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To: Ridin' Shotgun
Christians such as you always seem to forget that Christianity comes out of Judaism. You celebrate tonight the birth of a Jew. It it how you interpret our beliefs that allows you to determine that this Jew was special.

Judaism stands on its own. Christianity can not stand but for Judaism. Islam plagiarizes both.

55 posted on 12/24/2001 7:47:58 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
Christians such as you always seem to forget that Christianity comes out of Judaism. You celebrate tonight the birth of a Jew. It it how you interpret our beliefs that allows you to determine that this Jew was special. Judaism stands on its own. Christianity can not stand but for Judaism. Islam plagiarizes both.

This is not the time or place for a discussion of this but I believe that Christianity is a branch of Judaism, historically speaking. Obviously this can only be the case if you take the position that Paul took with James (the brother of Jesus), that certain requirements of Judaism as it existed up till then were inessential.

As we all know, Judaism had a wide range of opinions during the first century. The positions of those who exalted the Sacrifice at the Temple as the heart of Judaism clearly does not have much of a following now. Modern Judaism is descended from Rabbinical Judaism, which started to flourish shortly before the period. Those who were Pharisees clearly divided, with many continuing as Jews, others becoming Christian.

Of course by the beginning of the 2nd century Gentiles started to dominate the Christian church, and Christians ceased attending services at the more tolerant Jewish congregations. As we know, the Romans, who in their own way were non-partisan in this dispute, considered Christianity to be a form of Judaism for more than a century.

I realize that this is off topic, and probably pleases nobody here, but it might be worth a discussion sometime, somewhere. Obviously the major division between Jews and Christians is the question of the nature of the Messiah, and, more directly, is his coming a future, or a past event.

60 posted on 12/24/2001 8:16:25 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Sabramerican
You celebrate tonight the birth of a Jew. ...who came with a lesson for wayward Jews, most of whom rejected both him and the lesson, making him a persona non grata and his lesson 'heresy'. I have no dog in this race, except to say, the nazi book burners haven't ever really gone away ... they just changed their shirts and usually settled for simply banning books, or at least so I thought until I read this article. Guess I was wrong about that, too.
61 posted on 12/24/2001 8:19:01 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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