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School apologizes for burning New Testament
Jersualem Post ^ | December 25, 2001 | Shoshana Kordova

Posted on 12/24/2001 4:49:53 PM PST by dlt

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To: BrooklynGOP
That's what it famous for.. being a ghetto..

I remember an exchange with a poster who took grace offence when I used the word "ghetto" when refering to the place where Jewish "refugees" live in San Francisco. People have no idea, LOL!

251 posted on 12/26/2001 11:37:56 AM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
Those "Russian" mafiosi are really nasty, I hear. Growing up in Odessa must have screwed many people up.

Has nothing to do with Odessa. Most of these criminals are not from Odessa, either. Just because brighton is called little Odessa, doen't mean that everyone who lives there is from Odessa, or that everyone who is a criminal lives on brighton beach. Nathan wasn't from Odessa. Growing up in Odessa has nothing to do with being a criminal or not. Check crime statistics of the soviet Odessa and Moscow, or any other major city.

252 posted on 12/26/2001 11:39:16 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Dale 1
…the book-burning was an anti-missionary activity and not an anti-Christian one…; "It was appropriate to burn the New Testament in private,"; The teacher said that if missionary material were found in the school again, it would be thrown into the garbage rather than publicly burned.

Oh my! It’s hard to tell the difference between the Taliban and Israel with this sort of law and logic in play.
Huh? This is a private school! They are not enforcing their values on the country. In their minds, they were simply protecting the school. How is that Taliban like? Did they shoot the missionaries? No, they destroyed the materials they were given.
They handled it poorly. They simply should not have accepted any materials from missionaries.
However, most people on this list need to understand that many Jews are deeply threatened by Christian missionaries. While these missionaries handed out the books from love, Jews have a long memory. We remember forced conversions and rampant anti-Semetism in Europe.
Having missionary work in Israel goes beyond this. It is seen as an invasion. Religious Zionists see Israel as a place were we are to follow Gods laws. To have someone try to convert children on their way to school is an affront.
I have always been offended by a religious symbol (Star of David) on the side of police cars, tanks, fighter aircraft, and ambulances in Israel. Hell, democrats do this sort of thing in this country all the time.
Israel is not the US!
But at this crucial junction marking the safety and life of people around the world, one would think that any thinking person would be more interested in slowing the flames of hatred instead of fanning them.
The administrators in the school considered their actions to be PROTECTING the students. They did not tell the students to expell the missionaries. They suimply want to be left alone!
Israel is indeed threatened, and has been since its inception. I am a Christian – Yet I will always defend her. If some Jews become Christian along the way – or some Christians become Jews along the way – so what! This is not a religious war between Christians and Jews. What this is, is simply a need and a choice or each man on earth to find his/her own path through life. We are all only trying to raise families, live decent lives. Every really good Jew should be happy when someone among them finds the path to heaven.
Perhaps you don't realise that Jews consider Christianity to be a false religion and that Jews who convert are damning themselves.
When you go try and convert Jews, you are attacking them as far as we are concerned. Look, there are fewer than 18 million Jews in the world. We cant afford to have every child, especially those in religious schools be converted.
Israel needs to back off with the religious police approach and spend more time and effort on (they already do) defending their right to exist.
What is the point of defending the Stae of ISrael, but not the people and religion of Israel?
253 posted on 12/26/2001 11:40:19 AM PST by rmlew
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To: BrooklynGOP
Exactly. Thus muslims were more tolerant of Jews in those republis, then russians were. The point I was making all along.

You mean the fact that they trimmed both Abdullah and Misha makes them more tolerant? Intolerance is trying to suppress someone else's customs, like that Jewish writer demanding the usage of politically-correct version of the date. If the customs are the same, or similar enough, it's not tolerance.

254 posted on 12/26/2001 11:42:52 AM PST by madrussian
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To: BrooklynGOP
I remember an exchange with a poster who took grace offence when I used the word "ghetto" when refering to the place where Jewish "refugees" live in San Francisco. People have no idea, LOL!

*shrug*
Ghetto is from yiddish.. but it doesn't just apply to Jews.. Brooklyn is ghetto.. You have blacks living together, latinos in a different section... Italians/Jews get a long quite well.

255 posted on 12/26/2001 11:45:41 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: madrussian
If the customs are the same, or similar enough, it's not tolerance.

Ok. So would you say that Christianity is tolerant, when one of its main points is to convert everybody on the planet? Is that real tolerance?

256 posted on 12/26/2001 11:46:57 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
You mean the fame that Odessa had for being a gangster city, was undeserved? Or that it was cleaned up as of the late Soviet period?

Yeah, I'd like to see the stats, but whenever a story breaks out about "Russian" mafia, most of the time there are Jewish names. But they could be not from Odessa, LOL!

257 posted on 12/26/2001 11:47:21 AM PST by madrussian
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To: BrooklynGOP
Please tell more how Christianity is intolerant. I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth.
258 posted on 12/26/2001 11:49:56 AM PST by madrussian
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To: BrooklynGOP
So would you say that Christianity is tolerant, when one of its main points is to convert everybody on the planet? Is that real tolerance?

Which religion is more tolerant:

1. The one that says "We love everyone so much that we want to make sure that they are saved and have eternal life; or,

2. The one that says "Screw everyone else, we are the chosen ones, let's not tell them about our little secret."

Before everyone goes crazy, I do not think that the religion in #2 is intolerant, however it is an appropriate defense when relgion #2 calls religion #1 intolerant simply because they are trying to share salvation with everyone.

259 posted on 12/26/2001 11:50:58 AM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
1. The one that says "We love everyone so much that we want to make sure that they are saved and have eternal life; or,

Mmm.. NAMBLA will have you know that they are doing little boys a favor, how do you respond to that?

2. The one that says "Screw everyone else, we are the chosen ones, let's not tell them about our little secret."

Unlike Christianity, Judaism doesn't differentiate between Jews and non Jews in afterlife. All you have to do is be righteous in life.

260 posted on 12/26/2001 12:35:44 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: madrussian
You skipped over the question.
261 posted on 12/26/2001 12:36:26 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
Mmm.. NAMBLA will have you know that they are doing little boys a favor, how do you respond to that?

There is a big, big difference between Christians sharing the gospel and homos trying to sodomize your kids. I am not saying that you should neccesarrily like christian missionary work, but it is certianly not intolerant.

In all, I just don't get what you are so upset about. If a Jew came to my door and tried to convert me, it wouldn't upset me at all. Why does it upset you so much that Christians try to convert Jews?

262 posted on 12/26/2001 12:39:13 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: madrussian
You mean the fame that Odessa had for being a gangster city, was undeserved? Or that it was cleaned up as of the late Soviet period?

Undeserved? You remind me of this conversation I had with this guy from Austria a month ago. He is a firm believer that Protocols of Zion is not a fake. His main argument is that Jews got a rough deal in history and there has to be something to justify it. Like I said, pull up crime statistics if you want to support your claim of Odessa being crime central.

Yeah, I'd like to see the stats, but whenever a story breaks out about "Russian" mafia, most of the time there are Jewish names. But they could be not from Odessa, LOL!

Oh? Russia mafia in russia? Or russian mafia in USA?

263 posted on 12/26/2001 12:39:19 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Rodney King
In all, I just don't get what you are so upset about. If a Jew came to my door and tried to convert me, it wouldn't upset me at all. Why does it upset you so much that Christians try to convert Jews?

What if they came to your door daily? Why not just leave people alone with their beliefs? Why not actually try tolerating other people's belief instead of trying to change them?

264 posted on 12/26/2001 12:41:14 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: madrussian
Let's recap.. A Jew writes to another Jew, a suggestion on not using non Jewish symbols in a Jewish text that that other Jew is publishing to be read by other Jews for a Hanukkah, which is a Jewish holiday, and you are offended?
265 posted on 12/26/2001 12:42:43 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
A Jew writes to a newspaper. I don't care what you use between yourselves. And whether you burn the New Testament in the manner prescribed by your rabbis, IN PRIVATE.
266 posted on 12/26/2001 12:56:25 PM PST by madrussian
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To: BrooklynGOP
Your question whether missionary activity is being tolerant? Yes. Unless knowing that someone believes that their faith is the true one, the feature of all religions, is felling intolerance.
267 posted on 12/26/2001 1:00:49 PM PST by madrussian
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To: BrooklynGOP
Like I said, pull up crime statistics if you want to support your claim of Odessa being crime central.

Do you know of any source? You haven't explained why Odessa was famous for gangsterism. For no reason?

Oh? Russia mafia in russia? Or russian mafia in USA?

"Russian" mafia in USA, of course.

268 posted on 12/26/2001 1:02:40 PM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
Hey, I'm chosen.

Doubtless, your English is flawless as a rule but I think the word you're looking for here is "choice", not "chosen". =)

269 posted on 12/26/2001 1:24:03 PM PST by Askel5
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To: madrussian
Do you know of any source? You haven't explained why Odessa was famous for gangsterism. For no reason?

I've known Odessa to be famous for its sense of humor and that it had a lot of Jews.. I haven't heard about it being stereotyped for gangsterism.

"Russian" mafia in USA, of course.

Ok. Simple. Vast majority of russian speakers in USA being Jewish..naturally there would be more russian speaking criminals who are Jewish, then not.. Proportions.. Go back to your america's most wanted, and do a search for "russian", see how many come up and then tell me that Jews are disproportionately criminals.

270 posted on 12/26/2001 2:27:53 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: madrussian
A Jew writes to a newspaper. I don't care what you use between yourselves.

Which newspaper was this? And if you dont' care how we use dating systems between ourselves, then what's all this stink on this thread?

271 posted on 12/26/2001 2:30:15 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
NAMBLA will have you know that they are doing little boys a favor, how do you respond to that?

You're comparing the spreading of the Good News that is the Christian liberation from inexorable pagan fate to the normalizing of anal sex between men and boys?

Correct me if I'm wrong, please ... because otherwise I'll suspect such a hateful and awful statement could only come from someone lacking in the charity and peace associated with loving obedience to God's will.

272 posted on 12/26/2001 2:48:40 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
I was making a stupid analogy in response to somebody else's stupid analogy. And it did shut them up.
273 posted on 12/26/2001 2:52:19 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
What if they came to your door daily?

Daily? That would piss me off.

Why not just leave people alone with their beliefs? Why not actually try tolerating other people's belief instead of trying to change them?

Witnessing for Christ is a fundamental tenant of the Christian religion. Christians are commanded by the Lord to spread the good news. Therefore, you are the one who is intolerant of other people's beliefs and trying to change them, by demanding that they renounce a fundamental tenant of their religion.

274 posted on 12/26/2001 2:55:06 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: BrooklynGOP, askel5
I was making a stupid analogy in response to somebody else's stupid analogy. And it did shut them up

No it didn't, actually. In fact, we have continued our conversation, and the record clearly shows that. So you might want to apologize to the above poster for lying. The fact is that you say it is intolerant for Christians to practice their religion, which includes missionary work, and you refuse to defend that statement.

275 posted on 12/26/2001 4:20:03 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
What if they came to your door daily?

Daily? That would piss me off. Reasonable.. and then:

Therefore, you are the one who is intolerant of other people's beliefs and trying to change them, by demanding that they renounce a fundamental tenant of their religion.

Mmmmmm... and you just say that if someone did the same to you you would get pissed off.. mmmm..

276 posted on 12/26/2001 4:26:21 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
but the reactionary destruction of any kind of literature

Lol. I never considered you to be someone to appreciate literature, spotlighter. But I'll concede the point that you'd probably be much more comfortable burning Jews than burning literature, particularly if the "literature" was old Carto rags :).

So, how goes the site? Selling any colon-cures? And what IS "the Synagogue of Satan"?

277 posted on 12/26/2001 4:32:20 PM PST by Cachelot
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To: BrooklynGOP
Mmmmmm... and you just say that if someone did the same to you you would get pissed off.. mmmm

1. What does Mmmm mean? Before you said Mmmm Nambla. Now its Mmmm before and after every sentence.

2. There is a difference between knocking on someone's door every single day and what is being discussed here.

278 posted on 12/26/2001 4:59:28 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
2. There is a difference between knocking on someone's door every single day and what is being discussed here.

My original question was "What's real tolerance?". Unfortunately, Christianity as you described it is not tolerant. I was horrified to learn from the mouth of the american women who were rescued from Taliban prisons, that they did indeed do missionary work in Afhganistan, even though everybody knows that its illegal to do so there.. It is also illegal to do missionary work with children in Israel.. nobody is saying anything about these missionaries breaking laws.. and anyways.. Look, I am not saying that Christians want to convert Jews out of malice or whatever. But no matter what the intent is, I do hope that you can see how it might piss somebody off. Specially went people wont' stop at anything and create such cults as Jews 4 Jesus - that's the worst.

279 posted on 12/26/2001 5:06:04 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
Since The Word is a living thing and dwells in my heart, I am not upset when the printed Word is burned. Jesus is the Living Word and not even death can separate me from Him. They will know we are chrisians because of the love we demonstrate towards God, each other, and the world. If your sense of worth or self-esteem comes from your doctrine or a book even the New Testament , then you will be feel threatened or even angry when someone does something like this school. But, if your worth and sense of self comes from knowing that Jesus died for you and God's great love for you, then you will still be able to walk in love toward those who despise you and your beliefs in Jesus.
280 posted on 12/26/2001 5:39:34 PM PST by StacyMac
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To: StacyMac
*shrug* That's fine. Let me practice my Judaism, and you can practice Christianity, deal? :)
281 posted on 12/26/2001 5:43:35 PM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: trank
I'm sure in Israel gentiles are still thought of as DOGS

Right. Jews through out history treated Gentiles as dogs, not the other war around. Carry on.

283 posted on 12/27/2001 8:16:12 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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