiciary Committee can process a President's judicial appointees.

In short, we need an undivided Congress and GW in the White House, then a few years to balance the federal courts and wait for the right case to come along. That's a lot of "ifs" to consider, but I still believe that having a court declare that human life begins at conception is the only way to finally rid this country of the scourge of abortion.

50 posted on 12/19/2001 3:59:26 PM PST by constable tom
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