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An Islamic Fifth Column
Opinion Journal ^ | 12/26/2001 | FARRUKH DHONDY

Posted on 12/25/2001 8:09:28 PM PST by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LONDON--John Walker Lindh, the California Talib, captured the public imagination with his odyssey from Marin County to Mazar-e-Sharif. Yet his tale, arguably, is an exotic one, a sui generis conceit. More disconcerting was Mohammad Junaid, the New York-born Pakistani-American who, after Sept. 11, ditched his $70,000-a-year job as a computer techie and joined the Taliban to "kill Americans." He did so to the cheers of his mother, who, astonishingly, had been rescued from the World Trade Center.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: jihadinamerica; jihadnextdoor
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1 posted on 12/25/2001 8:09:28 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: summer
Ping
2 posted on 12/25/2001 8:09:59 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
As for the officials of the U.S. and Britain, they need to redirect the energy that they have poured into race relations and multiculturalism into a defense of the values of freedom and democracy.

Just doing that and all the things implied by it would be sufficient, thank you.

3 posted on 12/25/2001 8:19:09 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Pokey78
But.... Islam is a peaceful religion ....
4 posted on 12/25/2001 8:21:27 PM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: Pokey78
As for the officials of the U.S. and Britain, they need to redirect the energy that they have poured into race relations and multiculturalism into a defense of the values of freedom and democracy. Their future depends on it.

Worth repeating.

5 posted on 12/25/2001 8:22:50 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Pokey78
My $0.02.(from a layman)

Typical Arab/Muslim nations have certain characteristics I have observed. Save Turkey and maybe a few others, most of these societies do not practice "separation of church and state" and where Islam rules, all other religeons are usually banned. Muslims convert on pain of death. The average Muslim is taught to hate Jews and Christians as infidels. While many Muslim countries trade with the US and even have freindly relations with us, most of their populace hates America and do view us as infidels to either be tolerated, or in the eyes of the more militant, to be destroyed.

Trust me, when these same people visit or come to live in America, they don't automatically change their views of us. They have not come to be part of America, but only to reap what we have to offer.

6 posted on 12/25/2001 8:27:47 PM PST by umgud
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To: Pokey78
What Islam needs is a reformation, and if this very concept is forbidden in the unchangeable word of the Koran,

And they need to edit the Koran quite heavily.

7 posted on 12/25/2001 8:35:12 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
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8 posted on 12/25/2001 8:38:43 PM PST by timestax
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To: umgud
They have not come to be part of America, but only to reap what we have to offer.

That's very true. A few years ago when I was getting homeowner's insurance, the agent asked me if I would have Middle Eastern guests because we have a problem here with them getting invited to people's homes and faking injuries so they can get free medical care for injuries they had in their own uninsured homes. A friend of mine found out her Muslim neighbors would only let her kids play at other people's homes in case they got hurt because they didn't want to carry insurance but use other people for that.

9 posted on 12/25/2001 8:39:05 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Pokey78

British Muslims, Guardian Oct. 30
11 posted on 12/25/2001 9:03:40 PM PST by Shermy
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To: FITZ
"And they need to edit the Koran quite heavily. "

Well, that's the problem isn't it? The Koran is specific in its command to Muslims to kill anyone who refuses to convert.

Nothing that anyone can say or do can change what a billion copies of the Koran clearly state.

There is no such thing as a "moderate" Muslim, there are simply some who won't publicly acknowlege their religious beliefs.

12 posted on 12/25/2001 9:18:34 PM PST by bayourod
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To: bayourod
Nothing that anyone can say or do can change what a billion copies of the Koran clearly state.

Yes it's pretty clear on that. That seems to be the central problem in that religion/political system.

13 posted on 12/25/2001 9:23:22 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Djk
Are you saying Islam is a religion of pi$s?
14 posted on 12/25/2001 9:24:33 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Pokey78
Upscale Muslim organizations expressed regret at the atrocity and denounced Messrs. Hamza and Bakri.

Surely the law makers, in Britain and the US are intelligent enough, to write laws against incitement to violence by so called religious leaders(presuming existing laws are deficient). The question is if, even in light of Sept. 11th, they have the political will.

Common sense dictates these devil-worshippers be arrested, tried and put in prison, or deported if not citizens. Religious freedom, freedom of speech, and the Constitution were not intended to be a suicide pact.

16 posted on 12/25/2001 9:33:34 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
Deport them. All. Now. Before. It's too late.
17 posted on 12/25/2001 9:40:24 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Pokey78
This article make my blood run cold.
18 posted on 12/25/2001 9:45:40 PM PST by tank_sherman
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To: Pokey78
"...a new Muslim leadership of mullahs, financed by various Islamic powers around the world, was setting up mosques and schools in Britain,...."

They're subverting our freedoms here as well. First, get rid of the Mullahs. Second, block the funding.

20 posted on 12/25/2001 10:15:58 PM PST by brat
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To: Pokey78
There are no moderate Islamics only those who have yet to understand what the Quran actually says. After they do, they become the instruments of death and destruction to all who would oppose the subjugation of the world.

Islam is all or nothing, I say let's make it nothing.
21 posted on 12/25/2001 11:45:40 PM PST by hsszionist
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To: Pokey78
A very Interesting read!!!! I read it and saved it to read again later and to share and pass on....
22 posted on 12/26/2001 12:23:51 AM PST by buffyt
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To: grlfrnd
Ann Coulter would agree with you, don't just profile them, deport them. She had an excellent article about this and you can read the whole article at Detainment Isn't Enough!!! http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20011004.shtml Here is just part of it....

House leaders recently rejected the Bush administration's request for authority to detain suspected terrorists indefinitely. Under the House plan, the government could hold immigrants suspected of terrorism for only seven days without bringing charges. Let's hope seven days is enough for the government to perform a thorough intelligence-based investigation of a million Muslim immigrants!

Oddly, it would be easier to deport immigrants than to detain them. Under the Constitution, visitors to this country have no right to be here, but they may have a right not to be detained indefinitely without a hearing.

War is being waged on our soil by noncitizen infiltrators, legally admitted by the INS. If Congress says the attorney general can't detain them, we ought to deport them. (From the "not ready to move on" file: Isn't it curious that we have room for 19 Muslim mass murderers, but no room for an innocent little Cuban boy? In addition to deporting immigrants from terrorist-producing countries, someone should look into deporting every person who ever worked for the INS.)

Any senator (Teddy Kennedy) who is opposed to the mass deportation of immigrants from suspect countries would be free to waive in as many potential terrorists as he could sign his name to. At least then we'd have true government accountability, rather than collective foot-dragging based on pristine tributes to civil rights.

We won't even necessarily need to call on the fine-tuned screening procedures of the INS. The law could simply state that immigrants from certain countries aren't allowed to be here after a certain date, unless they receive a waiver.

Admittedly, fanatics willing to launch monstrous suicide missions are probably also going to be willing to violate a general order of deportation. But it would raise the terrorists' transactions costs. At the very least, noncitizen terrorists will have a tough time maneuvering around the country, becoming pilots, getting hazardous materials licenses and generally doing the things they need to do to nuke Manhattan.

Everyone is profiling now anyway. No one talks about it, which allows liberals the luxury of ritualistically denouncing racial profiling. Ordinary Americans aren't going to die for political correctness. And airlines aren't going to fly empty planes.

The facts are: (1) Nineteen male immigrants of Middle-Eastern descent recently murdered thousands of civilians on our shores in a coordinated attack; (2) other people answering to the same description have been apprehended in the country as suspected co-conspirators; and (3) according to the attorney general, there are more sleeper terrorist cells at large that the government has yet to identify.

Complaints about heightened suspicions toward people who fit the description of fanatical Islamists go well beyond opposing indiscriminate hate. It is a demand that Americans not even have their antennae up.

Focusing on men of Middle-Eastern appearance is less "profiling" than suspect identification. It is in keeping with the standard police practice of not looking for people over 6 feet tall when the eyewitnesses tell you the perp is 5 feet 2 inches. When looking for the Unabomber, I promise you -- the FBI wasn't rousting Asians or Arabs.

This is only part of the article. I love Ann Coulter and Jonah Goldberg articles!

23 posted on 12/26/2001 12:37:11 AM PST by buffyt
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To: Pokey78
Interesting article; thanks for the flag.
24 posted on 12/26/2001 12:49:00 AM PST by summer
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To: Djk
It can sop up grease stains in the driveway.
25 posted on 12/26/2001 12:57:47 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Pokey78;grlfrnd
It is obvious that we are in a war for our very lives. We have been attacked numerous times, and until now have done nothing.

The enemy is not a small group of individuals within a peaceful sect, it is Islam itself. Unless we remove them from our midst, we can never win. It is probably not possible to do this, so I guess we put up with terrorist attacks here at home indefinitely.

If the premise of the article is correct, that the followers of the Koran will not assimilate, then we have a malignancy within the body of America. Without surgery, the country as we know it will perish.

The politicians will not do anything but call for stricter laws, and more suspensions of the constitution. This will eventually lead to a fifth column of those who are traditionaly wary of govt power to rise up against this govt, and begin terrorist attacks of their own. IMHO if the govt does not at least excise the cancer within, and that includes all illegals, things can only get worse.

It is beginning to look like one of the things that will come from this is a form of national ID, the religious will fight it, but it looks to be inevitable. It would be a logical step, and could be a useful tool to identify those not legally here. I hate to see it, but one more atrocity committed against the nation, and people will scream for something to be done, and that is the next step for those that have planned for this eventuality.

26 posted on 12/26/2001 8:28:41 AM PST by jeremiah
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To: Pokey78
lets bump for later reading
27 posted on 12/27/2001 8:53:13 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: umgud
Please bump for newbies and veteran FReepers who have not seen this post!!
28 posted on 01/02/2002 8:15:26 PM PST by timestax
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To: Dr.Deth
bump for the newbies!!
29 posted on 01/02/2002 8:24:24 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
bump is you hate terrorists!
30 posted on 01/03/2002 9:49:42 AM PST by timestax
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To: jeremiah
bump if you hate terrorists!!
31 posted on 01/03/2002 1:36:30 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Bump if you hate terrorists too too too
32 posted on 01/03/2002 8:21:20 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: Pokey78; *Jihad in America; *Jihad_next_door
al-Bump.
33 posted on 01/03/2002 8:26:59 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: jeremiah
OOOOooooh yeAH!!
34 posted on 01/03/2002 9:55:30 PM PST by timestax
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To: Pokey78
bump this for the newbvies to read and get educated about those islams/muslums!
35 posted on 01/04/2002 6:47:39 AM PST by timestax
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36 posted on 01/04/2002 3:40:27 PM PST by timestax
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To: CatoRenasci
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37 posted on 01/13/2002 2:54:26 PM PST by timestax
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To: umgud
The majority of immigrants come to America to make money. If they could make as much money in their native lands they would have to come to the U.S. Is coming to the U.S. for the sake of American dollars neccissarily a bad thing?
38 posted on 01/13/2002 3:01:26 PM PST by koba
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To: koba
I don't fault anyone for wanting to come to America for the good life. My comments were Arab specific and were directed at the fact that Arab/Muslim countries (and the people who make up those countries) had practices and beliefs that are counter to our culture. I also pointed out freedoms we have here that would not be extended to us were we living or visiting their countries.
39 posted on 01/13/2002 4:51:56 PM PST by umgud
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To: CatoRenasci
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40 posted on 01/26/2002 10:58:27 AM PST by timestax
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To: FITZ
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41 posted on 01/27/2002 8:27:53 AM PST by timestax
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To: Pokey78
". One can't shelter in one's home those who would kill you. Yet Britain has given permission to stay to the likes of Messrs. Hamza and Bakri. The very liberalism against which they preach has nursed this Fifth Column.

You'd think that countries could learn an important lesson from the Spanish who simply shoved the moslems out a few centuries ago. Instead, we accept the mantra of the liiberals who, not believing in anything absolute, think that all religion is just a game and that they can all just reside peacefully together.

America seems to be especially susceptible to this way of thinking even though islam is illegal here.

42 posted on 01/27/2002 8:54:44 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
They didn't simply shove them out ---it took them 700 years until they learned how to get rid of them. Thank God they did because they saved European civilization when they did.
43 posted on 01/27/2002 10:14:25 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Just how did they do it? The moslems had to have been in Spain for hundreds of years. If Spain could give them the boot, so can the US!
44 posted on 01/27/2002 11:56:44 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Pokey78
Radical Islam is an insane death cult.

"Moderate Islam" is just a cover for the radicals to operate within.

45 posted on 01/27/2002 12:06:50 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
That has got to be the post of the day!!
46 posted on 01/27/2002 12:15:11 PM PST by winslow
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To: FITZ
"And they need to edit the Koran quite heavily."

Try to put yourself into Mohammed's shoes for a moment. He was trying to create a new religion with himself at the head. He knew the only way to get people to accept this new religion was by force and indoctrination. And he had to make the adherrents believe they were superior to other peoples. The adherrents of other faiths were infidels or inferiors. His new religion/society was to be a patriarchal one with men as rulers over women. Women were to walk behind their "master," not beside them as a helpmate.

The east has managed to get things pretty screwed up, but so has the west, so I won't fault them for that. Both the east and west have messed up the religion - secular spheres and men - women relationships. I don't mind the east having their own cultures and views on life. They are entitled to their own ways of doing things. I have put in some 12 years of living in foreign countries, and I don't think the US has all the answers to living the fruitful life. What I do have against the east is they are trying to bury us.

Anyway, don't look for an editing of their sacred texts anytime soon. They are pretty set in their ways.

47 posted on 01/27/2002 12:30:21 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: winslow
Thanks!
48 posted on 01/27/2002 4:32:58 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Pokey78
An Islamic Fifth Column

Then there is a "Sixth Column" in this country. You'll find them in schools, on the newscasts.............just listen for them. You'll know them when you hear them speak.

49 posted on 01/27/2002 4:38:05 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: sheik yerbouty
bump
50 posted on 01/28/2002 7:38:20 AM PST by timestax
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