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AIDS Activist Undergoes Liver Transplant Surgery
Houston Chronicle ^ | December 24, 2001

Posted on 12/25/2001 4:04:30 PM PST by bayourod

PITTSBURGH -- AIDS activist, author and playwright Larry Kramer underwent liver transplant surgery and was listed in serious condition Monday.

Kramer's doctors said his condition was improving and was about where it should be after the 12-hour surgery Friday.

Kramer, 66, spent seven months on the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center's waiting list. He moved to Pittsburgh in early November to wait for an organ to become available. While many transplant centers oppose the surgery for HIV-positive patients, UPMC's Thomas E. Starzl Transplantation Institute has performed 10 liver transplants on HIV-positive patients since 1997. Eight of the patients have survived. Kramer's HIV has been relatively well controlled, but he suffered from end-stage liver failure caused by hepatitis B.


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Livers for homosexuals but not for alcoholics.

How many people have been infected with AIDS by the 8 other homosexual recipients since their surgeries?

Which organ will fail next and have to be replaced as his AIDS progresses?

1 posted on 12/25/2001 4:04:31 PM PST by bayourod
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To: bayourod
AIDS activist, author and playwright Larry Kramer underwent liver transplant
surgery and was listed in serious condition Monday.


This is the greatest affront to the beauty of the English Language and theater...
since Shakespeare died.
2 posted on 12/25/2001 4:08:53 PM PST by VOA
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To: bayourod
This sort of thing is one of the reasons I'll never sign a 'blank check' organ donation document.

I wouldn't mind a family member or friend (or even a right-minded stranger) from getting some use out of body parts that I wasn't able to use anymore...

But I refuse to even risk being the one responsible for lengthening the life of some stinking liberal or pervert.

3 posted on 12/25/2001 4:20:23 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: DWSUWF
Guarantee if you donated to the UNited Way you helped pay for that liver.
4 posted on 12/25/2001 4:22:08 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: bayourod
66 year old with HIV...what a waste of a liver!
5 posted on 12/25/2001 4:27:17 PM PST by Rain-maker
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To: bayourod
I can see transplants if they get them from other AIDS donors but there's such a shortage of organs that letting someone die of liver disease who doesn't have AIDS so they can give this AIDS-free liver to someone with AIDS is wrong.
6 posted on 12/25/2001 4:29:41 PM PST by FITZ
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To: bayourod
Which organ will fail next and have to be replaced as his AIDS progresses?

Apparently his kidneys, from the article on the operation in the Pittsburgh Tribune.

Story in Tribune

"This morning, Larry said to me, 'You know, this really is revolutionary. This is the next big story in AIDS treatment,'" said friend and caregiver Rodger McFarlane.

Mr. Kramer is the founder of ACT-UP.

7 posted on 12/25/2001 4:31:02 PM PST by welfareworker
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"...Guarantee if you donated to the UNited Way you helped pay for that liver..."

When I worked for a corporation, in years past, I was always quite open about my refusal to donate to the United Way/United Fund.

This being said, my record is not ('officially' at least) unblemished...

Years ago I had a supervisor who craved a '100%' contribution rate from his subordinates. My refusal to cooperate landed me in his office, where I had the pleasure of refusing him to his face.

He was apoplectic...

We compromised by him reaching in his pocket and handing me $15, at which point I authorized $1 a month for 12 months. Net profit to me: $3, but at the cost of an ugly technical violation of my charity code...

8 posted on 12/25/2001 4:32:44 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Rain-maker
66 year old with HIV...what a waste of a liver!

How many children or other people died of liver failure so an AIDS activist could extend his selfish life just a little longer?

9 posted on 12/25/2001 4:34:30 PM PST by FITZ
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To: DWSUWF
I know what you mean. I worked for a DoD contractor (largest in the US) and was always pressured into donating to the UW (and never did). What a scam. They must give % kickbacks based on the amount the get.
10 posted on 12/25/2001 4:42:08 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"...What a scam..."

'Scam' is the EXACT word that pops into my head when I hear the words 'United Way'.

Of course, that's merely one man's opinion...

11 posted on 12/25/2001 4:49:42 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: DWSUWF
IMO the Pope should be the head of UW. But that is this man's opinion...
12 posted on 12/25/2001 4:52:58 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"...IMO the Pope should be the head of UW. But that is this man's opinion..."

A religious leader of the Pope's stature, or of Billy Graham's for that matter, would lend it some credibility, yes.

But the bottom line is that the UW is an unnecessary layer, with overhead mouths to feed that can easily be eliminated simply by donating directly to deserving charities.

13 posted on 12/25/2001 5:04:35 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: welfareworker
"The need for liver and kidney transplants has risen greatly in recent years due to new therapies that allow patients with HIV to live longer, in turn allowing progression of chronic liver failure. "
From TRIBUNE link in reply #7
14 posted on 12/25/2001 5:13:22 PM PST by bayourod
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To: BoPepper
"...You are one sorry excuse for a human being. There are a number of Freepers that used to be liberal. Many of us have familiy and friends that are liberals. Refusing to sign an organ donor card for ideological reasons is just plain incomprehensible..."

I would never knowingly do anything to keep the light in a liberal's eyes for a single second.

Now, pray tell, exactly which part of this unequivocally stated, starkly uncompromising policy do you find 'incomprehensible'?

16 posted on 12/25/2001 5:22:03 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: BoPepper
"...Placing a higher value on the life of a conservative..."

Duh...

"...By the way, you may be condemning a conservative or potential conservative to a shorter life by refusing to sign a organ donor card..."

Of course this is a potential downside. Every policy, every strategy, ha a downside. In a more perfect world you could put a trustworthy organization in charge of the post-mortem distribution of your donated organs so that you could have a measure of assurance that liberals and their ilk would be discriminated against.

"...If you can not recognize the idiocy of your position, then you must be impervious to logical or rational thought..."

Admit it, newbie, you just don't like my philosophy, my eager willingness to discriminate against leftists on a life and death basis. And -judging by how quickly you resorted to name-calling- my guess would be that your credentials as a conservative are shaky at best.

18 posted on 12/25/2001 6:08:53 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: FITZ
Next stop on the agenda? No organ transplants for Boy Scouts or Salvation Army members until they change their ways......
19 posted on 12/25/2001 6:15:52 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Maybe only the politically correct can have livers or other organs. It really made no sense to deny someone who has a chance to live a liver so they could give it to someone with a terminal illness instead.
20 posted on 12/25/2001 6:21:01 PM PST by FITZ
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To: anniegetyourgun
What amazes me is that I know someone with Hepatitis C who was denied a liver for that exact reason ---over age 60 and with a terminal disease. I guess it's different for AIDS activists.
21 posted on 12/25/2001 6:22:12 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
And what's more ---with the person I know who was denied a liver, he found a research hospital doing adult living donors, got a piece of liver from his son and is now doing very well and is back to work.
22 posted on 12/25/2001 6:23:39 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Agree. We need to test and quarantine, and deny public monies to those who are receiving the "just recompense of their error, which is meet." And start using the term "innocent AIDS patient" for those who got it in a dentist's office, etc.
24 posted on 12/25/2001 6:28:41 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: BoPepper
"...By the way, my dad is a liberal. Would you deny him a life-saving organ donation?..."

LOL!

You're one of those guys who has to take a poke or two in the nose before he gets mad enough to fight, aren't you?

OK... You know my policy, son... No Liberals.

BTW... If my father were a liberal I'd be ashamed to admit it publicly, even to complete strangers.

25 posted on 12/25/2001 6:33:30 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: bayourod

Colon?

27 posted on 12/25/2001 6:45:19 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: BoPepper
"...If you saw a car accident, would you ask if the passengers were liberals BEFORE you saved their lives?..."

I'm no medic. I'm not qualified to deal with life-threatening trauma. And I'm no young fool, full of piss and vinegar, either. I'm sure as Hell not game for a lawsuit as a reward for trying to help you, and botching the job.

And please don't betray an ignorance of how this world works by telling me that a 'Good Samaritan' law will protect me...

No... On second thought, if you believe that, DO speak up. (I've got some property down in Florida that I'd like to show you when the tide's out)

If I see a bad wreck, I'll get on the horn, and I'll call 911. If I haven't got a phone with me, I'll make a call from the next land line I encounter. I'll even spot the quarter if it takes one.

Which beats simply ignoring the situation by a country mile.

28 posted on 12/25/2001 6:56:18 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Jhoffa_
Which organ will fail next and have to be replaced as his AIDS progresses?

Colon?

LOL!!!!

Priceless answer! Two snaps up in a circle for you!

May I suggest we send the lucky organ recipient a veritable shower of condoms, as they have done to the Priests at St. Patricks' Cathedral in NYC?

29 posted on 12/25/2001 6:58:57 PM PST by Itzlzha
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To: VOA;bayourod;DWSUWF;RedBloodedAmerican;RAIN-MAKER;FITZ;WELFAREWORKER
Kramer's HIV has been relatively well controlled, but he suffered from end-stage liver failure caused by hepatitis B.

All of you have been ignoring this little detail. The reason his own liver is failing is that he has Hepatitis B.

This new donor liver by being implanted in this degenerate will become infected by Hep B and start to die. This transplant is totally immoral for this reason alone.

This mans life is being extended because of who he is, not because he is the best candidate for a very expensive transplant and a healthy donor organ in short supply.

30 posted on 12/25/2001 7:17:59 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: DWSUWF
Years ago I had a supervisor who craved a '100%' contribution rate from his subordinates. My refusal to cooperate landed me in his office, where I had the pleasure of refusing him to his face.

Gid he get a kickback?

I always hated that 100% BS in the military...it never happened because I refused.

32 posted on 12/25/2001 7:41:22 PM PST by hattend
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To: bayourod
Here's an obituary published today (12-25-01) at Newsday.com. What is the connection between homosexuals and hepatitus, and what is the difference between hep B and hep C? Apparently, this Lance Loud didn't get a liver, or a new liver would not have helped.

Lance Loud

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Lance Loud, a freelance journalist whose family was the subject of a television documentary series, died Saturday of complications from hepatitis C. He was 50.

He was part of "An American Family," the PBS series that was one of the first unscripted programs on mainstream television. The show focused on the family, who allowed filming of their daily lives for seven months in 1971. The 12-part series aired in 1973 and was considered a hit.

When he was 20 years old, Loud announced he was gay on the show, a public avowal that was unusual during the early 1970s. His decision drew widespread support from many gays.

After the series aired, Loud lived in New York for several years and performed in a rock band called the Mumps.

In 1981, he moved back to California, where he studied journalism. He often wrote articles for the Advocate, Details and Interview. He also had a few small television and film roles.

Whenever "An American Family" was rebroadcast, Lance returned to the spotlight. A one-hour sequel, "An American Family Revisited: The Louds 10 Years Later," appeared on HBO in 1983.

33 posted on 12/25/2001 7:43:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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"What is the connection between homosexuals and hepatitus"

Homosexual men are virtual disease incubators, whether they have AIDS or not. They also seem to all have emotional problems.

They claim that homosexuality is genetic instead of a voluntary choice, because on one would ever choose the problems associated with being gay. But then they expend tremendous efforts to recruit young men and to force the acceptance of homosexuality.

34 posted on 12/25/2001 9:31:35 PM PST by bayourod
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To: bayourod
They claim that homosexuality is genetic instead of a voluntary choice....

Yeah, I never understood that claim - - it doesn't make sense on the face of it. How would such genes get passed on, if you get my drift? Also, how would such genes come to be in the first place and wouldn't there be a natural diminishing effect leading to the eventual extinction of homosexuals?

35 posted on 12/25/2001 10:43:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
When I was in high school many years ago, the science teacher, coach Johnson, said that about the only thing he knew about genetics was that if your parents didn't have any children, then you probably won't either. But we now know that if your parents were lesbians that you will probably be a lesbian also.
36 posted on 12/26/2001 12:02:42 AM PST by bayourod
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To: BoPepper
"...And risk saving the life of a liberal?..."

LOL!

Nice try, but no cigar.

1) You can't leave the streets clogged with wreckage.

2) My call will merely be one of several.

3) It won't be my finger plugging any liberal's severed artery.

37 posted on 12/26/2001 4:47:58 AM PST by DWSUWF
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"...Gid he get a kickback?..."

It's hard to say.

My guess would be that the UW is way too tight-fisted to pony up any 'back-atcha' cash.

He probably got the word, from above, that the company wanted to present this sort of image, with an unspoken threat or promise regarding how his 'performance' would affect his career.

The company I'm referring to here was prone to get involved in this sort of public relations eyewash BS, in several different forms, over the course of any given year.

They would stage an annual charity spectacle every year where virtually every employee was expected to 'volunteer' to go wipe the butts of the poor, teach treefrogs to masturbate correctly or perform some other vital public service.

I don't know how any of these events ever turned out, first hand... I always burned a vacation day instead.

38 posted on 12/26/2001 5:02:07 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: BoPepper
"...P.S. Please be sure not to benefit from any medical advances developed by liberals. After all, you would not lift a finger to save their lives. I would not want you to be a hypocrite..."

LOL!

Who cares what you think, sport? Not I.

I'll take what can be had to take from a liberal without the slightest compunction.

Enemies are to be used, not respected or given fair treatment.

40 posted on 12/26/2001 7:21:12 AM PST by DWSUWF
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What is the connection between homosexuals and hepatitus,

Hepatitis B and C are spread by contaminated body fluids. Co-infection is common. Hep C and HIV co-infection is often the result of IV drug use.

and what is the difference between hep B and hep C?

Hepatitis is inflammation of the liver. Hep B and Hep C are two of several viruses that cause hepatitis.

42 posted on 12/26/2001 8:58:33 AM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: BoPepper
"...Your "plan" for two separate nations makes you a first-class nut case..."

Your peculiar inability to 'just let go' forces me to conclude that you're sweet on me...

(Which leaves me hoping that you're a female).

Unfortunately (for you) I've currently got a wife, and there's another woman who has 'dibs' on me if my wife dies.

Nevertheless, you're welcome to take your place in line behind them if you like.

I will need a complete description, photograph and maintenance log of any recreational vehicle you own. A desirable RV won't allow you to cut ahead in line, but it can prevent you from being 'bumped' in the future.

XXX OOO (unless you’re a guy, of course)

43 posted on 12/26/2001 10:12:58 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: bayourod
"While many transplant centers oppose the surgery for HIV-positive patients, UPMC's Thomas E. Starzl Transplantation Institute has performed 10 liver transplants on HIV-positive patients since 1997."

This is the madness of the whole AIDS scam. If you are tested positive for harmless antibodies to the HIV virus which itself has never been shown to cause immune suppression you are refused treatment for your REAL condition.

How many people would be alive today it they had been given treatment for actual conditions instead of so called AIDS.

AIDS is an invention of the gay AIDS charities and liberal media.

Read the truth at: - http://www.aidsRC.org

45 posted on 12/27/2001 1:26:07 PM PST by David Lane
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To: BoPepper
"...I suggest that you look up irrational and hypocrite in the dictionary (big book with lots of words). I am not complimenting you...By the way, I am a happily married man..."

Well, Bo peep, whether you be man, woman or a curious mixture of the two, you have a peculiar inability to comprehend when your (yawn, bored) audience is goofing on you.

I'll bet money, marbles or chalk that your wife rolls her eyes a lot.

46 posted on 12/27/2001 2:20:20 PM PST by DWSUWF
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"...My wife rolls her eyes alot when she reads your nonsense. She respects me and thinks people like you are idiots..."

Nyah... I don't believe that.

48 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:16 AM PST by DWSUWF
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"...Were you goofing when you posted your idiotic plan for a divided America?..."

No, of course not. And you're not even getting that right. I don't envisage a divided America Peep, I envisage an America made whole again and divested of closet liberals like you.

50 posted on 12/29/2001 12:11:29 AM PST by DWSUWF
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