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Saudi Arabia's Apartheid
Washington Post ^ | 12/22/2001 | Colbert I. King

Posted on 12/21/2001 8:32:42 PM PST by Pokey78

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In response to last week's column concerning treatment of women in the Middle East, an American official who just completed a tour of duty in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, wrote: "As a husband and as a father of a teenage daughter, I can assure you that life even for Western women in Saudi Arabia is every bit as bad as you describe. Saudi official assurances that non-Muslims need not follow Muslim codes of dress and behavior are utter nonsense, and the very real threat of punishment or abuse for not wearing abbayas [head-to-toe black cloaks] or for going out unaccompanied leaves most Western women in Riyadh to live lives of silent depression."

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1 posted on 12/21/2001 8:32:42 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
.....I think it's about time people get off their high horse and admit that we didn't topple the Taliban because of their treatment of women.

I have never even heard that suggested. We toppled them because they refused to turn over the people who attacked us and killed our people. Complaining about the tratment of women was a side issue.

3 posted on 12/21/2001 8:50:48 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
I suppose since women are not permitted to drive in kingdom that having to wear a black chador on 140º days is a sign of respect. Any other wisdom you would like to pass unto us here . . . . like maybe arranged marriage child rape is morally equivalent and a good thing. Oh, I forgot gental mutilation is the best sign of respect that a Saudi male can pay his wife. I envy you. I spent 5-1/2 years in kingdom and you know so much more than me. [/sarcasm]
4 posted on 12/21/2001 8:53:03 PM PST by PA Engineer
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
No, Apartheid ( which this is NOT , in Saudi Arabia !) was NOT this bad, in South Africa. Lefties have used propaganda and outright LIES , in order to ruin a once WESTERNIZED, civil country , and hand it over to a bunch of black tribalist COMMUNIST thugs ! Most blacks,in South Africa, have it far worse, now that Apartheid has ended. First Mandela, and now Mbeki have / are ruined that nation.
5 posted on 12/21/2001 8:55:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
Many 12 year old girls have been sewn back up again by western nurses in Kingdom. You think this is a good thing. Pretty sick if you ask me. Again, I envy you knowledge about things you know nothing of.
8 posted on 12/21/2001 9:21:16 PM PST by PA Engineer
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
"The servitude of men to women in the West is at least at bad."....What are you smoking! Around here I still do the lion's share of the load! As for the abuse button, women can be arrested for the same thing!
10 posted on 12/21/2001 10:16:19 PM PST by brat
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The taliban blew up those ancient buddhist statues. What happened to them was "instand karma".
11 posted on 12/21/2001 10:29:45 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
Can women vote in Saudi Arabia? If not, isn't that a form of Aparthied?
12 posted on 12/21/2001 10:33:00 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
Gee, you wouldn't happen to be a paid Saud lobbyist, would you now? Beat it.

After reading some of the stuff I've read about your nasty little terrorist supporting dictatorship, I think it might be a proper plan for someone in the State Department to give Saddam a hint that it might be a good idea to take over, kind of like we did with Kuwait.

Give Saddam a month to deal with you creeps. Then topple both countries and put the UN in charge. All future oil profits to be given to saudis and iraqis on a per capita basis. No more nasty terrorist supporting dictatorships.

14 posted on 12/21/2001 10:42:03 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: AdamWeisshaupt

We will center on the non-parental child theft within the United States by the Saudi princes and their associates. The Saudi princes and their associates purchase US children both male and female as sex slaves. Saud princes are willing to pay dearly for the right quality child (product) and consider virgins as the top of the line. The children are usually shipped in private planes or boats by Saudi princes. They are drugged to be malleable so as not to make disturbances. Some are recruited within the United States or Northern Europe for fictitious jobs as models or actresses while others are purchased from local procurers. Once in Saudi Arabia the girls and boys are whisked off to the palace of the purchasing prince. A prince is absolute ruler of his compound. Architecturally, the compounds are designed with slave quarters included. Within the palace walls whatever the prince says goes, there are no government restrictions to his will. If a slave escapes they are immediately brought back by the Saudi security police to the responsible prince who may do with them as he pleases. They rarely escape since they spend most of their time within the confined parts of the palace compound under supervision. When the prince entertains his male friends he provides them with both male and female child sex slaves for their enjoyment. If he tires of a child sex slave he will sell it to another prince or sheik. It is believed once these sex slaves have outlived their usefulness they are dumped into Rubal Khali. It would be to dangerous to free them for fear of potential embarrassment to Saudi Arabian public relations abroad. One hears many stories along the Cote d'Azure of young girls being enticed to luxurious parties given by Saudi princes never to be seen again. Many young girls and boys along the French coast have stories of Saudi princes trying to entice them into their planes or boats for "a ride". The Saudi princes have grown so sophisticated in enticing young girls and boys, they have even financed their own modeling and companion agencies within Europe and the United States to insure top quality merchandise and cut out the middle men. Many models have stories of being solicited by Saudi princes or friends who have disappeared.


Saudi Arabia's participation in international slavery has long been known by State Department careerists who are powerless to react for fear they will be destroyed professionally or will lose the deferred payments promised by Prince Bandar upon their retirement. One has mentioned off the record the widespread knowledge within the State Department of Saudi child theft within the US. Many of the kidnappings in the United States are easily masked within the larger number of runaways each year. The breakdown of the US family has enabled the Saudi princes and their procurers to "special order" kidnap without much concern for law enforcement who are usually looking for someone within the local area. One should often wonder when seeing girls and boys faces in the post office or milk carton wanted ads how many have been "disappeared" to Saudi Arabia.


We do know Saudi princes collect and swap child pornography between themselves. They are said to have their own child sex pornography exchange where pictures of their youngest sex slaves are the most in demand. National Center for Missing & Exploited Children reports: "It is difficult to know with certainty why pedophiles collect child pornography and erotica. ... Collecting this material may help pedophiles satisfy, deal with or reinforce their compulsive, persistent sexual fantasies about children. ... Collecting may also fulfill needs for validation. ... Pedophiles swap pornographic photographs ... As they add to their collections, they get strong reinforcement from each other for their behavior. The collecting and trading process becomes a common bond. ... Child pornography and child erotica are used for the sexual arousal and gratification of pedophiles. ... The younger the child and the more bizarre the acts, the greater the value of the pornography." M114A In order for the Saudi princes to obtain these very young children who are too young to be on their own, the usual "special order" is placed with their procurers so these children can be snatched from their parents. Again, local police are trained through Washington financed programs to look for kidnapping locally. Washington denies the existence of the international child sex slave industry just as the Justice Department denied the existence of the Mafia as an international crime syndicate. For several decades the Justice Department called all crime local allowing the Mafia to thrive in the US. Now the Justice Department calls all nonparental child kidnapping local and finances police training accordingly. Ambassador Prince Bandar's Washington retainers see to it that very little is mentioned about the international Saudi prince child sex slave trade. Remember, one old Washington maxim is: "The one who controls the investigation wins."


It is quite well known within the international slave trade that Saudi princes are high end buyers. There are few countries that do not have procurers working with the international child sex industry. Saudi Princes contract out "special order" requests in various cities with their local procurers from the barrios of Brazil, London's Leichester Square, Paris's Place de Pompidou. Due to the recent lax border regulations in Scandinavia, the princes now get their fair haired children from immigrant procurers. In the United States shopping malls, amusement parks and video parlors are prowled by procurers. The Princes not only do not like dealing with the seemlier elements of the international child sex industry such as the street procurers but see the danger of the media picking their activities up, hence their own modeling agencies. Lately, Saudi princes have begun moving into the modeling agency business to recruit male and female models for some shoot in a distant land never to be heard of again.


As we saw in the third issue Prince Faisal built a marble palace on Kirby in the posh River Oaks section of Houston. He had procurers go to various areas where young people congregated and bring them back to his palace. The prince had a continual party fueled by a stream procured teenagers both male and female. It was relatively easy for the procurers as the word got out about the sumptuous surroundings of the prince. The prince had the best of foods, drink and drugs available every day for his continual party. We do not know if any of these teenagers were enticed to Saudi Arabia. We have been told there was a hushed scandal where after the prince left abruptly apparently never to return. His favored girls lived at his palace, each had a leased car and the capability to go to the exclusive Saks Pavilion Shops near the Galleria and charge clothes to the Prince. Mohammed Al Fassi became so infamous with his perpetual party at his palace in Beverly Hills that he was run out of town after painting the genitals of his statues. Again, we do not know if any of the young attendees ended up in Saudi Arabia.


Many of the Saudi Princes would definitely be considered pedophiles and child molesters if subject to the laws of the United States. Within their own country they would probably not be prosecuted as pedophiles. When a Saudi prince abducts a child from the US, once in Saudi Arabia the child is considered his total responsibility to do with what he may. The State Department in their human rights report have justified Saud family slavery by saying; " it is part of the Saud family culture deeply embedded within the mores and filches of the society".M115


The National Center for Missing & Exploited children reports: "The rule of thumb that psychiatrists and others use is that there must be an age difference of five years. ... child sex ring is defined as one or more offenders simultaneously involved with several child victims. ... In the syndicated (child sex) ring, a well-structured organization recruits children, produces pornography, delivers direct sexual services, and establishes an extensive network of customers. ... Maintaining control is very important in the operation of a child sex ring. It takes a certain amount of skill and cunning to maintain a simultaneous sexual relationship with multiple partners. It is especially difficult if you have the added pressure of concealing illegal behavior. In order to operate a child sex ring, an offender has to know how to control and manipulate children. ... control is primarily maintained through attention, affection, and gifts -- part of the seduction process."M116


The Committee for the Defense of Legitimate Rights in Saudi Arabia based in London through their Saudi dissident leader Mr Masari said; "one regional Governor, whom he accused of tolerating drug users and child sex rings".M117 Prince Mohammed bin Fahd, Governor of the Eastern Province has been accused by the Al Saud newsletter of condoning sex slavery within his administered area. We have been told Governor Prince Mohammed is an active participant in the child sex rings of the Eastern Province. We have been told he has parties for his friends with child sex as the main entertainment. Governor Prince Mohammed likes Hollywood where there are many boys and girls from which to entice into becoming sex slaves in Saudi Arabia under the ruse of film and modeling contracts. These sex slaves are allegedly sold and resold until they are used up whereupon they are helicoptered over Rubal Khali and dumped.


Speaking of Jonathan Aitken, the London Times reports: "But he had been in the Cabinet barely a year when he resigned to clear his name of media allegations of being dependent on Saudi money and procuring women for Arabs."M118 Again, international media frequently attribute the degenerate behavior of Saudi princes to Arabs in general. In this case, Governor of the Eastern Province and son of King Fahd, Prince Mohammed used Aitken as a procurer of young girls through Aitken's health club.


Amnesty International reports; "Dr Mohammed Khalifa an Egyptian doctor working in Saudi Arabia, received 80 lashes in May. He had been tried on charges of slandering a Saudi Arabian headmaster whom he had accused of sexually abusing his son."M119 It is doubtful if their was a Saudi Government investigation of merit, especially when the child was the son of a guest worker.


A young girl heard her father had died while she was visiting King Fahd's nephew in Boston. He and his friends gang raped her after she became traumatized by the news of her father's death. When asked why, one of the participants said they just wanted to see what it was like to have sex with a girl who was so sad. It is not known if the State Department gave these rapists retroactive diplomatic immunity or other assistance. It is known nothing happened to the assailants.


Before Fahd worked his way up to become King, he was a degenerate Prince who squandered Arabian Peninsula oil money on gambling along the Riviera. One day while eating he spotted a little French girl and told friends he had to have her immediately. He had his associates bring the girl to his suite at the hotel whereupon he raped her. He had promised not to penetrate her fully so as to traumatize her but he did. The girl was screaming so loudly that two hotel security men appeared. There was blood everywhere with the little girl hysterical. Fahd paid off the two guards to keep quiet and take the little girl. Fahd then paid off the parents of the little French girl and the matter was dropped. No criminal charges were ever filed.


Prince Sultan is Ambassador Prince Bandar's father. He has a former child sex slave, now older than he desires, in Paris supply him with female children on "special order". Prince Sultan seeks young girls who are loyal, subservient and sexual. These young girls are treated reasonably well by him indulging them with gifts and large amounts of cash bonuses and salaries. We believe he returns these girls to Paris after he tires of them with generous compensation. These children can only be considered sex slaves because of their age. Recently, Prince Sultan purchased seven young French girls from this Parisian procurer to satisfy his needs. He keeps these female child sex slaves away from the eyes of his friends.


The London Times reports: "Executions in Saudi Arabia are prescribed for murder, rape, drug smuggling and child abuse, and carried out in public outside a mosque after prayers on Fridays."M120 If the Saud family abided by it's own laws there would be many Saudi princes who would meet the fate of beheading. Hypocrisy is rampant in Saudi Arabia.


London Times reports: "The Philippines government, responding to dozens of tragic cases of maltreatment, has warned young women going to work as maids in Saudi Arabia that they will be sexually harassed by Saudi men and slapped about by their Saudi mistresses. ... You have to ward off advances by your master, his brother, son and other male members of the household. ... the Philippines labour ministry has also told young male workers heading to Saudi Arabia that they must expect to be at risk of rape."M121 Never does a Saudi prince get charged let alone beheaded for raping a male or female immigrant worker in Saudi Arabia. When they are caught in such criminal activities within the United States Washington gives them diplomatic or retroactive diplomatic immunity.


Shaykha Hasina Wajed, the Prime Minister, has expressed her determination to curb criminal activities relating to the abuse of women and children. She is known to be appalled by the practice of smuggling Bangladeshi children to the Middle East to be used as jockeys in camel racing, and has succeeded in curbing the practice through increased border surveillance.M122 Saudi princes order child slaves for certain specialties. European and US children are desirable as sex slaves. Bangladeshi child slaves are ideal for camel jockeys because of their diminutive stature.


There are many incidences of people being approached by escaping Saudi slaves within the United States. Rarely is there an occurrence of people being approached by a Saudi child sex slave outside the US trying to escape. The reason is that they are kept in seclusion within the palaces rarely to leave or be seen by anyone but the prince and his male friends. Recently, two German male students were on a tour boat going down the Nile. They were looking at the river bank as it passed by when all of a sudden a door opened nearby and a young girl ran out. She said she was an American and begged their help saying she had been kidnapped by this Saudi prince who was inside months before in the United States. She was hysterical but never mentioned her name in the brief encounter. Two men shortly appeared and spread their jackets showing shoulder holster guns in a threatening way. They then took the girl on either side and went back behind the door. Upon docking one student watched to see if the American girl left while the other called the US Embassy. After repeated referrals the German student explained what had happened to an Embassy officer but was told the Embassy could do nothing unless they knew the girls name. When the German student continually pleaded with the Embassy officer for help the official became angered and hung up. The American girl never was seen leaving the boat by the two German students.


Washington Report reports: "Hamad Alqahatani, a Kuwaiti student attending Northern Virginia Community College in Fairfax, VA has filed a $3 million lawsuit against George Washington University in Washington, DC on charges of discrimination. According to Alqahantani, when he attempted to transfer to GW last year, E. Donald Driver, then director of GW's Office of International Services, told him that he would be admitted if he paid a $10,000 bribe or if he had sex with one of Driver's male colleagues. In response to Alqahatani's bewilderment at the request, Driver allegedly responded that Arabs are known to be "rich and homosexual. --- American-Arab Anti-Descrimination Committee --- current chair said: 'The ordeal suffered by Mr Alqahatani is degrading and dehumanizing. Unfortunately, it demonstrates how stereotypes can serve as the basis for discriminatory action.'" M123 It is appalling that this young student is subjected to this behavior by an authority who could have suborned him if Mr Alqahatani was not strong enough to go public and use the laws available in the US to seek justice. Unfortunately, when a Saud family torture victim was institutionally raped by Saud family authorities he did not have such legal recourse available.

15 posted on 12/21/2001 10:46:54 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: wooly_mammoth
I think we are heading toward crunch time with the Saudis.
17 posted on 12/21/2001 10:58:29 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: wooly_mammoth
Where did you dig up that propaganda?
19 posted on 12/21/2001 11:03:51 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Travis McGee
I have nothing but contempt for the Saud family. Haven't read much about them but from what I've read it sounds like a whole clan of Caligulas running around, oppressing the general population and thinking they're gonna keep getting away with it. Their responsibility for 9/11 seems rather obvious. They consist of somewhere around 10,000 supported by 20-30,000 non-saudi mercs. The real GDP of the average saudi has dropped 10 fold over the last 15 years. And they're not cooperating with us. A few bribes ain't gonna cut it anymore. Things have radically changed since 9/11.
20 posted on 12/21/2001 11:20:18 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: Travis McGee
I think we are heading toward crunch time with the Saudis.

Crunch 'em, I have had misfortune to meet a few Saudi Royals, arrogant SOB's everyone.

Actually the members of the princes' posses are worst.

21 posted on 12/21/2001 11:23:14 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

It's propaganda but it's also probably 80-90% true.

22 posted on 12/21/2001 11:23:38 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: wooly_mammoth
You could drive most of them into the desert, then give control of mecca and medina to the Jordanians and it would suit me fine.
23 posted on 12/21/2001 11:24:03 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
I got no problem with feminism. I think it's fine. Don't care too much for the bull-dyke variety or Andrea Dworkin's kind but overall it's a good idea. If you look at my posts you'll notice that I also attack Sharon a lot. I'm not attacking Arabs in general. I'm attacking the Caligula-like Saud family dictatorship.
24 posted on 12/21/2001 11:30:35 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: Travis McGee
Yup, and it's a big desert.
25 posted on 12/21/2001 11:31:47 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: Travis McGee
Wasn't Idi Amin given sanctuary in Saudi Arabia?
26 posted on 12/21/2001 11:34:31 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
Although I cannot take your statement regarding the Saudi's as fact, even if true, it does not mean that the place of women in general in Saudi Arabia is something worse than the condition of women in the United States.

I see. And you claim to not be a Saud Lobbyist? You're full of crap.

27 posted on 12/21/2001 11:37:38 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: wooly_mammoth
Yes, and I think he is still there, poolside.

Perhaps he saves bored princelings the hassle of taking discarded sex slaves out into the desert.

You do recall Idi Amin Dada's "appetite"?

28 posted on 12/21/2001 11:42:59 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
" I'm just sick of the demonization of Arab peoples conducted by so many members of Free Republic..."

You've got to be kidding!
The Arabs have demonized themselves by their freaking murderous behavior and declarations of Jihad against everything in the world that is "non-Islamic"...

Think it through --- people are damned sick and tired of those arrogant bastards and their evil cultlike perspective on religion.

Semper Fi

30 posted on 12/22/2001 8:46:18 AM PST by river rat
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To: Travis McGee
There were rumors about him being a cannibal, right? Or was it something else? Kinda like Dahmer but in charge of a country from what I read.
31 posted on 12/22/2001 2:26:13 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: wooly_mammoth
Hell yes it was more than rumors! It was torture rooms with refrigerators for the "choice parts"! The rest fed the crocs in the rivers.
32 posted on 12/22/2001 4:14:49 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Really? That's disgusting. What parts did he favor? Brains, hearts, what else? Did he shrink heads? I remember going to the King Leupold Museum in Brussels numerous times a long time ago. Plenty of shrunken heads there. They were 3 or 4 inches in diameter but the hair was straight and around 12-16 inches long. Whole tribes devoted to cannibalism existed in the Congo until the early 80's. I'm sure there's a few remnants of it even today.
33 posted on 12/23/2001 1:13:20 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: wooly_mammoth
I think that depraved beastial cruelty lies latent an inch bleow the surface in much of Africa: consider the wave of "anti AIDS" infant raping in South Africa.
34 posted on 12/23/2001 1:33:16 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
You mean some of the rapes were commited upon infants in order to avoid getting aids?
35 posted on 12/23/2001 5:51:26 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: wooly_mammoth
Yes, exactly.

These primitives in pants truly belive in all kind of ju-ju magic nonsense, such as doing a virgin will cure one of AIDS.

Raping infants is seen as a sure way to get the "virgin cure".

36 posted on 12/23/2001 8:19:31 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I'm not surprised. In terms of AIDS, check out this site.
37 posted on 12/24/2001 9:19:38 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: Travis McGee
Merry Christmas!
38 posted on 12/24/2001 9:22:32 PM PST by nunya bidness
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