If you don't like this country, then why don't you get the hell out?

Rant ^ | Today

[ambrose]

If you don't like this country, then why don't you get the hell out?

[ambrose]

I am continually amazed to read of stories of third world Muslim resident aliens applauding the WTC attacks. Anyone remember the story of the Ethiopian student at SDSU?

What's even more shocking is the number of (so-called) Freepers who are defending the Muslim terrorists! They post drivel about how we must be "sensitive" and not appear "mean-spirited" to the commie scum over at the DemoRat Underground. This is total insanity! It is as if September 11th never happened. What will it take for you fools to wake up and realize we are at war? You can either stand with the United States of America, or you are no better than Osama bin Laden's henchmen.

Also seen on various threads are Euro Trash trolls who like to write about how wonderful socialist Europe is, and how uncultured, fat and lazy Americans are. Prior to September 11th, their nonsense was amusing and tolerable. But the world has changed now, and it is becoming clearer to me that the Euro Trash are not much better than the Muslim terrorists in one critical way: the inability to tell right from wrong.

In any event, this rant is meant to have a purpose beyond pure vanity. What I want to convey here is yes, we are at war, one that we must win. Do not allow yourself to be cowered into silence. When you read the umpteenth thread about how some new band of Muslim terrorists are attacking innocents, SPEAK YOUR MIND. Don't allow the thought police intimidate you into silence.

This is a Free Republic. This is America! And if you don't like it, then why don't you get the hell out?

[B1B_Lancer]

They can't leave because they are on welfare. :-)

[rockfish59]

they won't leave because the perverts love to hide behind the constitution!
(and they love the money)

[ambrose]

Bump

[Pistias]

how uncultured, fat and lazy Americans are

I would take any European's admonitions with a BIG grain of salt, but have you ever been to Wal-Mart?

[JohnHuang2]

Amen, abrose. Good 'rant'.

[£inuxgruven]

I'd ask you to discuss your thoughts as to why the US needs a military base in the middle of Saudi Arabia (and what you would think if Saudi Arabia wanted to station active troops in texas, for example) but then I realized *you can't think* so..........never mind...

[Leroy S. Mort]

What's even more shocking is the number of (so-called) Freepers who are defending the Muslim terrorists!

I musta missed that. Can you provide some links? Or is this just hyperbole?

[JohnHuang2]

abrose=ambrose

[ambrose]

abrose=ambrose

I don't care what you call me, just as long as you spell my name right :)

[JohnHuang2]

hehehe

[eyebeme]

They don't need to leave, we have people here who will defend them until they have turned blue because our Constitution grants them rights and privelages that most Americans do not have. Personaly, I think they should all have to swim home.

[Leroy S. Mort]

...our Constitution grants them rights and privelages that most Americans do not have.

Now that's interesting. What rights and privelages (sic) would those be?

[ambrose]

I musta missed that. Can you provide some links? Or is this just hyperbole?

Many of those threads seem to get yanked these days.

[JoeA]

First off, let me agree up front that I too am tired of the increasingly prevalant trashing of our country by Euros and others, and especially our home-grown lefists.

Now (and I have my Nomex on) let me pose this question. If the rights set forth in the Constitution are those naturally occurring, as they are granted not by man but by God, then aren't these rights not merely rights of Americans, but of all men? And therefore, don't foreigners, illegals, etc., have the same rights and protections as the rest of us?

This troubles me. Do we deny rights to others, as they are not Americans, and in doing so defile the very Constitution we seek to defend?

.. posting this here because it almost fits in with the thread.. and what the heck is everyone doing up so late?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

[Leroy S. Mort]

Many of those threads seem to get yanked these days.

Oh......I see......

[£inuxgruven]

She says she's turning Republican!

No doubt her "turning" retardican will stop the heathen from "demonstrating daily in Fremont against our nation and for their brethren in Afghanistan"

ROFL

Can someone (ANYONE) wake me when this nonsense is over?

[eyebeme]

I stepped outside to have a smoke and started thinking the same thing. My thought was more along the lines of State law rather than Federal. I guess I am just upset over people who whine when immigrant aid programs get dropped yet they don't give a hoot about homeless or hurting Americans. My sister lost her job and all of the benefits(read insurance) that went with it due to the aftermath of 9/11 but I don't see a hoard of people trying to protect her right now. If someone is here of there own accord they should try to embrace our society and ideals, if they can't do that they should go back to where they came from.

[ambrose]

Oh......I see......

I knew you'd see things my way.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"And therefore, don't foreigners, illegals, etc., have the same rights and protections as the rest of us?"

That question is answered here:
Author: Ann Coulter Future Widows of America: Write your Congressman

[piasa]

I'm not too bothered about German pilots flying AWACS missions over the US. Nor, I suspect, were people too bothered in Revolutionary times by the sight of the French fleet in our waters...

Nor were the British overtly upset by Yank troops in Britain in WW2, or now with US planes based there. Nor were the Kuwaitis bothered by the presence of the US since anything was preferable to the presence of Iraq's forces. Nor are the people of Singapore upset by US carriers in their port. And in Europe, many were the people praying the US would take their region instead of the USSR when the Reich fell.

Why should anyone fret over what a Saudi EXPATRIOT thinks, an exile who was himself occupying Afghan land using brutality, terror and force, about the US presence in Saudi Arabia? The US doesn't lop off Saudi arms and legs, nor walk about the country slapping people with whips made out of cut up tires, nor do we degrade the standard of living in the region or run Saudis from their homes, nor hang them on the streets the way Osama's people were doing to their 'hosts.'

[CHRISWGOP]

Amen it is about time that people realise that you need to stand and fight for what this country stands for not some idiots that are not willing to shed a little blood for this country. I can tell you this I was a corporal in the United StatesMarines up to 11/08/90 and the guy's and gal's that I was in with over in Saudi Arabia would light there collective pitards If the gloves where removed but couldn't thats why we are in the civ div now and ready to wage a jihad. bring it as the rock would say! Semper Fi.

[£inuxgruven]

Congratulations, It's one big happy New World Oder, isn't it. Enjoy. Sovereignty (both individually and nationally) is dead, rejoice...for now.

[eyebeme]

What the hell are you babbling about??

[JoeA]

Thanks, I read the article when published (and just now to refresh my mind). But it doesn't answer my question: since our Constitution describes the rights that a citizen has as rights that are natural, i.e ., unalienable, and then therefore, aren't they everyone's rights, not just American citizens?

I'm not talking about the garbage that's been added in the last 50 or so years, like welfare, EEOC protection, and the like. I mean trial by jury, freedom of speech, religion, etc.

And if not, why not? Where is it spelled out in the Constitution that these apply only to Americans?

I'm sorry I brought this up, but it bothers me, because in my heart I want the blood of all the terrorist SOBs running in the streets, and a sound trashing of their fellow travellers. But I am worried that if we take the wrong steps, we get on a slippery slope, or some other such cliche which I am unable to come up with at this hour.

[beekeeper]

thefutureisbrigth member since dec 29 2001. A disruptor.

[Brian Allen]

They can't leave because they are on welfare. :-)

Why don't you stick to the point?

Here is Ambrose talking [Absolute Good Sense!] about turd-wurld aliens, including the millions of criminal alien invaders -- and about the vast totalitarian fascisocialist hoards of organized RICO gangsters AKA the "Democratic" potty!

And you have to go and bring up poor old General Motors, Ford Motor Company, Boeing and the much vaunted "American farmer?"

;-)

[eyebeme]

I checked him out too, but I still want to know what he's babbling about.

[Brad C.]

I might be wrong on this, but I believe that Saudi Arabia invited us to build our bases there in order to help protect their interests. Many other countries have done the same.

[Leroy S. Mort]

I knew you'd see things my way.

Not until I see the referenced posts for myself, pardner.

[angkor]

If the rights set forth in the Constitution ... are granted not by man but by God

Where is this notion expressed in the Constitution, which is a body of laws pertaining to a system of representative government?

[wita]

Therein lies the problem Joe. The Constitution, Declaration of Independence, The Bill of Rights, etc, were the first documents I know of, since the Bible, to fully enumerate those rights, and provide a guarantee to the people, that government would honor those rights, and not seek to do as all governments before have sought and succeeded, to take away those rights in the quest for utopia, or ....pick a reason.

Our rights under the Constitution, have been IMHO severely curtailed over time, however, what rights we still have exceed by a factor of huge, vis-a-vis any other country on the face of this earth, and apply to all within our borders. It is imperitive, therefore, that within our borders, to the maximum extent possible, are only those deserving of those rights, who will not seek, because of said rights, to inject their own sorry socialist, thinking into our society and thus knowingly or otherwise, destroy what the founding fathers gave their lives and their fortunes to establish.

At the moment, the two prime political parties, the senate, the UN, the INS, any environmental group, and a number of other agencies, to perhaps be named right here on this thread, are suspected of contributing to the above destruction of that which we should regard more than life itself.

[cavador]

A declaration of war can only be carried out on a country. Al-quieda is not affiliated with any ONE country,but has bases in several countries-Afganistan,Pakistan,Iraq,Sudan,Indonesia & Phillipines to name a few.So America cannot really declare war officialy. It is more of a police action to clean up the world and get rid of these muslim lowlife scum.

[nopardons]

You just joined, and post THIS muck ? Go back to DU !

[eyebeme]

It was more directed to anyone who doesn't want to be here not any specific race. If you want to take over that's just great just be ready to work for your rewards.

[nopardons]

Is your tinfoil hat as painful as it appears to be, from your post ?

[beekeeper]

Now (and I have my Nomex on) let me pose this question. If the rights set forth in the Constitution are those naturally occurring, as they are granted not by man but by God, then aren't these rights not merely rights of Americans, but of all men? And therefore, don't foreigners, illegals, etc., have the same rights and protections as the rest of us?

You are using the Declaration of Independence and applying it to the Constitition. The Constitution is not from God but are the restrictions (or rights) we applied to the government, states and ourselves. Naturally occuring laws are laws that can be observed in nature, so life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are observable (DofI). But the three branches of government, states, trial by jury, etc, are not(Const). Just ask a lion about trial by jury. So the Constitution is not universal. It is for "We the people of the United States..."(from the preamble).

[ambrose]

Because we are now the majority in California. And we will get you the hell out of here, as soon as we'll be the majority in the US. In eight years time.

What kind of glue have you been sniffing?

[£inuxgruven]

/yawn

Is it too terribly hard to come up with something new? Tinfoil hats? That was soooooo 1999. But I'm glad you're spelling is improving.

[JoeA]

Well I've run the Declaration into the Constitution. But as the Declaration is the founding document, the constitution embodies its principles.

Specifically:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are. . .

[nopardons]

No, " tinfoil " is so FREEREPUBLIC !

Are you as young / juvenile as your posts sound ?

[JoeA]

Agree about the UN, INS, the two-that-are-really-one-political parties, etc. But perhaps the Constitution is fatally flawed by "recognizing" the rights in all men. The Founders had a much more limited and proscribed view of citizenship than now exists, and of course could not have envisioned the current ease in which anyone can walk into our country. Don't know, I have more questions than answers.

[exnavy]

You sound like one of them socialist ura-pee-uns.

[JoeA]

Yes, I know I've run the two together. However, and I don't have them handy to quote from, the Federalist papers strongly argue, as I recall, that these are God-given rights, to all.

[£inuxgruven]

/doubleyawn

Seriously, nopardons, can you ever discuss an issue, instead of concentrating on your petty nonsense? I've yet to see even an attempt. As I said to a previous nimrod, Goodnight, and sleep tight, and don't pay a lick of attention (like you had any) to the sounds of Washington and Jefferson rolling around in their graves. They didn't fight for the likes of you anyway.