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CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER FAILURE CONTAINMENT TEAM SCHEME Fails in its 1st Effort
O'REILLY FACTOR, The New York Times | 12-22-01 | Mia T

Posted on 12/22/2001 4:39:54 AM PST by Mia T

2-21-01
 
CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme Fails in its 1st Effort
 
Bill O'Reilly Laughs Lanny Davis Off Stage
 
Calls "It's the economy, stupid" an Utter Absurdity Post-9/11
by Mia T

NEW YORK, Dec 21--Diehard clinton lackey, Lanny Davis tested the CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme in what the clintons likely regard their most difficult venue, "The O'Reilly Factor," The top-rated Fox News show demonstrated once again that its motto, "the no spin zone," is no spin.

The eponymous host swiftly stopped the spin (and the spin). O'Reilly debunked all the shameless clinton-directed revisionism spewed by Davis, exposing the absurdity of the CLINTON-WAS-AN-UTTER-FAILURE Containment Team Scheme even as he underscored clinton's immutable legacy of depravity and failure.

 



December 21, 2001

Clinton and Aides Lay Plans to Repair a Battered Image

By RICHARD L. BERKE

WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 -- Even after Bill Clinton was elected president, his campaigning never seemed to stop. In the White House, he was always keenly attentive to polls and political calculations and presided over what became known as a "permanent campaign."

Now, Mr. Clinton is trying to extend the permanent campaign even beyond his presidency.

Frustrated that his image has been battered since he left office, Mr. Clinton summoned several of his aides and advisers on Wednesday to devise ways to remind the public of his accomplishments and defend his legacy against criticism on matters including his role in the current recession and his failure to strike a fatal blow against Osama bin Laden or his terrorist network after the embassy bombings in East Africa in 1998.
Several participants at the meeting in Mr. Clinton's Harlem office said in interviews that they had agreed to compile a list of the Clinton administration's achievements that his supporters could have handy when defending the president. They hope to build a staff that will coordinate efforts to enlist former cabinet secretaries and other Clinton surrogates to appear on television talk shows and deliver speeches. And they are making plans to raise Mr. Clinton's profile on the lecture circuit, particularly before college audiences, which are most receptive.

Participants in the session said Mr. Clinton was concerned that Democratic leaders had not sufficiently spoken up for his administration, especially his centrist policies on health care, welfare, crime and education. As part of the campaign to refurbish his image, Mr. Clinton wants to play a central role in setting an issue agenda for the Democrats and for the party's aspiring Congressional and presidential candidates, his advisers said.

No modern president has ever mounted such an aggressive and organized drive to affect the agenda after leaving the White House.

"It's important that the president's legacy not be squandered because his own people remain silent and scattered," said Bill Richardson, Mr. Clinton's energy secretary, who like many others took part through a telephone hookup. "It's important that the Democratic Party not turn away from Clinton's centrist legacy that brought us economic prosperity."

Several participants said they did not want to discuss the meeting out of respect for Mr. Clinton's privacy. Others also acknowledged that they were worried that Mr. Clinton could be portrayed as preoccupied with his reputation and not conducting himself appropriately for a former president.

"I feel very uncomfortable talking about these meetings," said Sandy Berger, Mr. Clinton's former national security adviser.

"As far as I'm concerned, it was a private meeting, so I'm not going to say anything," said Al From, the executive director of the Democratic Leadership Council.

Others, insisting they had nothing to hide, were not so reluctant.

Rodney Slater, Mr. Clinton's transportation secretary, said an impetus for the meeting was to make sure that the former president's policies were still in the public discourse.

"As much as anything, it was to recognize that we were part of something special," Mr. Slater said, "that there were still opportunities out there for us to express opinions about things and professional judgments."

Douglas Sosnik, who was Mr. Clinton's political director and later one of his most senior aides, put it this way: "Under President Clinton's leadership, we accomplished a remarkable amount in the last eight years, and his friends feel we should be doing a better job of getting that out proactively. Since he left office, we've spent too much time on the defensive, reacting to stories."

Gene Sperling, who was Mr. Clinton's top economic aide, said, "Most of the conversation was really about what kind of things he should be doing with his time, what his long- term service contributions should be."

Julia Payne, Mr. Clinton's spokeswoman, said she would have no comment about "a private meeting."

While Mr. Clinton had held meetings with advisers before, participants described this one as having a special urgency.

Mr. Clinton dominated the session, which lasted nearly two hours, participants said. They said he was careful not to criticize President Bush. And they said that while he expressed concern that he was being blamed for not catching Osama bin Laden, most of the discussion was about how to raise his profile and press his case on domestic matters.

Even during his presidency, Mr. Clinton was deeply interested in how he would be perceived by history. Now, the efforts to deploy surrogates to speak out for him are reminiscent of his vaunted war rooms in the White House, which were established for him to seize the political offensive on matters that included Whitewater and health care.

"He basically said our legacy is being pummeled and we have to find ways to revive it," said one participant, who described it as if it were a meeting of the top lieutenants of a political campaign. "We concluded that the Clinton hard core were not on message, and we had to develop a center of gravity. We have to remind people of what we did on the economy, what we did with the crime bill, what we did with terrorism." He added, "They're trying to pin the bin Laden thing on us."

Participants said that while some nice things were said about the Democratic leaders in Congress, Senator Tom Daschle and Representative Richard A. Gephardt, there was a view that they would only do so much to press the Clinton agenda. "The view was that House and Senate Democrats were too preoccupied with their own re-elections and their own deals," one participant said.

Other participants included Maggie Williams, Mr. Clinton's current chief of staff; John D. Podesta, Mr. Clinton's former chief of staff; Bruce Lindsey, Mr. Clinton confidant; Eli J. Segal, the former head of Mr. Clinton's national service organization; Steve Richetti, who was a deputy chief of staff; Maria Echavesta, a former deputy chief of staff; and Cheryl Mills, a deputy White House counsel. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York did not take part, nor did former Vice President Al Gore or any of his advisers.

Mr. Clinton's advisers said part of the discussion was over how active the former president should be in stumping for Democratic candidates next year. They said they had not reached a determination.

"He does not want to appear to be upstaging Bush," said one participant. "But the alternative to that is to continue to see his legacy vanish. Clinton said he was getting more of a positive response about his legacy with younger people."

Mr. Richardson, for one, said it was appropriate for Mr. Clinton to have a more public role.

"I'm pleased that the president will be more active in ensuring his legacy," he said.


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The Placebo President (aided and abetted by the media myrmidons of the left) strikes again...
by Mia T
 
What is most interesting about clinton's revisionist leaks is that the impeached ex-president has decided that incompetency is a preferable legacy to idiocy or a sui generis narcissistic sedition.

The Covert Hunt for bin Laden
Broad Effort Launched After '98 Attacks

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 19, 2001; Page A01

 

First of two articles

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TO BE CONTINUED...

compulsive clinton CYA-ing CONTINUES
(so does 4th-estate malfeasance)
Q ERTY6 REALITY CHECK!
 
 
 
hillary's head revisited:
hillary clinton's brain (such as it is) II
 by Mia T

The smartest woman in the world would relish "the raucous give and take of American democracy, " as Charles Kuralt once put it.

hillary clinton, by contrast, subsists on cozy clintonoid interviews of the Colmes kind...

In her new book, Political Fictions, Joan Didion indicts the fakery of access journalism practiced by vacant politicos like the clintons, whom she sees as "purveyors of fables of their own making, or worse, fables conceived by political strategists with designs on votes, not news."

(More Didion: "No one who ever passed through an American public high school could have watched William Jefferson Clinton running for office in 1992 and failed to recognize the familiar predatory sexuality of the provincial adolescent.")

 
 
Just look around this chamber. We have members from virtually every racial, ethnic, and religious background. And America is stronger for it. But as we have seen, these differences all too often spark hatred and division, even here at home. . . This is not the American way. We must draw the line. Without delay, we must pass the Hate Crimes Prevention Act and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. And we should reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act.

bill clinton, State of Union Speech, January 27, 2000

"I'm sorry, but the president is one of the crudest men I have ever encountered in government service," says one female agent. "He has no respect for women."

Among the comments clinton made in presence of Secret Service agents:

. Frequent speculation on the oral sex skills of women
the president saw or met in receiving lines;

. References to the size of a woman's breasts, legs or figure;

. Sexual jokes.

After the Monica Lewinsky story broke, however, clinton toned down his rhetoric and behavior in front of his Secret Service agents, but those who guarded the president say enough of them saw and heard things which could be damaging to clinton.

"It depends on who Ken Starr calls," says one ex-agent. "The people who are on the job today are not necessarily the ones who know the most."

Turnover In clinton's Secret Service Detail 'Highest That Anyone Can Remember'

In the months that follow, reporters drop the issue. Feminists say little or nothing. Rape crisis center workers acknowledge that Broaddrick's case, including her reluctance to come forward, is typical of victims of sexual assault. But they decline to speak against clinton. Some cite the federal funding they receive as a result of the Violence Against Women Act, which was signed into law by clinton.

Why does the press continue to ignore the Juanita Broaddrick story?

 
 
The Placebo President:
How a Rapist can be a Policy Feminist
 
placebo effect n.
A beneficial effect in a patient following a particular treatment
that arises from the patient's expectations concerning
the treatment rather than from the treatment itself.
 
Every woman adores a Fascist,
The boot in the face, the brute
Brute heart of a brute like you.
----Sylvia Plath
 
The placebo effect immediately came to mind
as I listened to Shelby Steele,
a research fellow at the Hoover Institution,
debunk the following pernicious spin intended to save clinton.
To wit:
A proven felon and utter reprobate can remain president;
clinton can be a failed human being but a good president.
 
The error in these statements arises, says Steele,
from the belief that
virtuousness is separate from personal responsibility
so that one's virtuousness as an individual is determined by
one's political positions on issues rather than on
whether or not in one's personal life there is a
consistency and a responsibility.
 
Steele's contention is that this compartmentalization,
rather than being the amazing advantage
the clintons would have us believe,
in fact, spills toxicity into, corrupts, the culture.
 
If mere identification with good policies is what makes one virtuous
then those policies become, what Steele calls, iconographic,
that is to say they just represent virtuousness.
They don't necessarily do virtuous things.
 
If clinton's semantic parsing strips meaning from our words,
clinton's iconographic policies strip meaning from our society,
systematically deconstructing our society as a democracy. . .
 
I would take Shelby Steele's thesis one step further.
I maintain that iconographic policy functions like a placebo,
producing a real, physiological and social effects.
 
The placebo effect is, after all, the brain's triumph over reality.
Expectation alone can produce powerful physiological results.
The placebo effect was, at one time, an evolutionary advantage:
act now, think later
 
bill clinton is the paradigmatic Placebo President.
Placebo is Latin for "I shall please."
And please he does
doling out sham treatments, iconographs, with abandon.
To please, to placate, to numb, to deflect.
Ultimately to showcase his imagined virtue.
Or to confute his genuine vice.
 
clinton will dispense sugar pills (or bombs)
at the drop of a high-heeled shoe...
or at the hint of high treason...
 
clinton's charlatanry mimics that of primitive medicine.
Through the 1940s, doctors had little effective medicine to offer
so they deliberately attempted to induce the placebo response.
 
The efficaciousness of today's medicines
does not diminish the power of the placebo.
A recent review of placebo-controlled studies
found that placebos and genuine treatments
are often equally effective.
If you expect to get better, you will.
 
Which brings me back to the original question:
Can clinton be a failed human being but a good president?
 
Clearly he cannot.
These two propositions are mutually exclusive.
clinton's fundamental failure is a complete lack of integrity.
He has violated his covenant with the American people.
 
Because clinton has destroyed his moral authority as a leader,
he can no longer function even as a quack;
the placebo effect is gone.
And so the Placebo President must now go, too.
 
 

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize

 

 

Bill Clinton may not be the worst president America has had, but surely he is the worst person to be president.

---GEORGE WILL, Sleaze, the sequel

 

Had George Will written Sleaze, the sequel (the "sequel" is, of course, hillary) after 9-11-01, I suspect that he would have had to forgo the above conceit, as the doubt expressed in the setup phrase was, from that day forward, no longer operational.

Indeed, assessing the clinton presidency an abject failure is not inconsistent with commentary coming from the left, most recently the LA Times: "Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize."

When the clintons left office, I predicted that the country would eventually learn--sadly, the hard way--that this depraved, self-absorbed and inept pair had placed America (and the world) in mortal danger. But I was thinking years, not months.

It is very significant that hillary clinton didn't deny clinton culpability for the terrorism. (Meet the Press, 12-09-01), notwithstanding tired tactics (if you can't pass the buck, spread the blame) and chronic self-exclusion. ("I knew nuttin'.")

If leftist pandering keeps the disenfranchized down in perpetuity, clinton pandering,("it's the economy, stupid"), kept the middle and upper classes wilfully ignorant for eight years.

And ironically, both results (leftist social policy and the clinton economy) are equally illusory, fraudulent. It is becoming increasingly clear that clinton assiduously avoided essential actions that would have negatively impacted the economy--the ultimate source of his continued power--actions like, say, going after the terrorists.

It is critically important that hillary clinton fail in her grasp for power; read Peggy Noonan's little book, 'The Case Against Hillary Clinton' and Barbara Olson's two books; it is critical that the West de-clintonize, but that will be automatic once it is understood that the clintons risked civilization itself in order to gain and retain power.

It shouldn't take books, however, to see that a leader is a dangerous, self-absorbed sicko. People should be able to figure that out for themselves. The electorate must be taught to think, to reason. It must be able to spot spin, especially in this age of the electronic demagogue.

I am not hopeful. As Bertrand Russell noted, "Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. "

Mia T, hillary clinton blames hubby for terrorism

(SHE knew nuttin')

Meet the Press, 12-09-01

 

 

A Fish Rots from the Head

Investor's Business Daily

 
 
Ijaz, an admitted Clinton supporter who helped negotiate these opportunities to nab bin Laden, said, "The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening."
 
Ijaz says that three months before bin Laden's men blew up the USS Cole in Yemen, he "brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings(in Tanzania and Kenya)... But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer."
 
Clinton's apparent boredom with vital information extended beyond Sudanese intelligence officers to his own intelligence officers. His first CIA director, James Woolsey, couldn't get a meeting with Clinton in the two years he served. Woolsey left the Clinton administration disgusted with
its slovenly approach to national security. ...
 
To hear Clinton now say "We must do more to reduce the pool of potential
terrorists" is thus beyond farce. He had numerous opportunities to reduce
that pool, and he blew it.
 
The pool, in fact, grew larger on Clinton's watch, as he spent his final days giving pardons to drug dealers, Puerto Rican terrorists and Marc Rich, a fugitive who topped America's most-wanted list.
 

In this light, Clinton's order to the CIA that it not use "unsavory characters" to collect information pushes irony to its outer limits.


12-20-01
YOO-HOO Washington Post / Barton Gellman
 
Delta Force pilot:
Bin Laden was "in our crosshairs" 3 times during Clinton years, but couldn't get kill order from higher up.

From the article...

Three times after Aug. 20, 1998, when Clinton ordered the only missile strike of his presidency against bin Laden's organization, the CIA came close enough to pinpointing bin Laden that Clinton authorized final preparations to launch. In each case, doubts about the intelligence aborted the mission...

More than once, advisers recall, Clinton sounded out Gen. Henry H. Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about the prospect of using Special Forces to surprise bin Laden's fighters on the ground. But Clinton declined to authorize the large-scale operation that Shelton said would be required, and he chose not to order a less ambitious option to which the general would have objected.


Amid all of the spin there are germs of truth...

I've been sitting on some info under the "loose lips" principle, but this article makes that no longer necessary. An Academy buddy of my cousin, himself a former Air Force pilot, is a Delta Force pilot. According to him, we had bin Laden "in our crosshairs" three times during the Clinton years, but couldn't get the kill order from higher up. His conclusion from the field was the reason for this failure was nothing more than a lack of the political will to get the job done.

Which leads, yet again, to the obvious question:

Would the attacks of 9/11 have happened, had President Clinton been up to the job with which he was entrusted?

7 posted on 12/18/01 10:12 PM Pacific by Sabertooth


I can't imagine that they would have happened if Clinton had done the job. 9/11 was the culmination of a series of increasingly brazen attacks on our interests, going all the way back to the original WTC bombing. As each attack happened, we were being watched by our enemies. They listened to what we said, but they really paid attention to what we did. And they eventually drew the conclusion that we were too weak and too soft to hit them back.

It's painfully clear now that we didn't do nearly enough. Clinton didn't have the intestinal fortitude to do what Bush is doing now. Why? There are probably a lot of reasons: his 60's mentality and its accompanying disdain for the military; his addiction to polls; his preoccupation with crushing his enemies; his pursuit of personal pleasure; or his lack of interest in foreign policy. But I think the biggest reason of all is this: Bill Clinton, at his most basic level, is a weak, soft man, afraid to put his precious self at risk, more given to talk than to action. He was weak and soft at a time when he needed to be strong and resolute, and 9/11 was the result. He deserves nothing but contempt.

Gee, I guess character does matter, after all.

53 posted on 12/19/01 10:23 PM Pacific by Rainbow Rising

Q ERTY3 BUMP! 
 
Delta Force pilot: [W]e had bin Laden "in our crosshairs" three times during the Clinton years, but couldn't get the kill order from higher up.--Sabertooth
 
Bill Clinton, at his most basic level, is a weak, soft man, afraid to put his precious self at risk--Rainbow Rising
COWARD
by Mia T

clinton is the quintessential coward. He is especially cowardly about acts physical, notwithstanding (or, more accurately, underscored by) an apparent facility in committing rapes, predations and willful, premeditated, opportunistic killings (e.g., the Sudan bombing, the Ricky Ray Rector execution). . .

clinton cowardice knows no geographic bounds. We saw clinton cowardice in the Balkans...

 

We saw clinton cowardice in Africa...

 
It was caught on videotape there. Remember? Remember the fear, the abject hatred on clinton's Mr.-Hyde-transmogrified face? (His real face!) Remember the angry screams directed to the (in fact pro-clinton) black crowd as they came too close to his podium?

I suspect clinton cowardice accounted for the cancellation of his trip to Greece, its streets teeming with anti-clinton demonstrators. (The Greeks, you may recall, were trying clinton in effigy for his wag-the-dog, desperately-seeking-a-legacy mass murders in the Balkans.)

The world has clinton figured out: He is small, a greasy character, a degenerate, a predatory adolescent, a backwoods buffoon, a delusional if opportunistic narcissist. (Let us not forget that he was Nobel-Peace-Prize lobbying (read "hiring $100G-a-pop PR even as he imperiled Israel and empowered the terrorists").

While it is debatable whether clinton is most defined by his depravity, his narcissism or his cowardice, that he is in fact a coward is not open to question. If he won't go to Greece, with all the protections of the presidency, where will he go when we are finally rid of him? (Will we ever be finally rid of him?)

(That the backwoods, backroom duo thought they could spin the world as they did Arkansas is a measure of their stupidity. They are too arrogant and dim-witted to understand that the demagogic process in this fiber-optic age isn't about counting spun heads; it's about not discounting circumambient brains.)

Poetic justice in the end: clinton--both clintons, in fact--will be prisoners, both Cartesian and Freudian, of their own depravity, imprisioned in the hermetic confines of an evil, narcissistic life. Their world will finally and fittingly become as small as they, themselves, are.

Also:

The Left is redolent with the peculiar stench of sinking-ship-jumping 'Rats


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1 posted on 12/22/2001 4:39:55 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
some interesting stuff. But just a quick rhetorical question here:

What if everybody on FR posted the way you do, with massive text and slow loading HTML? We'd be dead in the water.

2 posted on 12/22/2001 4:48:52 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Did you ask Clinton(spit) "Bill, what if every penisident...?" Don't fart in church. We have deacons to do that.

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

4 posted on 12/22/2001 4:55:21 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: Mia T
BTTT
5 posted on 12/22/2001 4:55:37 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Perhaps Santa will bring you a 21st century processor

Have you been good ..... or have you been picking on Mia's artful body of work?

He knows who's been naughty and who's been nice

Merry Christmas

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6 posted on 12/22/2001 4:56:16 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Mia T
December 19, 1998: first elected president impeached for subverting the administration of justice.

December 19, 2001: The " dangerous, self-absorbed sicko... a delusional if opportunistic narcissist... " meets with his aides to devise ways to enhance his influence in politics.

Not one article mentioned the timing of the meeting.

Nice summary BTW!

7 posted on 12/22/2001 4:59:18 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Elle Bee
:-) aw c'mon, you know what I was trying to get at.
8 posted on 12/22/2001 5:00:55 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Mia T
Two of my favorites about Slick Willie.

IT JUST WON'T BILL!

BILLS CONTRIBUTION TO USA

9 posted on 12/22/2001 5:00:58 AM PST by stlrocket
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LOL
10 posted on 12/22/2001 5:01:44 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: mrsmith
Excellent point, and terrific memory! Bump.
11 posted on 12/22/2001 5:02:43 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Mia T
They will defend Bill no matter what he does or who he has killed.
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To: Mia T
. "We concluded that the Clinton hard core were not on message, and we had to develop a center of gravity. We have to remind people of what we did on the economy, what we did with the crime bill, what we did with terrorism."

No we don't have to be reminded, we are WELL AWARE of what Clinton 'did'.

15 posted on 12/22/2001 5:11:39 AM PST by RobFromGa
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To: skull stomper
If you're referring to "size" as represented in your browser then you're misguided.

If you're referring to Mia T's work then, too, you're misguided.

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

16 posted on 12/22/2001 5:13:47 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: Mia T
Clinton Contaiment Team

A far better "Clinton Contaiment" tactic, would have been if Mr. Blyth had worn a condom, while romancing the sleaze's mother.

17 posted on 12/22/2001 5:17:25 AM PST by bulldog905
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To: mrsmith
December 19, 1998: first elected president impeached for subverting the administration of justice.

December 19, 2001: The " dangerous, self-absorbed sicko... a delusional if opportunistic narcissist... " meets with his aides to devise ways to enhance his influence in politics.

Not one article mentioned the timing of the meeting...

7 posted on 12/22/01 5:59 AM Pacific by mrsmith

Q ERTY1 BUMP!
It's called SIN-chronicity... ;)

 
 
 
Well, with the help of the 100 corrupt and cowardly cullions, clinton
walked. The senators' justification for their acquittal votes requires
the suspension of rational thought (and, in the curious case of Arlen
Specter, national jurisdiction).
--Musings: Senatorial Courtesy Perverted, Mia T
 

THE OTHER NIXON

by Mia T
 
 
Hypocrisy abounds in this Age of clinton, a Postmodern Oz rife with constitutional deconstruction and semantic subversion, a virtual surreality polymarked by presidential alleles peccantly misplaced or, in the case of Jefferson, posthumously misappropriated.
 
Shameless pharisees in stark relief crowd the Capitol frieze:
 
Baucus, Biden, Bingaman, Breaux, Bryan, Byrd, Cohen, Conrad, Daschle, Dodd, Gore, Graham, Harkin, Hollings, Inouye, Kennedy, Kerrey, Kerry, Kohl, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Mikulski, Moynihan, Reid, Robb, Rockefeller, Sarbanes, Schumer.
 
These are the 28 sitting Democratic senators, the current Vice President and Secretary of Defense -- clinton defenders all -- who, in 1989, voted to oust U.S. District Judge Walter Nixon for making "false or misleading statements to a grand jury."
 
In 1989 each and every one of these men insisted that perjury was an impeachable offense.
(What a difference a decade and a decadent Democrat make.)
 
Senator Herb Kohl (November 7, 1989):
"But Judge Nixon took an oath to tell the truth and the whole truth. As a grand jury witness, it was not for him to decide what would be material. That was for the grand jury to decide. Of all people, Federal Judge Walter Nixon certainly knew this.
 
"So I am going to vote 'guilty' on articles one and two. Judge Nixon lied to the grand jury. He misled the grand jury. These acts are indisputably criminal and warrant impeachment."
 
 
Senator Tom Daschle (November 3, 1989):
"This morning we impeached a judge from Mississippi for failing to tell the truth. Those decisions are always very difficult and certainly, in this case, it came after a great deal of concern and thoughtful analysis of the facts."
 
 
Congressman Charles Schumer (May 10, 1989):  
"Perjury, of course, is a very difficult, difficult thing to decide; but as we looked and examined all of the records and in fact found many things that were not in the record it became very clear to us that this impeachment was meritorious."
 
 
Senator Carl Levin (November 3, 1989):
"The record amply supports the finding in the criminal trial that Judge Nixon's statements to the grand jury were false and misleading and constituted perjury. Those are the statements cited in articles I and II, and it is on those articles that I vote to convict Judge Nixon and remove him from office."
 
* * * * *
 
"The hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself," observed the philosopher Hannah Arendt. "What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core."
 
If hypocrisy is the vice of vices, then perjury is the crime of crimes, for
perjury provides the necessary cover for all other crimes.
 
David Lowenthal, professor emeritus of political science at Boston College makes the novel and compelling argument that perjury is "bribery consummate, using false words instead of money or other things of value to pervert the course of justice" and, thus, perjury is a constitutionally enumerated high crime.
 
The Democrats' defense of clinton's perjury -- and their own hypocrisy -- is
three-pronged.
 
ONE:
clinton's perjuries were "just about sex" and therefore "do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense."
 
This argument is spurious. The courts make no distinction between perjuries. Perjury is perjury. Perjury attacks the very essence of democracy. Perjury is bribery consummate.
 
Moreover, (the clinton spinners notwithstanding), clinton's perjury was not "just about sex." clinton's perjury was about clinton denying a citizen justice by lying in a civil rights-sexual harassment case about his sexual history with subordinates.
 
TWO:
Presidents and judges are held to different standards under the Constitution.
 
Because the Constitution stipulates that federal judges, who are appointed for life, "shall hold their offices during good behavior,'' and because there is no similar language concerning the popularly elected, term-limited president, it must have been perfectly agreeable to the Framers, so the (implicit) argument goes, to have a perjurious, justice-obstructing reprobate as president.
 
clinton's defenders ignore Federalist No. 57, and Hillary Rodham's constitutional treatise on impeachable acts -- written in 1974 when she wanted to impeach a president; both mention "bad conduct" as grounds for impeachment.
 
"Impeachment," wrote Rodham, "did not have to be for criminal offenses -- but only for a 'course of conduct' that suggested an abuse of power or a disregard for the office of the President of the United States...A person's 'course of conduct' while not particularly criminal could be of such a nature that it destroys trust, discourages allegiance, and demands action by the Congress...The office of the President is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than the average citizen in the United States."
 
Hamilton (or Madison) discussed the importance of wisdom and virtue in Federalist 57. "The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust."
 
(Contrast this with clinton, who recklessly, reflexively and feloniously subordinates the common good to his personal appetites.)
 
Because the Framers did not anticipate the demagogic efficiency of the electronic bully pulpit, they ruled out the possibility of an MTV mis-leader (and impeachment-thwarter!) like clinton. In Federalist No. 64, John Jay said: "There is reason to presume" the president would fall only to those "who have become the most distinguished by their abilities and virtue." He
imagined that the electorate would not "be deceived by those brilliant appearances of genius and patriotism which, like transient meteors, sometimes mislead as well as dazzle."
 
(If the clinton debacle teaches us anything, it is this: If we are to retain our democracy in this age of the electronic demagogue, we must recalibrate the constitutional balance of power.)
 
THREE:
The president can be prosecuted for his alleged felonies after he leaves office.
(Nota bene ROBERT RAY.)
 
This clinton-created censure contrivance -- borne out of what I have come to call the "Lieberman Paradigm" (clinton is an unfit president; therefore clinton must remain president) -- is nothing less than a postmodern deconstruction in which the Oval Office would serve for two years as a holding cell for the perjurer-obstructor.
 
Such indecorous, dual-purpose architectonics not only threatens the delicate
constitutional framework -- it disturbs the cultural aesthetic. The senators must, therefore, roundly reject this elliptic scheme.

In this postmodern Age of clinton, we may, from time to time, selectively stomach corruption. But we must never abide ugliness. Never.

 
 
 

18 posted on 12/22/2001 5:18:41 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Slow loading ... 98% rant, 2% substance!
19 posted on 12/22/2001 5:19:33 AM PST by lawdude
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To: AmericanInTokyo, Mia T
What if everybody on FR posted the way you do, with massive text and slow loading HTML? We'd be dead in the water.

If everybody tried to sing like Caruso all the time, all we'd hear was dissonant cacophony. When a maestro sings it behooves us lesser mortals to be quiet and listen!

20 posted on 12/22/2001 5:19:43 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Wouldn't work for everyone to post as Mia T cause there is only ONE Mia T---who can do his thing. I for one love it.
21 posted on 12/22/2001 5:19:55 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: Mia T
He seems to be awfully concerned about what other people remember about what he did considering he can't seem to remember diddly squat himself.
22 posted on 12/22/2001 5:24:39 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Mia T
I have to agree with American in Toyko. It's just too much of the same thing EVERY time. Your stuff is good in small doses, so why do you have to repeat the same thing ALL of the time?
23 posted on 12/22/2001 5:28:32 AM PST by Ann Archy
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To: Gail Wynand; looscannon; Lonesome in Massachussets; river rat; Freedom'sWorthIt; IVote2; Slyfox...
Q ERTY6 ping!
24 posted on 12/22/2001 5:29:42 AM PST by Mia T
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To: mrsmith
December 19, 1998: first elected president impeached for subverting the administration of justice.

December 19, 2001: The " dangerous, self-absorbed sicko... a delusional if opportunistic narcissist... " meets with his aides to devise ways to enhance his influence in politics.

Wow, all I can say is ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Three years to the day?

Not one article mentioned the timing of the meeting.

It had slipped my mind, obviously. Maybe it slipped theirs as well, I don't think they would want ANY reminders of or associations with impeachment. But somebody should have noticed that.

25 posted on 12/22/2001 5:30:44 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Mia T
Merry Christmas, Mia T, and I appreciate your efforts to remind Americans how they were duped, deceived, lulled, and gulled by the most fraudulent administration in history...

The clintons, and all their enablers need to be hectored, hounded, and harried into silence,

-"until clintonese is spoken only in Hell!"--

26 posted on 12/22/2001 5:40:07 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Mia T
I knew you would be on this latest Clinton outrage.....and I LOVE your title! I missed the O'Reilly tromping of Lanny Davis into the dust - so very glad to hear your report!

As bad as it is for the traitor to be tarred as culpable for September 11th, I do not believe for once second that this was the reason for this "meeting."

Or maybe it was.

Maybe Bubba has gone into one of his famous rages - or maybe the Queen has hit him with another ash tray because HIS legacy is hurting HER chances at the big prize and HE has been instructed in no uncertain terms to take care of this problem which is, by the way, purely a "marketing" problem. (Hillary believes the answer to everything is "marketing" - in other words - dress up your lies artfully by spending multiplied millions on great ads and have Harry and Linda Bloodworth Thomason produce them - and you can get away with anything!)

But, I believe these people gathered to form the nexus for Hillary's run for the Presidency - which has already begun.

I want to know:

WHO IS PAYING THESE PEOPLE TO DO THIS??? THEY DON'T WORK FOR FREE! THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR FREE! If the DNC is funding these people - how is that legal???? And are they funding them with left over Chicom cash or is it new terrorist money coming in that is funding them???? Or are we the slob taxpayer serfs paying for them all????

Please, Bush justice dept, track this down!

And one other reason for gathering this crew together - perhaps - to REMIND them forcefully that they had all better keep their yappers zipped shut about the crimes they all no doubt have insider knowledge about......for the legacy, you know. Wonder if Betty Currie was there???

27 posted on 12/22/2001 5:47:08 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Mia T
And they said that while he expressed concern that he was being blamed for not catching Osama bin Laden, most of the discussion was about how to raise his profile and press his case on domestic matters.

I remember Rush saying ,at the beginning of the col. klink adminstration, that foreign policy would be klink's downfall. Late in coming, but it is coming.

"It's important that the president's legacy not be squandered because his own people remain silent and scattered,"

Are these people still on his (read OUR) payroll?

Others also acknowledged that they were worried that Mr. Clinton could be portrayed as preoccupied with his reputation and not conducting himself appropriately for a former president.

DUH !!

Mr. Clinton's advisers said part of the discussion was over how active the former president should be in stumping for Democratic candidates next year.

This statement tells it all. If he was popular they would be begging him to stump . The candidates have concluded he is baggage.

He is a legend only in his own mind.

28 posted on 12/22/2001 5:48:56 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Mia T
Thanks for the post, Mia T! Clinton didn't want to do anything about the anti-Americanism of the Islamic fundamentalist zealots because he was infected himself. clinton was always a part of the blame America crowd. I'm just surprised that clinton didn't make ramsey clark, the US Attorney General. After all, clinton hates America every bit as much as little ramsey does.
30 posted on 12/22/2001 5:54:37 AM PST by AdvisorB
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To: lawdude; Mia T
Mia - pay no attention to the new kids who will not understand your infrequent works of art. This effort to remake Billybob must be exposed so that all will see that in his mind...it's still about him.

For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. Ps. 1:6

31 posted on 12/22/2001 5:56:21 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Elle Bee
AmericaninTokyo has a valid point. Mia's efforts are way too long, and we have all seen then 100 times. I for one, don't read 90% of what she sends because I've seen it before and I don't wish to wade through reams of old stuff to find one small change (if there is any)

I appreciate her good work but I wish she would stop repeating it, it becomes boorish after a while.

32 posted on 12/22/2001 5:59:49 AM PST by Wil H
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Wonder if Betty Currie was there

Apparently she wasn't, according to other reports.

We have another gross incompetent waiting in the wings. Another 'pretty boy' the dems are going to WOW the soccer moms with. Someone with even less foreign policy experience and no domestic experience either. A man that would be even worse than col. klink, illegal stuff aside. None other than

Sen. John Edwards

Merry Christmas to you and Mr. Freedom

33 posted on 12/22/2001 6:01:52 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: anniegetyourgun
Thanx, annie. I suppose people come to Free Republic for different reasons...Mine is primarily to help get the word to the uninformed...
34 posted on 12/22/2001 6:10:00 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Thanks, Mia T. For lack of time, I find myself skipping over large parts of your lengthy posts. The 'links' are the better approach, IMHO. Not a big deal with me, just a comment. Love your work and appreciate your efforts. As I don't know the holiday greeting you prefer, I will convey my good wishes by the greeting I prefer. Merry Christmas.

"Several participants at the meeting in Mr. Clinton's Harlem office said in interviews that they had agreed to compile a list of the Clinton administration's achievements that his supporters could have handy when defending the president."

The Clinton Achievement---

Perpetuation of 'THE BIG LIE' for another 8 years beyond the Arkansas governor's mansion.

The Clinton Goal---

Perpetuation of 'THE BIG LIE' through Hillary for another 8 years of Marxist/socialist liberalism to essentially end the 'Greatest Nation on God's green earth'.

Bring back the 'American democrats', but not the socialist/communist masqueraders of same.

35 posted on 12/22/2001 6:19:55 AM PST by d14truth
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To: Mia T
"The hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself," observed the philosopher Hannah Arendt. "What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core."

The greatest 'crime' is that of DECEIVER--causing others to stumble. "'Tis bad enough to disobey; 'tis far worse to disobey and then lie about it"---Adam

36 posted on 12/22/2001 6:28:15 AM PST by d14truth
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To: Mia T
"Mr. Richardson, for one, said it was appropriate for Mr. Clinton to have a more public role."

"I'm pleased that the president will be more active in ensuring his legacy," he said."

Translation = BIMBO ALERT!!!

37 posted on 12/22/2001 6:32:19 AM PST by d14truth
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To: Vinnie
Hi, Vinnie! Thank you for the Christmas wishes! Mr. Freedom will be very very glad when this Season is over and he can rest! :-)

Same good wishes to you and your family!

(Yes, Johnboy Edwards thinks HE is going to be the nominee in 2004 - and, yes, he is Clinton II. The only good side to Johnboy is there is not a Hitlery in his home to be a co-President......other than that, you are correct, another corruption king on the make!)

38 posted on 12/22/2001 6:32:27 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: skull stomper
SS, quite likely I've been vasectomized for longer than you've been alive. I have long since stopped measuring anything by so evanescent a yardstick as my turgid member. I am pleased that you visited my profile page before retorting. In a few years you may mature enought to justify your demand for attention.

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

39 posted on 12/22/2001 6:40:16 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt;Vinnie
On John Edwards

Politician, lawyer, LIAR???? 'We report, you decide.'

SLICK II, IMHO.

40 posted on 12/22/2001 6:48:39 AM PST by d14truth
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To: hellinahandcart
If anyone wants to reminisce, I posted a thread of some links to the old threads on Wednesday:
Impeachment Anniversary

LOL! I wish I'd posted it in "Breaking News"!

Next year: "Impeachment Week"- celebrated all week long.

'"If you believe for a single second that this president isn't damaged and hurt by this (impeachment trial) you're deluding yourself," said Democratic Senator Christopher Dodd on ABC television Sunday.
"Impeachment is there forever," said respected Democratic Senator Robert Byrd. "It's there for all of history." '

41 posted on 12/22/2001 6:50:50 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Elle Bee
Well said.

BTTT

42 posted on 12/22/2001 6:53:53 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: d14truth
Of course Edwards is Slick II. Even slicker.

The very idea that Edwards would talk about bringing civility back into the legal/political system!!!!!!

Tell that to Dasshole and Gepnoheart and, most of all, tell it to roll her eyes - anti-American pouting Queen Hitlery and all her minions who have not stopped saying Bush is an illegitimate President!

43 posted on 12/22/2001 6:54:40 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Your endorsement of vasectomy to solve Clinton's mental deficiencies misses the severity of the problem. Castration is the only answer. In cowboy country, the castrators maintain that they are more akin to phsychiatrists than doctors. They are changing their victim's minds from ass to grass.
44 posted on 12/22/2001 6:57:20 AM PST by meenie
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To: meenie
Very good! THAT cuppa coffee had to be replaced. Thankfully it missed the keyboard. Merry Christmas to you!

The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

45 posted on 12/22/2001 7:00:10 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: Mia T
What an idiot Slick Willie is.
46 posted on 12/22/2001 7:05:09 AM PST by Leper Messiah
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To: Mia T
Will they please just lock Klintoon and Mrs. Klintoon and their buddies up now and throw away the key?
47 posted on 12/22/2001 7:15:07 AM PST by freekitty
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To: Mia T
<< "It's important that the president's legacy not be squandered because his own people remain silent and scattered," said Bill Richardson" >>

Er...ah...Bill? Excuse me, but about Clintons legacy?.....

Don't look now, but he squandered it on Monica Lewinsky's dress....

P/S...How are the Chicoms treating you?

48 posted on 12/22/2001 7:20:24 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: d14truth
Bill Clinton's "legacy" is in a big black plastic bag slouched on the curb waiting for the truck to come and take it where it belongs. Meanwhile, Billy Bubba is desperately searching under his bed for his other house shoe so he can run out and fetch the wretched bagged up mess before even that is gone forever.

Good luck, Bubba, which ever way it goes down, you'll never be more than a short footnote in a highschool freshman's term paper.
49 posted on 12/22/2001 7:20:38 AM PST by 1John
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To: Mia T
From LA Times by Mr. MANSOOR IJAZ:
"Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history."

Let's not forget how much the Dems moaned and complained about Bush's lack of foreign policy experience and whether he was up for the job, while their HERO commits "one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history."

50 posted on 12/22/2001 7:21:48 AM PST by Alissa
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