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School apologizes for burning New Testament
Jersualem Post ^ | December 25, 2001 | Shoshana Kordova

Posted on 12/24/2001 4:49:53 PM PST by dlt

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1 posted on 12/24/2001 4:49:53 PM PST by dlt
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2 posted on 12/24/2001 4:54:28 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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The teacher emphasized that the book-burning was an anti-missionary activity and not an anti-Christian one. . .

I see. All Christians have to do is stop doing what makes them Christians and everything is cool.

3 posted on 12/24/2001 5:01:38 PM PST by LarryLied
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I think it shows it's always good to fire someone like you and your associate, especially while you and your country are basking in U.S. aid. You have made Hitler smile with approval. Well done, ally. Perhaps you would be happier seeking handouts from your surrounding nations.

Silence? Just shows you what our "friends" are teaching their children...in SCHOOL.

4 posted on 12/24/2001 5:07:49 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: dlt
"We obviously have a missionary problem," said Klein.

LOL. Said kinda like we might say, "We obviously have a drug problem." Good grief.

MM

5 posted on 12/24/2001 5:12:27 PM PST by MississippiMan
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"Everybody knows we made a mistake, (yikes, we got caught)" said Jordana Klein, spokeswoman for Sha'alei Torah. "We wouldn't do it again (cause they're watching us now and we might get caught again). We don't think it's the right thing to do (get caught, I mean)."
6 posted on 12/24/2001 5:13:34 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: dlt
Oh boy the Jews just handed the Democrats a wonderful wapon to use against them.
7 posted on 12/24/2001 5:20:23 PM PST by Centurion2000
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"In principle, the ministry condemns book-burning as an educational act," she said."

What a bunch of Clintonian weasel-words. I suppose the ministry does NOT condemn book-burning as an ADMINISTRATIVE act, or an HISTORIC act but only as an EDUCATIONAL act? Boy! That sure clears it up for me, yezzir! Some of those old Nazi tactics sure die hard, don't they?

9 posted on 12/24/2001 5:30:06 PM PST by nightdriver
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Let’s modify the scenario slightly. Say you are sending your kid to a private school here in America that stresses Christian, Conservative, Free Enterprise, traditional American values. A group comes to your community and starts handing out copies of the Communist Manifesto to your kids as a means of encouraging membership in the Communist party. Would it be as wrong for one of the teachers to burn a copy of the Communist Manifesto?
10 posted on 12/24/2001 5:30:12 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: dlt
Pogo's Deacon Mushrat said, "There's nothing quite so beautiful as a brightly burning book."

So long as it's done in private, I presume.

11 posted on 12/24/2001 5:39:14 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Would it be as wrong for one of the teachers to burn a copy of the Communist Manifesto?

Do you suppose a more responsible way to deal with it might be to compare the ten planks of the Manifesto and explain how communism IS affecting them. Even YOUNG kids can understand such loss of freedom. (If only teachers would do so).

12 posted on 12/24/2001 5:42:28 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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Rev. Ray Lockhart, director of the Jerusalem-based Israel Trust of the Anglican Church, said burning the New Testament so publicly was "going over the top somewhat."

This is what passes in our Episcopalian community as a forceful statement of principal.

13 posted on 12/24/2001 5:45:44 PM PST by billorites
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
I would agree that explaining why is a better alternative, I just wanted to offer a different perspective.
14 posted on 12/24/2001 5:49:34 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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…the book-burning was an anti-missionary activity and not an anti-Christian one…; "It was appropriate to burn the New Testament in private,"; The teacher said that if missionary material were found in the school again, it would be thrown into the garbage rather than publicly burned.

Oh my! It’s hard to tell the difference between the Taliban and Israel with this sort of law and logic in play. I have always been offended by a religious symbol (Star of David) on the side of police cars, tanks, fighter aircraft, and ambulances in Israel. Hell, democrats do this sort of thing in this country all the time. But at this crucial junction marking the safety and life of people around the world, one would think that any thinking person would be more interested in slowing the flames of hatred instead of fanning them.

Israel is indeed threatened, and has been since its inception. I am a Christian – Yet I will always defend her. If some Jews become Christian along the way – or some Christians become Jews along the way – so what! This is not a religious war between Christians and Jews. What this is, is simply a need and a choice or each man on earth to find his/her own path through life. We are all only trying to raise families, live decent lives. Every really good Jew should be happy when someone among them finds the path to heaven.

Israel needs to back off with the religious police approach and spend more time and effort on (they already do) defending their right to exist. The “hate” groups in the Islamic factions need to be eliminated. This is where the real effort needs to be and where the real effort needs to be focused. Forget about some high school kid that might be reading the New Testament in the bathroom – be happy it wasn’t a Playboy.

Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas.

15 posted on 12/24/2001 5:53:37 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I just couldn't ever agree that burning information of any kind is a logical solution to anything. Refute it. Debate it. Argue it into oblivion, but the reactionary destruction of any kind of literature seems to me to be an affirmation that there's something in the material that threatens a dogma and I reject dogma of any kind.
16 posted on 12/24/2001 6:00:55 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: dlt
This post perfectly illustrates the Christian, Jewish and Muslim triangle. The Jews just want to be left alone. The Christians are friendly, but meddlesome. The Muslims want to die trying kill every non-muslim and get his share of the available heavenly virgins.
17 posted on 12/24/2001 6:02:18 PM PST by Pamlico
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Would it be as wrong for one of the teachers to burn a copy of the Communist Manifesto?

Good question. Seeing as how Communism is a religion of cult.

18 posted on 12/24/2001 6:10:10 PM PST by Thumper1960
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"The teacher said: 'God sent it and He gave us the privilege, and we'll be able to burn the New Testament," said Ariel Lesnick, 11, who is in the class.......The teacher emphasized that the book-burning was an anti-missionary activity and not an anti-Christian one, Lesnick said......."It was appropriate to burn the New Testament in private," wrote Spector in his ruling. He cited traditional and modern rabbis, including Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, who wrote that he had burned missionary texts, which he called "books of incitement and brainwashing." Such burning is permissible even if the texts include the name of God, Spector said.

Gee whiz! Goebbels would be impressed with the "logic" in this rationalization.

19 posted on 12/24/2001 6:13:43 PM PST by Thumper1960
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The teacher said that if missionary material were found in the school again, it would be thrown into the garbage rather than publicly burned, said Lesnick.

Anyone doubts that a teacher in a Christian school wouldn't throw Jewish/Muslim or any other missionary material into the garbage?

20 posted on 12/24/2001 6:20:29 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: dlt
The teacher said that if missionary material were found in the school again, it would be thrown into the garbage rather than publicly burned, said Lesnick.

Anyone doubts that a teacher in a Christian school wouldn't throw Jewish/Muslim or any other missionary material into the garbage?

21 posted on 12/24/2001 6:21:39 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: dlt
On the flip side to that:

We have some Jewish friends who came over tonight on Christmas Eve to pick up their son who had stayed playing with our son today and to share some Christmas cheer.

They have their son enrolled in a "home school" contract teacher arrangement that teaches out of the basement of the Episcopal Church.

They were going to take him to the school play and brought his costume which was a shepherd's garb. When I asked what the play was about, they said it was a Nativity play. Oy Vey! :-)

22 posted on 12/24/2001 6:27:36 PM PST by Polybius
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Oh my! It’s hard to tell the difference between the Taliban and Israel with this sort of law and logic in play.

A possible difference is that the Taliban, or the Saudis, for that matter, would have destroyed the missionaries, not the book.

23 posted on 12/24/2001 6:28:44 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: BrooklynGOP
You bet they would ... along with the cough drops, tylonol, midol, pictures of guns or knives and a whole host of other zero tolerance garbage. Everyone has gotten SO ridiculously intolerant in this wonderfully diversified world we live in these days.
24 posted on 12/24/2001 6:30:14 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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Yes, I doubt it - - having been in (christian) Sunday schools where such nonChristian literature was discussed - not burned.
25 posted on 12/24/2001 6:32:42 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. -- John 1:10-11
26 posted on 12/24/2001 6:34:16 PM PST by calvin sun
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Yes, I doubt it - - having been in (christian) Sunday schools where such nonChristian literature was discussed - not burned.

Are you talking about non Christian literature or non Christian MISSIONARY literature.. And was this a planned class, or a discussion that spontaneously happened because a child brought missionary literature to class?

27 posted on 12/24/2001 6:34:54 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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Yes, I doubt it. In fact, I would think that a teacher in a Christian school would probably be fired for burning a Koran or a Talmud in front of his class. The idea of Jews burning Bibles is repulsive, despite any hypothetical "what if" you can dream up.
28 posted on 12/24/2001 6:38:06 PM PST by ozzymandus
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Are you talking about non Christian literature or non Christian MISSIONARY literature..

You are setting up an argument which denies Christians their identity. The essence of Christianity is its missionary nature.

29 posted on 12/24/2001 6:41:39 PM PST by LarryLied
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I think this shows that Israel and the US have something else in common - narrow minded totalitarian teachers and school administarors. Was this an "Israeli-NEA" diversity exercise?

Keep in mind that a thousand other schools in Israel DIDN'T engage in this pinheaded garbage that day, and it was one of the students' parents who complained.

30 posted on 12/24/2001 6:43:27 PM PST by Castlebar
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The idea of Jews burning Bibles is repulsive, despite any hypothetical "what if" you can dream up.

Uh. You are twisting the facts. The fact is that I quoted the part where he said that he will throw it in garbage, not burn it.

31 posted on 12/24/2001 6:43:49 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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You are setting up an argument which denies Christians their identity. The essence of Christianity is its missionary nature.

So what you are basically saying is that Christians won't drop it till everyone on the plant is a Christian? Is that the argument you are setting up?

32 posted on 12/24/2001 6:45:22 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Jordana Klein
33 posted on 12/24/2001 6:51:23 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: ozzymandus
The idea of Jews burning Bibles is repulsive, despite any hypothetical "what if" you can dream up.

That is probably why they said they were wrong, apologized, and set a process to avoid such mistakes in the future. Now when do you expect to see an apology from the Islamists massacring Christians in Indonesia on Christmas Eve?

34 posted on 12/24/2001 6:51:46 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: BrooklynGOP
So what you are basically saying is that Christians won't drop it till everyone on the plant is a Christian? Is that the argument you are setting up?

What part of 'Go forth and teach all nations' do you not understand?

35 posted on 12/24/2001 6:53:30 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
What part of 'Go forth and teach all nations' do you not understand?

Oh, I understand everything perfectly... I just needed someone to confirm it for the sake of aesthetics of this particular thread.

36 posted on 12/24/2001 6:55:56 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
A possible difference is that the Taliban, or the Saudis, for that matter, would have destroyed the missionaries, not the book.

http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/scripts/article.asp?id=35081&mador=1

Sunday, November 29, 1998

Enraged mob attacks Jews for Jesus meeting By Aliza Arbeli, Ha'aretz Correspondent

A mob of several hundred ultra-Orthodox Jews besieged an old Arab structure in Be'er Sheva yesterday after a rumor spread in the city's synagogues that missionaries were baptizing Jewish children.

The Haredim stopped their prayers to go to the house, where they found about 40 people, including women and children, who are members of the messianic movement Jews for Jesus. The movement has met in the same building for 17 years.

Police Chief Superintendent Kobi Cohen, who headed the police force that arrived at the scene, said police rescued the trapped worshipers and escorted them past the singing and dancing demonstrators.

A messianic Jew who was in the area described the experience as terrifying. "A mob of men in black surrounded us and were shouting and throwing stones and they tried to jump over the fence. We were especially scared for the children. We're not missionaries. We are Jews just like those who want to kick us out. We all believe in the same god, but we also believe in love and tolerance," he said.

A few days ago in Kiryat Malachi, several dozen youths from a Chabad high school attacked an American couple whom they suspected were missionaries. The boys hurled stones at the house of the new immigrants, who moved to the city three months ago. The couple denied engaging in any missionary activity and said they belonged to a humanitarian organization based in Switzerland and came to Kiryat Malachi to work with Ethiopian immigrants.

Two weeks ago, a mob of ultra-Orthodox men attacked and ransacked an apartment rented by three Swiss Christian women they accused of conducting missionary activity in Jerusalem's ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of Mea She'arim. The women denied the accusations.

37 posted on 12/24/2001 7:00:55 PM PST by dlt
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This wasn't reported in some anti-Israel rag. It is on the front page of the Jerusalem Post.

It is making news because it is so out of the ordinary. People do stupid things. Even Jews.

Read the article. Jews complained. Jews made it a story.

That being said. Yes, Jews object to be proselytized. Yes, they might act irrationally when they get fed up with unceasing proselytizing.

Where Christians insist that it is their duty, Jews must insist that they will resist. We can't always agree.

38 posted on 12/24/2001 7:04:09 PM PST by Sabramerican
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...............a Hebrew copy of the New Testament.

?? Who is the publisher?
?? What is this Hebrew N.T. called? Title?
?? What original source-language 'text' is it translated from?
?? Who are its authors, editors, translators, and illustrators?
?? When (year)(s) published? Versions? Houses?
?? Is it a Cult-perversion text and NOT Scripture!...?
?? Who? Which? 'Christian' groups 'support-endorse' this 'text'?
?? Who? Which? 'Christian' groups Actively DO NOT 'support-endorse' this 'text'?

BOTTOM LINE:: Maybe, this 'text' NEEDED TO BE BURNED!!!

Think it through..........there ARE MANY DECEIVERS & LIARS 'fooling' both Jewish peoples and Gentile peoples!!!
(Does this 'text' retain, 1st John 5:7......?)
If it doesn't have, 1st John 5:7.......o.k., burn it!!!
:-(
:-)

39 posted on 12/24/2001 7:04:37 PM PST by maestro
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To: dlt
Jews 4 Jesus is a cult.
40 posted on 12/24/2001 7:07:26 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Sabramerican
Actually, I do not care for people proselytizing to me either. But I usually read all their books, just out of interst.
41 posted on 12/24/2001 7:09:59 PM PST by dlt
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Jews 4 Jesus is a cult.

So are the fundamentalist Baptists...I should know, as I was raised in a family of them.

42 posted on 12/24/2001 7:13:22 PM PST by dlt
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Rev. Ray Lockhart, director of the Jerusalem-based Israel Trust of the Anglican Church, said burning the New Testament so publicly was "going over the top somewhat." Lockhart, whose organization focuses on ministry to the Jews, added that it's preferable to get a signed statement from parents before giving Christian scriptures to a minor.

Attendance at Anglican Churches in England have been in decline for decades. Maybe they should be devoting more time ministering to Anglicans in England and less to Jews in Israel.

43 posted on 12/24/2001 7:19:37 PM PST by Pontiac
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So are the fundamentalist Baptists...I should know, as I was raised in a family of them.

Were you brainwashed? Forced to marry at 13? Made to turn over all you possesions to your minister? What kind of cult are the fundamentalist Baptists?

44 posted on 12/24/2001 7:25:19 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Sabramerican
Where Christians insist that it is their duty, Jews must insist that they will resist. We can't always agree.

A very good summary of the situation, Christians have a duty to tell the 'Good News' (Godspell, Gospel, Evangelize), which is English, Old English, and Anglicized Greek, for it, among others. No other person has a duty to be convinced, except in the most abstract sense of that term.

People have a right to be annoyed by missionaries, as most Christians are when Mormon or 7th Day Adventist missionaries arrive at the door. The Arab approach, which is to kill the missionaries, and anyone who converts, is unlikely to be adopted in Israel anytime soon, I believe (LOL)

45 posted on 12/24/2001 7:25:26 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: BrooklynGOP
Jews 4 Jesus is a cult.

'cult n 1: adherents of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices '--Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

Aren't we all members of a cult, by this definition.

46 posted on 12/24/2001 7:28:48 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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Were you brainwashed? Forced to marry at 13? Made to turn over all you possesions to your minister? What kind of cult are the fundamentalist Baptists?

LOL. No, I wasn't forced to marry at 13. But...like the Taliban...we were prohibited from seeing movies, no dancing, no playing cards, no listening to pop music, no skirts which were not at least 3 inches below the knees, no wearing pants (I'm female), prayers at least 3 times at day (mealtimes), etc. In general, the same rules and regulations which you will find at Bob Jones University.

I'm not saying this was horrible way to live, and I was actually joking about it being a cult, but it is not the way I choose to live today. Even my father now sees that these lifestyle rules have little to do with faith.

47 posted on 12/24/2001 7:32:42 PM PST by dlt
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
A mistake? A mistake would be accidentally dropping the flame from your cigarette onto the pages of the New Testament.

And maybe you could straighten me out on another little misconception ... kids in Christian schools, Sunday Schools and Bible Schools all study from the bible, which contains (part of) the Jewish part ... the Torah. But it seems that kids in Jewish school aren't even allowed to lay eyes on the Christian part. Oh, I forgot, the Christian part is heresy which deserves to be burned (but only in secret, of course).

Its passing strange to me that Christians can't get their minds all the way around the fact that Islam at least acknowledges Jesus as a key biblical figure, whereas Judeaism denies him altogether ...

48 posted on 12/24/2001 7:34:54 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
and Bible Schools all study from the bible, which contains (part of) the Jewish part ... the Torah. But it seems that kids in Jewish school aren't even allowed to lay eyes on the Christian part. Oh, I forgot, the Christian part is heresy which deserves to be burned (but only in secret, of course).

Well, seeing how Christianity came out of Judaism, it would be kind of hard to teach Christianity without the Torah.

Its passing strange to me that Christians can't get their minds all the way around the fact that Islam at least acknowledges Jesus as a key biblical figure, whereas Judeaism denies him altogether ...

Let's start bashing Buddhists and Hindus too, for not acknowledging Jesus either.

49 posted on 12/24/2001 7:39:58 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
Its passing strange to me that Christians can't get their minds all the way around the fact that Islam at least acknowledges Jesus as a key biblical figure, whereas Judeaism denies him altogether ...

And this is some sort of surprise to you? Islam is a heresy of both Judaism and Christianity, so it has to acknowledge the truth of it's sources. Judaism regards Christianity as a heresy of Judaism, when they acknowledge that much of a connection. They would no more honor Jesus than Christians honor Mohammed, nor should they, considering their beliefs.

50 posted on 12/24/2001 7:43:36 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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