Posted on 12/27/2001 1:35:48 AM PST by Ada Coddington
The obvious is painful, hence the "judgemental" question, this young man committed an act of treason by taking up arms against the country of his birth. The death penalty is appropriate in this case.
Perhaps he also needs better research help , as well. There HAVE been articles, and talking heads , who have been just as hard on Johnny Jihad, and his parents, about his converting to Islam. It is also ridicculous, that Sobran doesn't know that American born citizens are proscribed from going overseas, and fightig in other nation's Civil Wars.
Only those with VERY little knowledge, can read this drivel and applaud it.
No war, no treason.
Not true--what they are proscribed from doing is taking up arms against the U.S. or giving aid/comfort/assistance to enemies of the US. If the "civil war" is one in which the US is not involved, they can go fight in it any time they want (see Jewish US citizens fighting in the Israeli army, or the leftist "Lincoln Brigade" in the Spanish Civil War to pick just two examples).
How do we know if it was not Johnnie Boy's Terrorist Taliban Bullets that Killed...Murdered our CIA Agent Mike Spann???
When found Guilty..."NUTTY" Johnnie Boy should either be HANGED BY HIS DISGUSTING TRAITOROUS NECK ~ OR ~ Sent To Sit On Old SPARKY To FRY..HIS "NUTTY" Behind!
AND...SHAME ON HIS PARENTS For allowing their "NUTTY" Little Johnnie Boy to run off and become what he is TODAY:
A TRAITOROUS MURDERER WITH INNOCENT BLOOD ON HIS HANDS AND HEAD!
I wonder if these two have gone to New York City to "SEE" for themselves what: THEIR..."NUTTY" Little Johnnie Boy HELPED to do to INNOCENT AMERICANS AND OTHERS.
THE PARENTS OUGHT TO BE JAILED FOR THEIR FAILURE TO BE PARENTS...Self Serving Socialistic, New Age Humanists!
AND...They ought to take X 42 and HillzeBeast along with them!
WHAT A LEGACY THAT THEY ALL LEAVE IN THEIR WAKE.
GOD'S JUDGMENT DAY IS COMMING!
She said, "No war, no treason" and she may very well be correct. The United States of America has not officially declared war upon anyone. That is a very important technical sticking point in regards to trying him or anyone else for treason in this circumstance.
Meanwhile, everyone else called John a "traitor." Many are demanding that he receive the death penalty. The US government wants to throw the book at him. But there are also doubts as to whether he is legally a traitor; though technically still a US citizen, Congress hasn't declared war as prescribed by the Constitution. And there may not be the two required witnesses to confirm that he actually made war against the United States.
Contained in this paragraph are the keys to this entire event.
I was always of the belief that a formal declaration of war by congress was required for the United states to be technically "at war", but another Freeper recently put his good historical scholarship to task and presented numerous examples from the very birth of our Republic which support the argument that a formal declaration of war by congress is not needed when we are attacked, but rather, only when we proactively wage war (strike first).
I'll look for the thread and a link.
Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Ada Coddington wrote No war, no treason.
And riley1992 wrote She said, "No war, no treason" and she may very well be correct. The United States of America has not officially declared war upon anyone.
By this logic, if Johnny Bin Walker was one of the hijackers on the aircraft and piloted one of the planes into the WTC towers, and the US then declared war, he would not have been a traitor because the US had not declared war at the time the events occurred. Are we saying only actions after the US declares war would be traitorous or could actions that involve levying war against the US be traitorous?
I am a little perplexed that we assume that since a state of war doesn't exist that treason is impossible. The constitution does not require a state of war to exist only that the accused levyed war against us. Comments?
No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
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