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Curious About Freeper's Views Of Joyce Meyer
onedoug ^ | 12 DEC 2001 | onedoug

Posted on 12/21/2001 11:34:36 AM PST by onedoug

"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.

Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?

She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.

(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)

I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.

...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.

In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!


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1 posted on 12/21/2001 11:34:36 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
I don't watch it myself, but Elmer Gantry was a good movie.
2 posted on 12/21/2001 11:36:23 AM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: onedoug
In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think.

I'm not really qualified to address her doctrinal leanings -although I can't say I've disagreed with her. But her practical advice to Christians is outstanding.

One of my favorite things I've heard her say "How can you pray to have authority over demons if you don't have authority over the dirty dishes?"

3 posted on 12/21/2001 11:38:56 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: onedoug
I like her. She's very practical and down to earth in her messages.
4 posted on 12/21/2001 11:40:38 AM PST by Teacup
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To: Ward Smythe
I've been to numerous Joyce Meyer meetings. I think she is awesome. She is very honest and transparent about what she is and what she does, whether it is sharing about her own life or her ministry. You can take her or leave her, but you always know where she stands.

IMHO, I think her doctrine is extremely sound.

5 posted on 12/21/2001 11:42:24 AM PST by KsSunflower
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To: KsSunflower
I think her doctrine is extremely sound.

I'm inclined to agree, but just haven't heard enough of her to comment.

6 posted on 12/21/2001 11:45:19 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: onedoug
One caveat, be careful with "word of faith" teachers. Name it claim theology can be destructive. A theology for spoiled Americans. Nevertheless she is funny and does have some accurate teaching. Personally I think she would do better as a motivational speaker.
7 posted on 12/21/2001 12:01:43 PM PST by week 71
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To: onedoug
I live about half a mile from her new $2 million offices. She says she paid cash for the building and land. It's something to see.

I do like to listen to her when I get the chance. Like others here, I think she is down to earth in her message.

8 posted on 12/21/2001 12:01:45 PM PST by Lyndal
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To: onedoug
I like her a lot, although I rarely see her. My wife absolutely loves her.

I take hermore as a counselor than a "preacher." I like the way she says things pouint blank. I'm not into sugar coating the truth. A half truth is a whole lie.

9 posted on 12/21/2001 12:07:20 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: onedoug
Joyce Meyer? She is OK but her message seems to be more based on psychology than on the Word of God.

Lately (growing up in the Word of Faith Camp - to which Meyers claims to belong) I have about had it with shallow and selfish Christianity - which Meyers espouses. That is.... the main battles she is attempting to help us overcome are: spilling coffee on ourselves and keeping out temper.... keeping calm when we awake with a bad hair day.... controlling our greed and selfishness with our mate... not chewing out a waitress when they mess our order up, and so on.

It just seems to me that those kind of things are trivial at the least. Most of them I learned to control from my Mother's instruction and my Dad's discipline. It really pales in comparison to our Christian brothers and sisters overseas who are tortured and killed for their religious freedoms. (Such as Christians in Afghanistan) I sometimes wonder how long Joyce would last in such an environment? Well maybe a few weeks if they did not deprive her of makeup or a hair dryer.....

Not trying to be hard on Joyce but just thinking out loud a bit and longing for the days when Christianity will be more about worshiping God and helping others than about not blowing up when we don't get our own way and living our life just to meet our own needs.
10 posted on 12/21/2001 12:07:20 PM PST by RepublicanJoe
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To: all
She is totally NEW AGE in her doctrine. She's biblically ignorant and those who follow her are the same. If you like these new age "motivational speakers" then more power to ya, but for bible truths, she's a blank.
11 posted on 12/21/2001 12:10:47 PM PST by a contender
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To: a contender
She is totally NEW AGE in her doctrine. She's biblically ignorant and those who follow her are the same. If you like these new age "motivational speakers" then more power to ya, but for bible truths, she's a blank.

Example to come?

12 posted on 12/21/2001 12:12:10 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: RepublicanJoe
and longing for the days when Christianity will be more about worshiping God and helping others than about not blowing up when we don't get our own way and living our life just to meet our own needs.

ditto to the above. We are so "soft" in this country and I fear most "Christians" will head for the door when times get rough.

13 posted on 12/21/2001 12:14:01 PM PST by week 71
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To: RepublicanJoe
Lately (growing up in the Word of Faith Camp - to which Meyers claims to belong) I have about had it with shallow and selfish Christianity - which Meyers espouses. That is.... the main battles she is attempting to help us overcome are: spilling coffee on ourselves and keeping out temper.... keeping calm when we awake with a bad hair day.... controlling our greed and selfishness with our mate... not chewing out a waitress when they mess our order up, and so on.

It just seems to me that those kind of things are trivial at the least.

I disagree strongly.  Christian character is an important goal to set.  I'm pretty sure that we were told to love one another?  If we learn to deal with the small things that bug us, how much better can we deal with those who are hard to love?

14 posted on 12/21/2001 12:15:56 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: Lyndal;week 71;
The money's obviously better in religion.

I'd do it, but for worry that if I could get as consistenly fired-up, I'd come to worship God, or money more?

15 posted on 12/21/2001 12:16:14 PM PST by onedoug
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To: AlGone2001
I'm by no means trying to divide the body, however speaking things into existence, which she advocates, comes from new age teachings about the power of the mind.
16 posted on 12/21/2001 12:17:48 PM PST by week 71
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To: onedoug
Don't listen to her much, so I'm not one to comment on her doctrine.

Prefer Kay Arthur, as she does clear, inductive studies. Her words studies provide awesome insight.

17 posted on 12/21/2001 12:23:20 PM PST by woollyone
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To: RepublicanJoe
See? Now you're going deep on me. Though I definitely see your point. I wonder if we ever know our faith until it's tested. And then it will always be to various degrees. And for some it will come over and over again.

Meyer projects this sense of "Americana" perhaps, more effectively than most I've seen in awhile. A kinda struttin' cowgirl, as it were, that sells her well too.

18 posted on 12/21/2001 12:26:55 PM PST by onedoug
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To: windcliff
Your daily dose, bump.
19 posted on 12/21/2001 12:28:35 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
At least she's teaching/preaching more than the same ole' same ole'. I find that 99% of the pulpit group still teach the milk of the word. They've never moved on to the meat. Most think they are teaching the meat, but they aren't. Blind shepherds continuing to blind the sheep.

I find Joyce a breath of fresh air. She's not into the meat yet, but she is dealing with lots of truth. Instead of putting satan/devil/evil one on the throne like most christians have been taught to do. She lets folks know that most times its self that made you do it, and not the satan/devil/evil one. At least it's a start. One day she'll step out and away from the milk pulpit group. She seems to be the right type to, not a herd type.

20 posted on 12/21/2001 12:28:35 PM PST by shield
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To: week 71
I'm by no means trying to divide the body, however speaking things into existence, which she advocates, comes from new age teachings about the power of the mind.

Honestly, most of the old-time faith teachers have moved on. When oneis peaking and believing for God's will, I don't see room to call that New Age.

Here is something to consider; maybe New Age is attempting to mock Christianity?

Trust me when I say this-I am not one of those "name it and claim it" Christians. I've heard that teaching, and it doesn't take long to see that some are using the Gospel entirely for personal gain. I'll never argue that.

I do not see this with her. She is very strong in the word, and has a ton of wisdom. Her teachings are more practical than most any teacher in the Christian family.

21 posted on 12/21/2001 12:29:47 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: onedoug
I have never heard of her, or her ministry, before your mentioning it hear.
22 posted on 12/21/2001 12:30:24 PM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: RepublicanJoe
I have seen Joyce every year for the past three years in Houston. I have read several of her books and I used to listen to her on TV daily. She speaks with a Bible open in front of her the whole time and quotes from the Bible every other sentence. She is not new age and even laughs at new agers. She has been consistent all these years in her message. You can order books or tapes on her web page. Why not check her out rather than dissing her. She is a high quality, patriotic American and truthful human being.
23 posted on 12/21/2001 12:34:30 PM PST by Kibbylou
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To: AlGone2001
I've only listened to her less then a dozen times, so I would not be serving the truth by going into any detail about her teachings. Some flags just go up with that theology.

I doubt new age is copying christianity because Faith teachings did not show up until this century, after new age was born.

24 posted on 12/21/2001 12:36:09 PM PST by week 71
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To: week 71
I doubt new age is copying christianity because Faith teachings did not show up until this century, after new age was born.

I believe that New Age has been around much longer, but by other names.

One thing that we overlook about Eve eating the forbidden fruit is that she did so because the serpent told her that she would be like God.

That is the real essence of the New Age Movement. Nothing new, really...

25 posted on 12/21/2001 12:39:34 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: : Lyndal;week 71;
You want an Example? everytime she OPENS HER MOUTH she is totally new age. Just because she says a few "bible phrases" doesn't mean she is teaching bible truths. Open your KJV 1611 AV and read it for yourself. She's counting on biblically ignorant folks who are too lazy to study the Holy Scriptures for themselves. Also, the bible states that a women is not to preach because Eve was the one deceived, not Adam. The devil always comes through a women in the pulpit. She is decieved on that premise alone, not to mention all her "new age philosophies" she teaches. Like I said, if those kind of "motivational speakers" are for you, have at um... its a free country. But she IS biblically ignorant.
26 posted on 12/21/2001 12:42:05 PM PST by a contender
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To: Kibbylou
Why not check her out rather than dissing her. She is a high quality, patriotic American and truthful human being.

Some would rather dis another simply because they don't teach the way that they've heard it. Instead of being open and comparing it to what he already knows, some find it much more doctrinal to just dismiss the teaching.

27 posted on 12/21/2001 12:42:52 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: onedoug
Recommend you do a Google Search on the woman, including the word charismatics in your search, and read the pros and cons.
28 posted on 12/21/2001 12:43:19 PM PST by pt17
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To: AlGone2001
One thing that we overlook about Eve eating the forbidden fruit is that she did so because the serpent told her that she would be like God.

The lie hasn't changed much has it. :-) No but the idea that we create out own reality is more recent. Buttressed by recent findings in quatum physcis. You are right, the Satanic lie is just more refined for our times.

29 posted on 12/21/2001 12:44:04 PM PST by week 71
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To: onedoug
She seems like she'd make a good dominatrix if she were "in the world" so to speak.

I have rarely ever seen this woman, as I don't normally watch TV, but the first time I heard her on the radio, I thought it was a man with a sort of high-pitched voice. I wouldn't be surprised if she "wears the pants'" in her family. Nothing wrong with a "strong woman" in the household if the man can handle it. Some men even prefer the woman to run things.

At least she doesn't scream at me through the radio speaker the way Tony Evans does.

30 posted on 12/21/2001 12:45:41 PM PST by longleaf
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To: a contender
You want an Example? everytime she OPENS HER MOUTH she is totally new age.

I have already asked for an example, but surely there will not be one.

The woman has more widsdom under her fingernail than both us us will ever have in whole persons.

I also know that she loves Jesus, and is not ashamed to say it. I am amaazed that most Christians don't publicly tell people that they LOVE Jesus.

31 posted on 12/21/2001 12:47:38 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: pt17
I have. That's why I posted this.
32 posted on 12/21/2001 12:48:34 PM PST by onedoug
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To: a contender
Though if she motivates people to dig into their Bibles?...
33 posted on 12/21/2001 12:50:58 PM PST by onedoug
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Also, the bible states that a women is not to preach because Eve was the one deceived, not Adam.

Actually, the bible tells us that women should not teach men. Also, she is not the pastor of her church. She promotes herself to women, as do others. They are public meetings, and men are allowed to attend.

More than anything, she is a counselor. That is why people long to hear her.

34 posted on 12/21/2001 12:51:55 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: week 71
A counter caveat. Word of faith is excellent. I highly recommend it. Of course, people who are not "of faith" can do as they please. As for Joyce, she explains scripture in practical, and useful illustrations. A good teacher.
35 posted on 12/21/2001 12:52:08 PM PST by LS
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To: AlGone2001
"If we learn to deal with the small things that bug us, how much better can we deal with those who are hard to love?"
Can you give an example of Jesus dealing with any of the issues such as "spilling coffee and getting mad," or a "bad hair day"? I have not found any Scripture for these issues.
Joyce is still in Kindergarden herself. She has just found her nich with selfish American "soccer moms."
36 posted on 12/21/2001 12:53:36 PM PST by RepublicanJoe
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To: onedoug
I have. That's why I posted this.

Then I guess you'll find out who likes new age charismatics and who doesn't.
37 posted on 12/21/2001 12:55:02 PM PST by pt17
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To: onedoug
I wonder if we ever know our faith until it's tested.
Do you call keeping your cool with a bad waitress a test?
38 posted on 12/21/2001 12:55:48 PM PST by RepublicanJoe
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To: RepublicanJoe
See, Joe, you missed her whole point. Jesus said the "little foxes spoil the vines." Joyce says that you cannot cast out demons if you don't have control over a sink full of dirty dishes. That is PERFECT advice and is far from "soft" Christianity. Quite the contrary, she (and all other Word of Faith teachers I've heard---dunno who you listen to) HARP on discipline in ALL things. I don't see any way shape or form that this is "soft" or easy.

If you take any time to listen to Fred Price explain how he got to where he is, faith-wise, he takes great pains to explain how he gets up at 5:00 to pray for 1 1/2 hours! Now, that's not to pat him on the back, but I see Max Lucado, one of the favorites of the "deny yourself" crowd admit that he only prays 1/2 hour. Again, this isn't a "comparison" of prayer time, but only examples. I just don't get this notion that "faith" people have it easy. I could tell you what I do daily---it isn't enough, but it is COMPLETELY the reason I receive from God what I do receive.

39 posted on 12/21/2001 12:56:13 PM PST by LS
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To: a contender
Your post is as "new age" as they come. All allegation, not substance.
40 posted on 12/21/2001 12:56:49 PM PST by LS
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To: AlGone2001
>>>I also know that she loves Jesus, and is not ashamed to say it. I am amaazed that most Christians don't publicly tell people that they LOVE Jesus>>>> Which jesus is she preaching? Paul warns us about "another jesus, another gospel, and another spirit". She preaches the "new jesus" that is this feel good, your ok, I'm ok gospel. Her jesus is VERY EFFEMINATE. Her jesus is that "angel of light" mentioned to beware of. Like I said, its a free country and the God of the most High will let you choose whatever god you want to follow. Isn't He all merciful?!!!!
41 posted on 12/21/2001 12:57:19 PM PST by a contender
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To: a contender
Speaking the truth in love I see. FYI The Bible intructs women not to be pastors, but permits the teaching of women. Paul was corrected by a woman in Acts. Even the later translations with earlier manuscipts and a better understanding of Hebrew and Greek say that. And understand I would not promote her at all. Like I said in an earlier post, she would do better as a motivational speaker.
42 posted on 12/21/2001 12:57:22 PM PST by week 71
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To: pt17
...and hopefully more. Learning is what I've always liked best of FR.
43 posted on 12/21/2001 12:57:58 PM PST by onedoug
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To: RepublicanJoe
Can you give an example of Jesus dealing with any of the issues such as "spilling coffee and getting mad," or a "bad hair day"? I have not found any Scripture for these issues.

The scriptuse give alot of weight to the fruits of the Spirit. Those are goals that we set so that we can be a better example to the lost.

You can find all of those things that you mentioned wrapped up in:

LOVE
JOY
PEACE
KINDNESS
MEEKNESS
GENTLENESS
MEEKNESS

PATIENCE, and
SELF-CONTROL

Yes, there is a lot of scriptural weight in fruitful behavior, and how we react to our environment.

44 posted on 12/21/2001 12:58:01 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: week 71
"speaking things into existence is new age." Absolutely wrong. It is 100% scriptural. It is "new age" to say, "I can't, because I'm just a worm."
45 posted on 12/21/2001 12:58:12 PM PST by LS
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To: RepublicanJoe
I know he is controversial JUST because he does tell it like it is - Arnold Murray who pastors Shepherds Chapel Church in Gravette, Ark. He is an ex-Marine, Korean vintage and doesn't mince any words. He teaches verse by verse, chapter by chapter and book by book. His website is: www.shepherdschapel.com. Try him - you will get hooked! He is on Dish Network quite a number of hours each week - one must have the 500 version however.
46 posted on 12/21/2001 12:59:29 PM PST by Clifdo
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To: onedoug
Learning is what I've always liked best of FR.

Couldn't agree more. Good post! :-)
47 posted on 12/21/2001 1:02:55 PM PST by pt17
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To: onedoug
What's her cup size?
48 posted on 12/21/2001 1:03:04 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: LS
Hey, I really like Fred Price and Max is alright if you like a la-de-da gospel.
Joyce is OK too for immature Christians. But sooner or later you have to grow up. Maybe oneday we all will, including Joyce.
Hope nobody spills coffee on her right before Jesus comes!
49 posted on 12/21/2001 1:03:19 PM PST by RepublicanJoe
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To: RepublicanJoe
I find that I can relate it to incidents of combat I've known on the battlefield. Same principle(s), really.
50 posted on 12/21/2001 1:03:28 PM PST by onedoug
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