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To: blam
Why would "roman astrologers" come from "the east"?

I saw a special the other night that had a more plausible story, and which I've heard before.

In the year 7 B.C., Jupiter, Saturn and Mars aligned against a background constellation that was considered to be Israel. Jupiter represented a king, Saturn a son. I forget what Mars represented. Anyway, the "magi" or astrologers understood this to mean that a son was to be born to a king in the nation of Israel. In other words, a new king was to be born in Israel.

So the magi headed west to the capital of Israel and asked where the new king was to be born. The Jews explain that the messiah was to be born in Bethlehem. The symbolism is very interesting considering that non-Jews (gentiles) recognize the King of Israel while the Jews (or at least a lot of them) do not.

15 posted on 12/21/2001 6:03:16 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Hmmm... Sounds like they were close but got it backwards. In the mythology of the planets Jupiter represents the son who is born to a father who intends to kill him at birth because prophecy states that said son will cause the downfall of the father. The Mother hides the infant at birth. The son matures in hiding and emerges to fullfill the prophecy. In this conjunction Mars represents war and aggression between the father and son. Since Saturn represents an old king and an establishment. The conjunction would would most likely affect the nation where the culmination of the conjunction occurred by manifesting the mythology of the archetypes involved,(hence the wise men knowing where the baby king would be born and the circumstances of the fated childs birth.) It is a well known fact among theologians that Christ's celebrated bithdate was chosen by the church to superimpose on the pagan midwinter holidays to assist in converting said pagans to christianity and to bring conquered nations under Roman control. If you can control a people's religion ....you can control a people.
17 posted on 12/21/2001 6:41:54 AM PST by SpikeG
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To: Aquinasfan
The symbolism is very interesting considering that non-Jews (gentiles) recognize the King of Israel while the Jews (or at least a lot of them) do not.

Please see my #55 for an explanation as to why Jews might have been uncomfortable with the notion of the stars indicating the birth of the messiah.

56 posted on 12/21/2001 10:11:30 AM PST by malakhi
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To: Aquinasfan

Magi weren't astrologers they were Zoroastrians. Magi is the literal name for the Priest in Zoroastrianism. In fact, their Priests are still called Magi.

That's where the word Magic and Magus came from.


149 posted on 11/28/2004 1:32:16 PM PST by freedom44
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