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Windows XP's Retail Sales Are Trailing Pace Set by Its Predecessor, Windows 98
Wall Street Journal ^ | Dec 19, 2001 | REBECCA BUCKMAN

Posted on 12/19/2001 2:35:44 PM PST by Bush2000

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:45:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Retail sales of Microsoft Corp.'s Windows XP product continue to lag behind sales of its predecessor, Windows 98, raising questions about whether the new software will help lift the personal-computer industry out of its doldrums, as many had hoped. Still, analysts don't expect the lackluster performance to crimp Microsoft's quarterly profit.


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1 posted on 12/19/2001 2:35:44 PM PST by Bush2000
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2 posted on 12/19/2001 2:35:56 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Its predecessor is Windows 2000. Mentioning Windows 98 is an apples and oranges comparison.
3 posted on 12/19/2001 2:40:04 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Its predecessor is Windows 2000. Mentioning Windows 98 is an apples and oranges comparison.

Fact-checking is a dead art.
4 posted on 12/19/2001 2:42:40 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Did 2000 sell faster than 98?
5 posted on 12/19/2001 2:42:56 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: Bush2000
Still, analysts don't expect the lackluster performance to crimp Microsoft's quarterly profit.

That's cause Microsoft makes more money from Office than it does from its operating systems.

But there's no arguing the fact that there's just no compelling reason for the averge user, either at home or the office, to upgrade to WinXP unless they're still using something as old as Win95. Its new features are mostly spurious unless you're totally computer-clueless in the first place.

6 posted on 12/19/2001 2:44:20 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Its predecessor is Windows 2000.

Not in the home market it isn't. Sure, home users could BUY Win 2000, but it was never aimed at them, marketed towards them, or priced towards them. If it were, there would have been no reason for WinME to ever exist.

7 posted on 12/19/2001 2:45:51 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Timesink
But there's no arguing the fact that there's just no compelling reason for the averge user, either at home or the office, to upgrade to WinXP unless they're still using something as old as Win95. Its new features are mostly spurious unless you're totally computer-clueless in the first place.

Depends. If Win9x stability is an issue for some users, they probably want to consider it.
8 posted on 12/19/2001 2:46:12 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Timesink
Hey my computer crashed last week, I had a new one built and got it working yesterday. It has Windows XP and I really like it. If for no other reason that it is much more stable than either 98 or 95. I was constantly having programs crash and having to reboot. I was told this platform would be much more stable and so far it is.

Count me as a satisfied customer so far.

9 posted on 12/19/2001 2:47:26 PM PST by billva
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To: Bush2000
It's obviously gotten SO bad that I just suffered a Windows XP commerial before suffering further through three looong hours of a certain movie... If they'd cut about 30, 40, 50 minutes (anywhere, I'm not particular, just cut it back!), it would have been a fine film.

While I'm at it, Edwards theatres in San Diego are still showing their patriotic progaganda piece, old timer in the corn field and naked baby too, with "God shed his grace on thee" cut from America The Beautiful.

10 posted on 12/19/2001 2:50:32 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The predecessor in marketing terms is Windows ME (Millennium Edition). Technologically speaking, the predecessor is Windows 2000 Professional.
11 posted on 12/19/2001 2:52:05 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: billva
Just a note for those who might use adobe post script fonts. Apparently, Adobe is not yet compatible so when you do a search for adobe fonts, XP can't see them. And ATM, which worked well on 98, has been discontinued, so there is no Adobe Type Manager. Other than that the XP for us has been trouble free and no crashes.
12 posted on 12/19/2001 2:52:12 PM PST by Seniram US
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To: Bush2000
Did you know that RUSH LIMBAUGH had surgery today?
13 posted on 12/19/2001 2:52:28 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: Bush2000
It's a heck of a lot faster, too.

The one downside is product activation. When you have 4 PC's and are constantly upgrading and rebuilding them, product activation makes for a product you just have no use for. Thank God cracked copies can already be found on the Internet.

14 posted on 12/19/2001 2:56:55 PM PST by Oschisms
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To: Bush2000
i purchased xp the first day.

i didn't like win me, so i formatted my hard drive, and re-installed win 98,

and then installed win xp.

xp has crashed once a week.

15 posted on 12/19/2001 3:00:35 PM PST by ken21
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To: Sungirl
Did you know that RUSH LIMBAUGH had surgery today?

Thanks for the notice. I'll say a little prayer for him.
16 posted on 12/19/2001 3:01:42 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: ken21
xp has crashed once a week.

Define crashed.
17 posted on 12/19/2001 3:02:08 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Oschisms
Can you point me to a location or 2 where I could find this? that has always been my complaint about XP and I was boycotting XP for that reason. Then yesterday my company sends me my new laptop with XP professional on it even though I specifically asked for Win2000 - now I guess I'm stuck with it.

Anyone know the difference between XP standard and XP professional? Also is XP based on the NT kernel or is it based on the win98/me system? I always considered Win2000 to be NT version 5. Is XP really NT version 6?? Thanks.

18 posted on 12/19/2001 3:02:32 PM PST by LivingNet
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To: ken21
i didn't like win me, so i formatted my hard drive, and re-installed win 98,

Do it again and forget installing over 98. Just do a clean install of XP. I've never had a problem with 2K or XP when doing a clean install.

20 posted on 12/19/2001 3:04:24 PM PST by TomServo
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To: LivingNet
Not certain what the difference is between XP Home and Professional, but both are based on the NT kernel. It seems nonsensical to have a new OS upgrade coming out when most companies haven't upgraded to 2000 yet- but it ain't my company.

I'll speak to my boss about where he got his cracked XP- probably a newsgroup somewhere, probably broken into 20 small downloads. I do know it's out there, though. When I find out where, I'll FReepmail you.

21 posted on 12/19/2001 3:14:53 PM PST by Oschisms
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To: Oschisms
Thanks.
22 posted on 12/19/2001 3:17:31 PM PST by LivingNet
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To: Bush2000
Define crashed.

LOL.

23 posted on 12/19/2001 3:26:46 PM PST by Stentor
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To: Oschisms
Product activation was the main reason I decided not to buy XP. And yes, cracked copies of XP without product activation can be found for free on the internet.

Microsoft isn't detering piracy with this stupid concept. Just the opposite.

24 posted on 12/19/2001 3:28:17 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Exactly, and moreso because Win98 came (surprise) 3 years after the previous Windows version. XP comes only one year after Win ME and Win2k, both of which were far superior than Win95.
25 posted on 12/19/2001 3:31:02 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Bush2000
It may be faster and all that bilge but the registration requirement sucks! That's the problem there!
26 posted on 12/19/2001 3:32:03 PM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: ken21
i didn't like win me, so i formatted my hard drive, and re-installed win 98, and then installed win xp.

I did what you did except for the last part. After ME I will never buy an early release of anything again. It was wonderful to get "back" to W98 OSR2.

I would rather have a case of syphillis than ever see ME again. The much touted Restore feature was, with some Symantec programs, an absolute, unmitigated disaster that took a lot of effort to clean up. Anyone want the new WME CD before I take it to the range? :-)

As for XP, there is enough spyware going around already, what with Music CD programs that "check back" through the Media Player, and the realtime registering in XP.

Nope, not me. I want to hear more about Linux..I have had it with this crap.

27 posted on 12/19/2001 3:33:19 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Timesink
I still get quite a bit of crashes on WinME, but only one so far on XP. I have 2 systems, one XP and one WinME/Mandrake dual boot. The dual boot system is almost new, Athlon 1.4 Geforce 3 based system, and my PentiumII 350 system with XP is more stable.
28 posted on 12/19/2001 3:34:34 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Sungirl
Why is this showing up on almost every thread and what does it have to do with the topic? I like Rush as much as the next guy, but please...
29 posted on 12/19/2001 3:36:50 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: LivingNet
Anyone know the difference between XP standard and XP professional?

About $100.

30 posted on 12/19/2001 3:38:49 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Gorzaloon
Nope, not me. I want to hear more about Linux..I have had it with this crap.

As I said, I'm running a WinME/Mandrake dual boot system, and as promised, Mandrake was very easy to install and it comes with alot of applications. I purchased the $69 version but the $29 version would be adequate.

One drawback though is the HCL for Mandrake didn't include my Samsung monitor, and after much tweaking in the settings I can't get any better than 640x480. Needless to say, I won't be using it much on this system.

31 posted on 12/19/2001 3:44:27 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Gorzaloon
I am tired of the MS attitude, a constant stream of Operating Systems but no improvements. I installed ME. It stalls out about 3 times a day on me. If you join a local Linux group (do a Google search), they will help you. I just did a solo install of Suse Linux and it went smoothly. It was as easy as a Windows install. I have a lot to learn but I enjoy Linux.

The Linux groups really want to help people get over their Windows addiction. By the way, there is a great book - Linux for Windows Addicts - A 12 Step Program. Well done and clearly written.

32 posted on 12/19/2001 3:52:12 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: All
I still have Win 98 SE, and will not upgrade until forced to by non-support of that OS. Microsoft thinks they can come up with some plan for all of us serfs to install/upgrade a new OS every year, at the tune of $100-$250 a pop. Sorry, I ain't going along peacefully with that one. I wanted to get Win 2000 Prof, but the CD is $250. Too rich for my blood. I think that Bill Gates & Co will eventually work themselves out of a job. Steve Jobs thought he could monopolize the PC, but IBM and Microsoft bombed Apple into utter obscurity. As soon as someone can develop a Linux client that is as good as Windows, I believe we will see some cracks in the Microsoft facade. I've never seen Red Hat or any other Linux system, but "free" has to beat the Microsoft system at some point in the future. Especially with all the hated features showing up on MS systems, such as sign up requirements and the like. Win 98 SE will do fine until it is no longer supported by MS.....
33 posted on 12/19/2001 4:02:52 PM PST by Malcolm
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To: TomServo
i purchased an upgrade of win xp. that means that i have to install it on win 98, correct?
34 posted on 12/19/2001 4:30:00 PM PST by ken21
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To: Bush2000
the screen turns black and everything i'm working on, and my internet connection if i'm connected, goes bye bye.

i do a warm boot--hit the re-start button.

35 posted on 12/19/2001 4:31:30 PM PST by ken21
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To: Bush2000
since xp is based on 2000, and more stable, there must be a software glitch, common to new packages. won't they provide a patch to fix it?
36 posted on 12/19/2001 4:32:46 PM PST by ken21
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To: ken21
i purchased an upgrade of win xp. that means that i have to install it on win 98, correct?

Maybe not. Try doing a clean install of XP. It may prompt you to put in the 98 disk during install so it can check for prior ownership, but it may not require you to actually load 98.

I have the Windows ME upgrade. I installed ME over Win98 after formatting my drive and it was very buggy. I then reformatted the HD and went straight to the ME install. All it did was ask me to put my 98 in so it could check that I had it. Then the install proceeded smoothly. ME is much more stable with a clean install. Hopefully, XP works the same way.

37 posted on 12/19/2001 4:46:53 PM PST by KevinB
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To: KevinB
thanks.
38 posted on 12/19/2001 4:50:46 PM PST by ken21
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To: ken21
the screen turns black and everything i'm working on, and my internet connection if i'm connected, goes bye bye. i do a warm boot--hit the re-start button.

Is there some common factor (besides Windows) that you can denote? For example, "it usually happens when I run Application X". Is there some commonality between the crashes?
39 posted on 12/19/2001 5:02:12 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: ken21
Try this link.
40 posted on 12/19/2001 5:06:15 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Oschisms; LivingNet; Mr.Jeeves; Bush2000
Another marketing note. Windows XP is sold in several flavors.

XP Home is installed on most new computer sales and is intended to replace WinMe

XP Pro is touted to replace Windows 2000 Workstation.

XP Embedded is used in devices such as Set Top Boxes or Palm type devices, and it comes in four flavors.

MS claims that Win XP has outsold other Winders versions. Manufacturers must choose from flavors of XP, rather than Win Me, Win 2000 etc. They roll the sales and upgrades from all of these previous versions into one new product group (XP) and then compare the results against just a single title.

Wonder what the sales for XP are, compared to the first month intros for Win Me and 2000 together? How about Win 98 and NT? These are much more valid sales figure comparisons.

Also, nasty rumor to hear is that MS will be raising the price of several XP products on Feb 02. Consumers probably won't be affected, but corporate users sure will be. The jump in first month sales may be large purchases to save money up front.

42 posted on 12/19/2001 5:12:45 PM PST by texas booster
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To: Bush2000
at present i'm using my computer only for surfing on the internet. when it crashed tonight, i was composing an e-mail, which of course, i lost.

my assumption is that win xp is stable, being based on win 2000, but that it's a new package with some bugs. and that they'll have a patch out soon.

my win 2000 college instructor recommended not buying xp until they ironed out the bugs. but i ignored his advice! i like the looks of the desktop.

thanks for the link. i e-mailed them.

43 posted on 12/19/2001 5:18:36 PM PST by ken21
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To: WileyCoyote22
All I can say is I love XP, it is the best Windows product ever, even better than 2000 in my opinion

I agree completely. If your system is crashing with XP, it's your system, not the OS. I've been running it for over a month with no reboots, multiple users loging on and off, without a single slowdown, much less a crash.

Make sure you don't have any incompatible hardware or software. Certain antivirus programs wil not work with XP (for example Norton CE 7.5, you must remove it and install 7.6 after the OS is loaded), as well as some CD burning apps and other miscellaneous stuff.

44 posted on 12/19/2001 5:18:57 PM PST by Cable225
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To: KevinB
It's always best to do a clean install if possible. Windows tends to collect a lot of garbage tmp files and old dll's that are no longer needed for programs uninstalled long ago. Often, these junk files can create instability.

And for the person that asked(sorry can't remember who it was) what the difference between Win2000 and WinXP was:

There's not a major difference on the underlying kernel. I'm not sure what XP identifies itself as(mainly because I haven't checked), but if I wanted to stick a version number on it, I'd call it something like NT 5.2 or something along those lines. Most of the changes are in the interface and some additional functionality that was added(such as burning CD's straight from windows explorer).

45 posted on 12/19/2001 5:19:56 PM PST by DaisyCutter
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To: WileyCoyote22
I have been told XP is much more stable than previous Windows operating systems by people who have upgraded. In your experience, would you agree?
46 posted on 12/19/2001 5:20:10 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: ken21
I recommend that you spend a little time searching through the MSDN Knowledge Base. Quite often, these problems are due to know device driver conflicts. That's my bet: Sound card incompatibility.
47 posted on 12/19/2001 5:21:58 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
i had no problems with drivers while i used win 98 or win me.

i have a dell p3-450, purchased 3 years ago.

it had only 64 sdram, but the day i bought win xp i upped it by 256, for 320. i may add another 256.

48 posted on 12/19/2001 5:41:58 PM PST by ken21
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To: texas booster
My company recently spent $$$$ just to keep updated with the licenses we need.
After that, word came down that there would be no upgrades until we're forced to. Given the half-@$$ed way our company buys hardware- we will probably be forced to soon.
But right now we're running NT4 and have been ordered to pull out all the stops to avoid upgrades- can't afford it. We're in a wage and hiring freeze- We have UNIX programmers in the warehouse packing shipments. Our network admin. is manning the Customer Service lines.
49 posted on 12/19/2001 6:07:54 PM PST by Oschisms
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To: ken21
"...at present i'm using my computer only for surfing on the internet. when it crashed tonight, i was composing an e-mail, which of course, i lost....my assumption is that win xp is stable, being based on win 2000, but that it's a new package with some bugs. and that they'll have a patch out soon."

You need to tweak it, aka, configure the OS.

XP is a great MS OS because it finally offers a protected memory and files system OS for the home user. That should = stability. Having helped some people thru their XP problems in getting it running as well as running it myself I will make a few remarks on XP.

1) -XP is a great OS, -once it's properly installed and configured. Which can takes up to 3 days/16 hrs.

2) -XP requires more hardware tweaking than any other MS OS. As a general rule a new user should go into their PC's bios Setup and disable all bios shadowing beyond video. XP's use of protected memory requires control over all of the lower memory. Many device, system and crash issues involve protected memory errors and freeing up resources is the easiest way to resolve them. I've found the more system resources XP has control over, the more stable it is.

3) -XP is harder to configure for AMD systems than Intel but in the end the performance/cost advantage makes AMD the better system. With the goal of configuring an OS to be speed and stability I'd say the amount required for XP is about 2/3rds what's required for 98SE.

4) -XP should be installed onto a clean HD. I've seen of a lot of problems from people doing the upgrade. Backing up the media, wiping the drive (write 0s, partition, format) and installing XP using a previous OS disc for upgrade verification is the way to upgrade imo.

5) -Don't get frustrated by the lack of themes or go out and buy the Plus pack because of it. There's plenty of free, online themes to install and tons of cool wallpaper. Just hook-up with some 'Linux freaks' to find out where the high-quality freebies are. If ones really daring they could do a google search under "XP Themes download". /sarcasm.

6) -Tweak, tweak, tweak XP to get it to run well. Imo XP pro doesn't run well out-of-the-box. The biggest issue is it's 20% system resource reserve for user: System. By default XP maintains a 20% reserve of the PC's resources for the System to run. This reserve presents a noticible drag on system performance. Very noticible in some cases. Use Administrator account, GPEDIT and QoS Packet Scheduler to reduce reservable resources to 0%. Works great, system hauls.

7) -As with 2000, run Task Manager at startup and keep it running, minimized to the taskbar. This gives a System resource set on High priority which helps to prevent page file lockups. It also allows the user to see if unwanted programs are running and system hangups when they occur, giving the option of ending the task. TM can be started anytime by hitting Ctrl.+Alt.+Del in any NT5 OS.

XP's achilles heel imo is it's NT5 comm. driver. It's a network comm. driver and 'someone/something' is on the other side of it. Discounting XP's raw sockets the comm driver alone makes XP Own-You-Ware. Caveat emptor.

50 posted on 12/19/2001 6:42:37 PM PST by Justa
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