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Dying boy, 15, gets wish: losing virginity
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 12/23/01 | BY BENJAMIN ERRETT

Posted on 12/23/2001 6:26:24 AM PST by Mopp4

A terminally ill boy had his dying wish granted in Australia this month, but ethicists are still at odds over whether it was the right thing to do.
The wish was not for a trip to Disneyland or to meet a famous sports star. Instead, the 15-year-old wanted to lose his virginity before he died of cancer. The boy, who remains anonymous but was called Jack by the Australian media, did not want his parents to know about his request. Because of his many years spent in the hospital, he had no girlfriend or female friends.
Jack died last week, but not before having his last wish granted. Without the knowledge of his parents or hospital staff, friends arranged an encounter with a prostitute outside of hospital premises. All precautions were taken, and the organizers made sure the act was fully consensual. The issue has sparked fierce debate over the legal and ethical implications of granting the boy's request. By law, Jack was still a child, and the woman involved could in theory face charges for having sex with a minor. The debate was sparked by the hospital's child psychologist, who wrote a letter to "Life Matters," a radio show in which academics debate ethical and moral dilemmas. The scenario was presented in the abstract, with no details about the boy's identity.

"He had been sick for quite a long period, and his schooling was very disrupted, so he hadn't had many opportunities to acquire and retain friends, and his access to young women was pretty poor," the psychologist said recently in an interview with Australia's Daily Telegraph newspaper. "But he was very interested in young women and was experiencing that surge of testosterone that teenage boys have." Hospital staff initially wanted to pool donations to pay for a prostitute, but the ethical and legal implications prevented them from doing so. The psychologist presented members of the clergy with the dilemma and found no clear answer. "It really polarized them," he said. "About half said, 'What's your problem?' And the other half said [it] demeans women and reduces the sexual act to being just a physical one."

Dr. Stephen Leeder, dean of medicine at the University of Sydney and a "Life Matters" panelist, said the issue was a difficult one. "I pointed out that public hospitals operated under the expectation that they would abide by state law," he said. "While various things doubtless are done that are at the edge of that, it's important the public has confidence that the law will be followed." Jack's psychologist, who works with children in palliative care, said the desire was driven in part by a need for basic human contact. "In a child dying over a long period of time, there is often a condition we call 'skin hunger,'" he said. The terminally ill child yearns for non-clinical contact because "mostly when people touch them, it's to do something unpleasant, something that might hurt." Leeder called the diagnosis "improbable." Judy Lumby, the show's other panelist and the executive director of the New South Wales College of Nursing, argued that the details as presented made it abundantly clear the boy's wish ought to be granted. "I said that I would try my darndest as a nurse to do whatever I could to make sure his wish came true," she said. "I just think we are so archaic in the way we treat people in institutions. Certainly, if any of my three daughters were dying, I'd do whatever I could, and I'm sure that you would, too." National Post


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My inital reaction to this article was shock. This boy is dying at age 15 and the most important thing in the world to him is to get laid before he passes on. He didn't even want his parents to know about it. Is this reflective of the way young people view life today? I don't care that I will be missing out on the chance to lead a full life, just let me have sex before I go?
1 posted on 12/23/2001 6:26:24 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: Mopp4
Kids don't raise themselves, at least they weren't meant to. They don't go this far off track in a normal, decent family.

This is the sort of soul-less, animalistic response to impending death that might be expected from a human child raised by beasts.

You've got to assign a healthy dose of blame to the parents here.

2 posted on 12/23/2001 6:33:00 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Mopp4
How many articles are we going to have on this story...it's a not repeat per se, but there at least two threads already on it.
3 posted on 12/23/2001 6:34:11 AM PST by garbanzo
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To: Mopp4
Sounds reasonable to me. I was a 15 year old boy once--at that age that's all I wanted.
You must be a girl.
4 posted on 12/23/2001 6:34:54 AM PST by youngjim
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To: Mopp4
It's been said that for those destined for eternal damnation, the world is the closest they'll get to heaven. For those with an eternal relationship with God paid for by Him, our worldly stay is the closest to hell we'll ever know.

Hopefully he was below the age of accountability or still recognized the impotence of such a nearly final act or perhaps it was natural for his true self to be judged accordingly.

5 posted on 12/23/2001 6:35:30 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Mopp4
Chelsea is one lucky girl.
6 posted on 12/23/2001 6:36:36 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Mopp4
Old news, already discussed two days ago. Likely that FR is where the Chicago Sun-Times got the story. Check out thoroughly discussed story HERE.
7 posted on 12/23/2001 6:38:28 AM PST by DeSoto
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To: youngjim
Sounds reasonable to me. I was a 15 year old boy once--at that age that's all I wanted. You must be a girl.

Hahaha! Thanks for the first laugh of the morning!
To me, this whole story is a non-issue. Let the kid have what he wants.
Good lord, talk about a tempest in a teapot! Must have been a slow news day.

8 posted on 12/23/2001 6:40:53 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Mopp4
I hope this doesn't result in an epidemic of 'dying' teenage boys.
9 posted on 12/23/2001 6:41:27 AM PST by a_federalist
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To: Mopp4
Did he wear a condom?
10 posted on 12/23/2001 6:43:28 AM PST by dennisw
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To: EggsAckley
I can't believe some people around here.

Sheesh, he is 15, and he knows he's dying..so he wants to experience sex so he can leave this earth having experienced what we all are...HUMAN....

I say good for him!!!!

11 posted on 12/23/2001 6:44:44 AM PST by Neets
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This boy is dying at age 15

I also remember me at 15, I had raging hormones and thought with my member several times. (Don't know if I've changed that much, have to ask my wife).

What would have been a better for him to ask for? A new playstation (that'd really be earth shattering), a trip to Disney World?

Yea it may be seen as self centered, but put yourself in his place, what would you ask for as a dying wish?

My Grandfather on his deathbed told my father his wished for one last peaceful bowel movement (he was a little more blunt). My father was shocked, until years later when he had quaduple by-bass surgery and finally understood that my grandfather was right.

So not having "walked a mile in his shoes", I give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he made a right request.

12 posted on 12/23/2001 6:44:56 AM PST by where's_the_Outrage?
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Interesting: His eternal life is immediately before him.

And this "child of the media" wants 30 seconds of immediate sexual gratification rather than an eternity of life.

If he is dead now, I doubt he considers those 30 seconds very important right now.

Notice also that his "instincts" told him NOT to tell his parents, nor hospital administrators ...... Another case of "morality" and "good conscious" coming from instincts deep in our souls.

13 posted on 12/23/2001 6:45:43 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE
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To: dennisw
"All precautions were taken"
14 posted on 12/23/2001 6:46:20 AM PST by coloradan
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To: DWSUWF
You've got to assign a healthy dose of blame to the parents here.

And I do! Childhood cancer is nearly always genetic, and that places blame for the whole sad situation squarely at the parent's feet.

15 posted on 12/23/2001 6:48:07 AM PST by coloradan
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To: Mopp4
Look at it this way: It proves he's not a Muslim terrorist. He had to "get it" here
because he knows there are no virgins waiting for him "there."
16 posted on 12/23/2001 6:50:11 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: DeSoto
Well, I did a search under the title from the Sun Times and it didn't come up. Next time, I'll search a little harder. Thanks.
17 posted on 12/23/2001 6:51:04 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: Mopp4
Is this reflective of the way young people view life today?

Just curious, but are you female?

I know when I was at that age my hormones were going wild - hell they still are, but while I have never acted on those impulses I was also never dying slowly of cancer.

I don't care that I will be missing out on the chance to lead a full life, just let me have sex before I go?

I would imagine he cared greatly about missing out on a full life, sex or no sex, he still loses that.

If it were me in Jack's shoes you bet that would've been my dying wish.

18 posted on 12/23/2001 6:52:29 AM PST by ashrad
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To: youngjim
No - I'm a male who's have plenty of sex. What would your reaction be if it had been a 15 year old girl who wanted to "get doinked" before she died?
19 posted on 12/23/2001 6:53:06 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
...So not having "walked a mile in his shoes", I give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he made a right request.

Your entire thoughtful (and humorous) post is appreciated.

20 posted on 12/23/2001 6:57:30 AM PST by shetlan
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