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Kosovo - list of Civilians murdered presumably by KLA in 1998
hoplite gave me the link | unknwn | Yugoslav Government

Posted on 12/20/2001 12:22:07 PM PST by vooch

Note: For the record, please see how many of the names are those of moderate and loyalist Albanians who were anti-KLA. Today in UN occupied Kosovo, the killing of anti-KLA civilains continues

Civilians - victims of terrorism in 1998

Killed

Djordje Belic (1938), from the village of Stepenice, Klina Municipality, killed from ambush with automatic weapon on 9th January at about 21.10, in the yard of his family house.

Muja Sejdi (1946), forester of JP "Srbija sume", department in Glogovac, killed on 12th January, at about 08.45, in the dirt road at the village of Gradica, Glogovac Municipality. Terrorists waited for him in the vicinity of his house and shot him by 28 bullets fired from an automatic rifle.

Desimir Vasic (1948), from the village of Korilje, Zvecan Municipality, contractor, committee member and member of the Executive Board of SO Zvecan, found dead on 23rd January in the vehicle of "Mercedes" mark, in the dirt road leading to the village of Bice. Shiptar separatists killed Vasic by 26 bullets fired from automatic weapons.

Mustafa Kurtaj (1971) was killed in his village of Gornje Obrinje, Glogovac Municipality, in the terrorist attack carried out on 13th February, at about 07.00. Several unknown persons met Mustafa at the bus station while he was going to his work in "PTT Srbija" - RJ Glogovac. They put an end to his life by a number of automatic rifle shots.

Murat Dajakaj (1960) was killed in the terrorist attack carried out on 20th February, at about 13.30, in the village of Lausa, on Klina- Srbica road. Several attackers opened fire from automatic firearms at the truck in which Dajakaj was sitting next to the driver.

Milorad Ristic (1938), from Djakovica, was killed in the terrorist attack carried out on 20th February, at about 16.00 in the village of Lausa, Srbica Municipality. Terrorists opened fire from automatic weapons at the truck with Prizren registration.

Alija Recaj (1960) from the village of Sicevo, Klina Municipality, was killed on 21st February, at about 17.45 near peasants cooperative "Dobra voda". Terrorists took him out of his house at about 15.00 and drove him by vehicle "Lada" to the mentioned place where they put an end to his life by shots from automatic weapons.

Slobodan Prascevic (1945), from Djakovica, retired commander of the Police department in Rznic, was killed on 2nd March at 16.00 in Donje Ratiste, Decani Municipality. Terrorists from ambush fired several shots at the passenger vehicle driven by Prascevic.

Berisa Saliju (1948), owner of the fuel station at Kijevo, his brother Avduljaj Bajram, truck driver, Zogaj Ibrahim (1940) and his sons Ramadan and Fadilj, as well as Salijaj Ibrahim (1950), all from the territory of Klina Municipality, were found dead in the morning of 6th April at the place called "Carevac", beside the road Orahovac- Malisevo. Three days earlier they were seized by armed persons in camouflage uniforms with characteristics and emblems that are formationally used in the army of the Republic of Albania. The killed were successful businessmen and loyal citizens of the Republic of Serbia and Yugoslavia.

Serim Desku (1955), from Klincina, Klina Municipality, was killed at about 11.20 in his farm field. Six terrorists shot him with automatic firearms. Being a loyal citizen of Serbia, Serim voted at the referendum the previous day.

Djemalj Krasnici (1940), from Klina, was killed by terrorists, since he was known as a loyal citizen of the Republic of Serbia. His dead corpse was found on 27th April at about 11.00, near the road in the village of Globare, Glogovac Municipality. Around him there were two missiles and 19 cartridges of automatic weapons most often used by terrorists.

Slobodan Radosevic (1934) was killed by Albanian terrorists. He was kidnapped on 23rd April at about 05.00 from his house in the village of Dasinovac, Decani Municipality.

Binak Bakaj (1943), from the village of Ponosevac, was killed on 4th May at 05.00 in the village of Bogovac, Klina Municipality. Terrorists killed him in front of his house by shots from automatic firearms.

Nenad Jaredic (1970), from the village of Josanica, Klina Municipality, acting director of the post office in the village of Dobra Voda, was killed with knife and then shot at head by a bullet from an automatic firearm. Jaredic's disappearance was reported on 4th May, while his dead corpse was found the same day at about 06.00 beside the road in the village of Orlate, Glogovac Municipality.

Vejsel Krasnici (1951), from the village of Pusto Selo, Orahovac Municipality, forester in JP "Srbija sume", was killed with a number of strikes with mechanical arm and knife to all parts of his corpse and then shot with four missiles from an automatic weapon. Krasnici's corpse was found on 5th May at about 10.00 beside the road in the village of Trstenik, Glogovac Municipality.

Beg Sabanaja i Hajder Kuci, from Decane, loyal citizens of the Republic of Serbia, were killed by Shiptar terrorists by means of hanging and then thrown into a river. Their bodies were found on 6th May in Decani, in Bistrica River.

Mustafa Vebi (1956) was killed on 17th May at about 18.30 on the local road Kozur-Decane, in the vicinity of the monastery Visoki Decani in the terrorist attack performed from automatic firearm to the vehicle of "Elektrodistribucija" from Pec.

Avdulj Gasi (1949), from the village of Svrke Gasi, Klina Municipality, forester in JP "Srbija sume", was killed with shots from an automatic firearm. Terrorists took him out from his house on 7th May, while his corpse was found on 9th May at about 15.00 beside the road at the village of Volujak, Klina Municipality.

Ahmet Taci (1931), a loyal citizen of the Republic of Serbia, was killed by an automatic firearm. His disappearance was reported on 8th May, while his corpse was found on 10th May near the village of Loznica, wherefrom Taci originated, Klina Municipality.

Naim Krasnici (1953), member of the ethnical group of Gypsies, head of the registry office in the village of Crni Lug, Klina Municipality, was killed on 18th May at about 10.00 by shots from an automatic firearm.

Nedzat Pnisi was killed on 19th May at about 20.00 in the village of Smac, Djakovica Municipality. Terrorists armed with automatic rifles entered the village of shop, in which there were several persons, and fired a number of bursts.

Dalibor Lazarevic (1983) was killed by terrorists on 20th May at about 23.30 in the village of Budisavci, Klina Municipality. Terrorists attacked houses in which Serbian families live, took Lazarevic out of his yard and killed him with automatic firearm 5o meters far from his house.

Muhamed Sopa (1959), from Prizren, was killed by Shiptar separatists with shots from firearms. The corpse was found on 22nd May at about 06.00 near the village of Dulje, Suva reka Municipality. Terrorists had killed Muhamed first and then transported his corpse to the spot where it was found.

Sadrija Komoni (1933), from Pec, a loyal citizen of the Republic of Serbia, was killed by a shot from a firearm at the head, on 26th May at about 00.30. Terrorists made an attack on Komani in Pec, in the street Dusana Mugose bb.

Julka Djurkovic, from Decane, was killed on 26th May between 15.00 and 16.00 in front of her perents' house in Decani, in the street Cara Dusana bb. Terrorists killed her by a shot from firearms, which stroke her into the thorax area. The corpse was found by her husband Veljko, who after that committed suicide by a pistol.

Vidosava Simovic (1932) was assasinated in the terrorist attack made on 31st May in the village of Locane, Decani Municipality. Terrorists shot with automatic weapons at the house of Vidosava Simic.

Sesta Sausi (1965) was severely injured in the terrorist attack made on 2nd June at 12.50 in the village of Junik, Decani Municipality. He died the next day in the hospital of Djakovica.

Uka Taci (1972) was assassinated on 2nd June at 20.30 in the village of Kosuric, Pec Municipality. Two armed terrorists rushed into the house of Taci family and by force took Uka outside and killed him with automatic weapon in their yard.

Berisa Zumber (1939), from Krusevac village, Pec Municipality, was killed by terrorists with automatic firearms. His corpse was found on 3rd June at 13.00 in Bistrica River, near Pec.

Blagoje Jovanovic (1944) was killed with automatic firearms on 5th June at 13.30 in the village of Kostrc, Srbica Municipality. Terrorists shot at Blagoje's house and stroke him down in the yard.

Alija Bajram, from Donja Stubica, Istok Municipality, was assasinated by terrorists. They then cut off his head and both hands. His corpse was found on 6th June at about 7.50 in the village of Ukca, Istok Municipality.

Gasi Ajeti (1954), from the village of Babovac, Klina Municipality, was killed by terrorists with firearms. His corpse was found on 13th June, beside the road Magure-Sedlare, in the vicinity of the village of Laletic.

Zivojin Milic (1930), from the village of Sibovac, Obilic Municipality, was assassinated by terrorists with hits into his head and then several shots from firearms. His corpse was found on 17th June at about 17.00 near the village of Trnavce, beside the road Kosovska Mitrovica-Srbica.

Ismet Berisa (1972), from Suva Reka, was killed by terrorists with more than 30 bulets from automatic firearms. His corpse was found on 19th June at 7.00 beside the road Lesane-Suva Reka.

Oliver Zajic (1980), from the village of Duzevici, Klina Municipality, was killed by terrorists in the attack made on the inhabitants of that village of with automatic and sniper weapons as well as with bazookas.

Slobodan Radosevic (1934) and Milos Radunovic (1933), from the village of Dusanovci, Djakovica Municipality, were killed by Albanian terrorists. They were seized from their houses on 23rd April at about 05.00. Their corpses were found on 22nd June in the village of Dusanovci.

Slavko Skrkic (1956), from the village of Krnjina, Istok Municipality, was killed by terrorists on 22nd June at about 06.30 on the road connecting the villages of Rakos and Krnjina.

Rados Spasic (1945), director of "Laza Lazarevic" elementary school in the village of Kijevo, Klina Municipality, was killed in the terrorist attack made on 24th June at about 18.00. Terrorists killed him with shots from automatic and sniper weapons when he came out to feed his livestock.

Isa Sehu (1955) was found dead on 28th June in the village of Mamusa, Prizren Municipality, in front of a construction material warehouse. Terrorists killed him with shots from firearms.

Grujica Zmigic (1972), from the village of Drsnik, Klina Municipality, was killed in the terrorist attack made on 30th June at about 20.00, with bazookas, automatic and sniper weapons and by activation of hand grenades at Serbian and Montenegrian population of that village of.

Svetomir Bisevac, from the village of Leska, was killed by terrorist with arms and a blunt object. His corpse was found on 7th July at the spot called Ploce, beside the road Orahovac-Malisevo.

Gasi Marko (1972), from the village of Dobri Do, Orahovac Municipality, was killed by terrorists with shots from firearms and strokes of an axe at the head. His corpse was found on 17th July at the road Kosovska Mitrovica-Srbica, in the village of Brabonjic, Kosovska Mitrovica Municipality.

Aleksandar Majmarevic, Bora Simic, Vekoslav Kazic and Jagos Fildjokic, from Orahovac, and Andjelko Kostic from Retimlje village, Orahovac Municipality, were killed by Albanian terrorists in attacks on Orahovac on 17th July.

Hoti Abaz (1945), from Djakovica, was killed on 18th July at 18.00 in his field while he was keeping his cows, in the settlement Piskote, Djakovica Municipality.

Rados Krstic (1964), from Zajmovi, employee of the Minicipal Court in Klina, was killed by terrorists with a shot from a sniper on 20th July on the road Pec-Pristina, near the village of Zajmovi, Klina Municipality.

Adem Djuka (1971) and Bakir Djuka (1977), from Pec, were killed with guns by Albanian terrorists. Their corpses were found on 24th July at about 06.15 near the road in the village of Trebovic, Pec Municipality.

Bijupi Ljulzim (1961) was killed by terrorists on 26th July in the afternoon in the course of the attack on the village of Orlate, Glogovac Municipality.

Velimir Knezevic (1920), from Erec, was killed by Albanian terrorists with shots from automatic weapons, while his corpse was found on 6th August near the main road Djakovica-Pec.

Bakij Stavica (1960), from Orahovac, was killed by Albanian terrorists on 19th July, while his corpse was found on 6th August in Orahovac near Rimnik stream.

Hanumsaha Eminazeri (1949), from Orahovac, was killed by terrorists, while her corpse was found at the place called Padina in Orahovac.

With shots from automatic arms, Albanian terrorists killed Pren (1933) and Mira (1934) Merturi and Prek (1932) and Prende (1935) Krasnici from the village of Mece, while their corpses were found on 6th August in the village of Mece, Djakovica Municipality.

Djemailj Krueziju (1963), a loyal citizen of the Republic of Serbia, was killed by Albanian terrorists on 10th August at about 01.00 in his family house in Suva Reka with shots from an automatic rifle.

Radovan Stepic (1959) was killed by Albanian terrorists on 11th August at about 14.30 in the village of Drenovac, Klina Municipality, with shots from automatic weapons.

Cveta Simic succumbed to severe wounds caused by Albanian terrorists. The terrorists seized her on 26th June during the attack on the village of Pantine and kept her till 7th July when they left her, exhausted and disabled from torturing, beside the road Vucitrn-Pantina in the vicinity of the village drinking fountain.

Predrag Stojanovic (1976) was killed by Albanian terrorists from ambush with shots from automatic weapons on 20th August at about 01.00 in the village of Zociste, Orahovac Municipality.

Ljatifa Koljoli (1953) and her daughter Ruza, from the village of Budakovo, Suva Reka Municipality, were killed by Albanian terrorists. Their corpses were found on 23rd August beside the road Prizren-Suva Reka, near the village of Toplicane, Suva Reka Municipality.

Gasi Bedjet (1943) and Gasi Ruzdi (1958), from Suva Reka, were killed by Albanian terrorists. Their corpses were found on 25th August at about 15.00 on the local road Suva Reka-Orahovac, near the village of Restane, in a passenger vehicle "Renau 9" without registration plates.

Eljsani Nadzemedin (1965), from the village of Ozren, Pec Municipality, was killed by Albanian terrorists from firearms. His corpse was found on 29th August in the village of Banjica, Istok Municipality.

Hidaet Hadjijahi (1930), from Orahovac, killed in the terrorist attack made on 18th July, when terrorists torn down and set fire to his house. The corpse was found on 2nd September.

Bojadzi Fatmira (1964), Decaj Repsta (1969) and Decaj Banika, from Prizren, were on 1st September killed by Shiptar terrorists with firearms in a forest in the territory of the settlement Biljbidera. Their corpses were found on 7th September.

Poniku Arsim (1979) and his uncle Poniku Asret (1964) were killed on 7th September by Shiptar terrorists. Arsim was killed during the attack to Ponuku's house in street Zvecanska in Prizren at 20.20, while Asret was driven in an unknown direction. His massacred corpse was found a day later in the vicinity of the Muslim cemetery in Prizren.

Tadija Radivojevic, from the village of Svinjare, Kosovska Mitrovica Municipality, driver of the ambulance vehicle in "Stari Trg" mine, was killed in the terrorist attack made on 8th September at about 22.40. Infantry arms were used in this attack at policemen and workers of the physical security of "Trepca" mine in Stari Trg.

Domdjonas Marijan (1946), from the village of Grazdanik, Prizren Municipality was killed with firearms on 30th August. His corpse was found on 9th September in the area of the village of Leskovac.

Djekaj Dina (1951), from the village of Rznic, Decani Municipality, was killed by Albanian terrorists from firearms. His corpse was found on 9th September in the meadow by the road in the area of the village of Skivljan, Djakovica Municipality.

Milos Radunovic (1938), from Ljumbarda, Decani Municipality, and Slobodan Radosevic (1936), from Dasinovci, were killed by Albanian terrorists. Their corpses were identified among other male and female corpses found on 10th September in the wider area of the village of Dasinovac, Decani Municipality, in the vicinity of the intersection of the road to the village of Donji Ratis.

Banikaj Ekrem (1958) was killed with several shots from automatic weapons. He was kidnapped on 31st May, while his corpse was found on 11th September in the village of Krusevac, Pec Municipality.

Djulja Hajdari (1925) was killed by Albanian terrorists by throwing into the well in front of her house in the village of Drenovac, Klina Municipality. Her corpse was found on 14th September.

Zujkaj Sefceta (1945), from Beleg, Decani Municipality, was killed by Albanian terrorists. His corpse was found on 16th September in the village of Beleg, in the field planted with maize.

Haljilji Berisa (1941), from Rznic, was killed by Albanian terrorists. His corpse was found on 17th September in the hamlet of Dodaj, Decani Municipality.

Bahri Sulja, from Bencuk, Vucitrn Municipality, was killed by Albanian terrorists. On 18th September at 17.40 in the village of Mijalic, Vucitrn Municipality, Sam Saraci from Bivoljak and another unidentified person made an attack from automatic firearms to the passenger vehicle in which were Sasa Milovanovic and Milos Skulic. On that occasion Sulja, who was in front of the nearby shop, was killed.

Djemaj Betim (1985) and Djemaj Behar (1987) lost their lives on 19th September at about 12.00 in explosion of a mine planted by Albanian terrorists in the area of the village of Leskovac, Prizren Municipality.

Adrijana Klinaku, 6-month-old baby, was killed in terrorist attack made on 23rd September at about 11.00 in the vicinity of the village of Sibovac, Obilic Municipality. A mine from a bazooka stroke at the tractor-trailer.

Robaj Spetim (1957), doctor-anesthesiologist in MKCK from Pristina, killed on 30th September on the road connecting Gornja Obrinja village, Glogovac Municipality, and Likovac village, Srbica Municipality. A vehicle of the International Committee of the Red Cross from Switzerland ran onto a pressure mine placed by Albanian terrorists during their withdrawal from that area.

Bafi Bajraktari (1913) succumbed to the wounds inflicted in the terrorist attack made on 29th September in Budakovo village, Suva Reka Municipality.

Sufaj Suljo (1922) was killed by terrorists. His corpse with partly burned and carbonized bones was found in the septic tank of his family house on 4th October in the village of Prilep.

Gasi Ljuman (1955), from Djinovac, was seized by Albanian terrorists on 2nd July. His corpse was found on 10th October on the road connecting Lesane and Trnja villages, Suva Reka Municipality.

Dren Sef (1932) was killed in the terrorist attack made on 29th October at about 00.15 in the village of Firza, Djakovica Municipality. Terrorists entered into his yard and killed him with shots from automatic weapons.

Murat Hadjosaja (1942) was killed by Albanian terrorists on 13th November at about 18.00 in Prekoluka village, Decani Municipality. Terrorists took him out of the village and killed him with shots from automatic rifles.


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1 posted on 12/20/2001 12:22:07 PM PST by vooch
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To: balkans, crazykatz, gael, pericles, bluester, torie,
since the UN took over Kosovo the civilain murder rate has risen fourfold.

In the 2 years prior to Clinton's bombing about 500 civilains died...........in the 2 two years after 1,100 died and 1,300 disappeared presumed dead.

2 posted on 12/20/2001 12:24:23 PM PST by vooch
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To: hoplite
A quick count of this death roll indicates that 100-110 civilians were murdered in 1998.

I kept partial stats on the civilian toll for the first 3 months of 1999 and have something less than 100. (of course my numbers may miss some victims)

So, net net my estimate of 500 civilains killed in the 2 years prior to Clinton's bombing was erred on the side of UNMIK/Kfor and against the sinister regime of the evil Milosevic. The 500 estimate came from a review of the death roll on Adem Demaci's (founder of the KLA) CDHRF site. His interest was to inflate the toll to encourage Humanitarian Warriors to bray for bombing.

thanks to Hoplite for helping to set the record straight. I stand corrected.

Instead of the death toll rising fourfold under UN occupation......the civilian death toll seems to have risen between 8-10 times So much for the benefits of UN occupation.

3 posted on 12/20/2001 12:35:30 PM PST by vooch
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To: vooch
Someday, I hope you'll post the names of Albanian civilians that were killed by Serb military/paramilitary forces as well Vooch.
4 posted on 12/20/2001 12:44:39 PM PST by bluester
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To: vooch
As my father says, "The earth seems to be passing through a galactic stupid cloud.". It seems people are to busy to think for themselves these days. Fast food for the body, crass media for the mind.
5 posted on 12/20/2001 12:48:30 PM PST by Goblins
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To: vooch
Gee, does this mean that the 18 members of the Deliaj family are still alive?

Or does that just mean that since they were killed by Serb Security forces that they wouldn't have been reported by media organs loyal to Slobodan Milosevic, such as yourself?

= )

6 posted on 12/20/2001 1:12:27 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Hej Hoplite give me the brake!You are going to say that botle og CocaCola find itself a way in the ass of the man or how many of Serbian civilians got killed for last 56 years from your "victoriuos rebelion Jan 1945" or so called Authonomy .Could you explain to all of us:how it comes that you and your people allways asked something which is given to you from some regimes like Nazi Germany and Italian fashistics and as well Tito's communists? It will be very interesting to see your answer.
7 posted on 12/20/2001 1:32:38 PM PST by staritrg
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To: staritrg
Lemme see if I can't paraphrase your question here:

How can I defend crimes against Serbs by Kosovar Albanians?

I don't - the ethnicity of victims is not important to me. Reducing the overall number of victims is. And if that means bombing nations run by the likes of Slobodan Milosevic in order to reduce the level of mayhem in Europe, so be it. We now occupy Kosovo, and the level of violence there has gone down markedly since the departure of Milosevic's forces, contrary to what people like Vooch would have us believe.

The difference is that people like Vooch are attempting to lie and deny when it comes to Serb crimes against Kosovar Albanians (or Bosnians, or Croats), while playing up events where Serbs are victimized to their fullest extent, unless the perpetrator was associated with Slobodan Milosevic (bank scandal, electoral fraud, take your pick).

Lastly, I'm not affiliated with any of the ethnicities in the Balkans other than by our common humanity.

8 posted on 12/20/2001 2:07:21 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
"Gee, does this mean that the 18 members of the Deliaj family are still alive?"

How do you know that the Deliaj family wasn't murdered by the KLA? Mutilation is the work of the KLA. If the Serbs were so brutal why did they bother to capture and imprision over 2,000 Albanian KLA/KLA affiliated instead of outright killing them?

None of the Albanians released from Serb jails looks to be anything but well-fed. No one looks mutilated or anything. It's the KLA's M.O. to mutilate.

The massacre of those people took place in a KLA stronghold.

9 posted on 12/20/2001 2:17:18 PM PST by joan
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To: Hoplite
We now occupy Kosovo, and the level of violence there has gone down markedly since the departure of Milosevic's forces, contrary to what people like Vooch would have us believe.

And that is based on which data? During Miloshevic (not that I want to defend him) there was a low-level conflict between KLA militants (armed and encouraged by CIA and Germany) and Serbian militia (which consisted both of Serbs and Albanians), there were almost no civilian casualties. There were political prisoners though, but under Miloshevich and Tito there were political prisoners of all ethicities, I don't believe Albanians were particularly targeted.

The number of murdered civilians since UN overtook Kosovo is much, much higher now and that's the fact.

We are not trying to downplay the number of other non-Serb victims, but the fact is that their numbers were ridiculosly overblown by media to justify Clinton failed policies and nation building in the Balkans.

And I don't see how you can justify bombing Serbia or any other country, like Afganistan or Iraq, for any reason.

There is no such thing as "humanitarian bombing", you can't help some innocent people by killing other innocent people. Or, like in case of Afganistan, which I found painfully cinical, where they first send airplanes to drop food, and afterward they send airplanes to drop bombs.

And, when educated and intelligent people like you don't see irony in things like these, then one should wonder which direction the humankind is going.

10 posted on 12/20/2001 2:28:10 PM PST by Leonora
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To: Hoplite
We now occupy Kosovo, and the level of violence there has gone down markedly since the departure of Milosevic's forces

Oh please. No one believes that but you and a few other extremely uninformed people. Some children in Kosovo can't even walk to school without being escorted by armed Kfor troops, other people are afraid to go to the store because they don't speak Albanian. Not to mention the white slavery of young eastern european girls who are forced to perform sexual favors to anyone who can afford to pay their pimps. None of this was happening 5 years ago. If you're not Albanian, Kosovo is the worst place in the world to live. And unfortunately for the KLA and for you, the west is slowly but surely shifting their support away from the KLA and to the Serbs.

11 posted on 12/20/2001 2:29:09 PM PST by The Big Dog
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To: joan
Joan.

Air your denial complex in front of someone else, Ok?

I've had enough of pathetic Serb apologists like you - send an e-mail to Stella or something.

12 posted on 12/20/2001 2:32:12 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: The Big Dog
Alright hero, given that 1,200 people died in Kosovo per the SUC's numbers, how many have died in Kosovo since NATO took over?

Kindly document your claims, or don't bother posting anything.

13 posted on 12/20/2001 2:44:27 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; The Big Dog; vooch
Here’s a starting point. It’s limited to Serbs, and only covers June through August 1999, but nevertheless gives a pretty astonishing carnage list for a NATO-induced “peace”. But those are redundant concepts.

Dead

Abducted

Why is it that, wherever NATO goes in the Balkans, it manages to replicate the political status quo circa 1943? Riddle me that, peace boy.

14 posted on 12/20/2001 3:05:15 PM PST by Gael
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To: Leonora
See my response to Big Dog - if you have a number that you can document, bring it.

You don't get to designate all Kosovar Albanians as KLA members, there were more than enough women and children killed by Serb security forces in 1998 to invalidate that claim not to mention the fact that the KLA was, is, and forever shall be less popular than the LDK.

Educated and intelligent people like me know that bombing is used when diplomacy fails in instances where our national interest is great enough to force an issue.

Slobodan's wars in Europe, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and their continuing non-compliance with the terms of their surrender, and the Taleban's support and protection of Osama bin Laden all qualify as instances where our national interest was sufficient enough to instigate military action to influence the course of events on the ground.

Peace is the ideal, but I'm not buying it at the cost you would have us pay.

15 posted on 12/20/2001 3:08:20 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Gael
Why is it that, wherever NATO goes in the Balkans, it manages to replicate the political status quo circa 1943? Riddle me that, peace boy.

The leadership of Yugoslavia managed to divide the residents into Chetnik, Ustashe, and Muslim camps just fine by themselves, Gael.

16 posted on 12/20/2001 3:23:55 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Past was prologue, just the way NATO wanted it. Perfesser Gael has put together a quiz just for you Hop, although anyone else interested can play too. It’s really simple: guess whose dreamy dreams all came true thanks to NATO and the humanitarian warriors?

Then:

Mile Budak, an Ustasa leader, stated the Serb minority would be handled according to a mathematical formula: One-third would be exterminated, one-third forcibly converted to Catholicism, and one-third resettled outside Croatia. In reality, these neat fractions were blurred as Ustasa state policy tended toward the annihilation of all Serbs within its territory.

And now.

Then: "time has come to exterminate the Serbs ... there will be no Serbs under the Kosovo sun”

And now.

And of course, some people never had the decency to go away in the first place. ”In our land, with our faith”, anyone?

I’m sure you’ll do well enough to get an A in my Agendas 101 class.

17 posted on 12/20/2001 4:20:07 PM PST by Gael
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To: Hoplite
As for your response to Big Dog, you can't compare the situation in 1998 and the one afterwards. In 1998 ther was a low grade civil war, so 1200 victims (most of them among Serbian militia and KLA) is not a bad number. I think at the time a congressman from Georgia said that that's how many murders happen in Atlanta in one year.

However, now that we have this wonderful peackeepers (who apperantly instead of keeping peace keep shooting themselves in various types of "accidents") the amount of the dead civilians is unaccaptable.

As for the rest, I'll do a little profiling here:

You live in San Jose, ha? I bet you are one of those self-centered and self-righteous geeks who works 15 hours a day in a high-tech field, who finds a little time to read this or that and thinks he (or is it a she? ) knows everything. So, if it is in our national interest to starve a few million Iraqi children or shoot a couple hundred of Afghanistan or Serb children, that's OK. Well, it's not OK. It is morally wrong and if we want to remain the world leader we have to be a role model too.

And, BTW, I don't have anything against geeks ( I myself have a degree in a high tech field), I just don't like self-centered people.

18 posted on 12/20/2001 4:57:27 PM PST by Leonora
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To: Gael
The Krajina Serbs were not the worst refugee problem in the balkans, and why on earth would you post to such an obviously erroneous article - 14,000 killed in Operation Storm?

I hope you didn't spend too much time on the rest of your post, Gael, 'cause I've given it all the time it deserves already.

19 posted on 12/20/2001 5:01:57 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: BigDog
. If you're not Albanian, Kosovo is the worst place in the world to live

very wrong here BigDog..... especially if you are a moderate or loyalist Albanian, Kosovo is the worst place in the world to live

..........

At least Kfor makes a pretense of guarding minorities.....in the Albanian districts the KLA is left free to rampage.....

Adem Demaci says that 800 Albanian civilians have been murdered since the UN occupation began.

20 posted on 12/20/2001 5:11:39 PM PST by vooch
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