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My Aunt has cancer - alternative treatment knowledge wanted
St. Georg Hospital ^ | 12/30/01 | Go Gordon

Posted on 12/30/2001 9:33:13 AM PST by Go Gordon

My aunt has cancer and is currently undergoing traditional treatment. To date, it does not appear to be working. At Christmas dinner, I was told she was contemplating looking into alternative treatments, specifically one offered at St. Georg Hospital in Germany. There, they offer Whole Body Hyperthermia.

From the literature Hyperthermia appears to be a process where the entire body (except the head) is super heated to 106 or 107 degrees. I have absolutely no medical background whatsoever. So I was hoping for two things to come from my post. 1) Does anyone know about the success or lack thereof of this procedure or know about St. Georg Hospital. 2) does anyone have any good suggestions for other possible alternative treatments.

In case its helpful, although I don't have all the details, I think the cancer started in the uterus, but has now spread to the lungs and elsewhere.


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I would be so grateful to anyone that can provide some good information. I have already done a google search on Dr. Burzynski (Texas) and Dr. Douwes (Germany). If any freepers know of anyone that has undergone alternative treatments and met with success, can you please post information relative to the type of treatment and where I can get info on the treatment/procedures. Thanks....John
1 posted on 12/30/2001 9:33:13 AM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Go Gordon
bttt
2 posted on 12/30/2001 9:36:48 AM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Go Gordon
Gordon, all I can offer you is a bump and a prayer for your aunt.
3 posted on 12/30/2001 9:39:17 AM PST by xJones
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To: Go Gordon
Click here
4 posted on 12/30/2001 9:47:24 AM PST by Georgia_JimD
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To: Go Gordon
Are they tumors?

My uncle has his PHD in the study of plants and insects and works at the University of Illinois in Champaign, Urbana, Il. A few years ago, he came across a plant chemical in Argentina or somewhere that dissolved large tumors up to 80% and totally dissolved small tumors.

I think they sent the info to the Medical branch of the university in Chicago.

You might try contacting the university for any new procedures they are trying there. Our renter's son had cancer and they were going to try something similiar that came out of Chicago but the treatment would have been given at St. Jude's but the child was in too bad shape.

Tried Baylor, the Mayo clinic or John Hopskins? They are three of the best hospitals for experimental treatments, I hear.

I don't know anything about this hospital or treatment in Germany but since my uncle just returned from a 3 month speaking sabbatical in Germany, he might have heard something so I'll see if I can get ahold of him and ask him about it.

5 posted on 12/30/2001 9:47:33 AM PST by chantal7
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To: chantal7
bump for help
6 posted on 12/30/2001 9:50:03 AM PST by Unknown Freeper
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To: Go Gordon
It used to be Sloan Kettering in New York that was THE place to go for "new" cancer therapies/treatments. Have not been paying a lot of attention for quite a while. Have not heard of the method you describe, but have heard/read very good things about a "holistic" approach, especially involving diet and a "positive mental outlook."

Your aunt and family will be in my prayers.

7 posted on 12/30/2001 9:51:48 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: MSSC6644
living-foods
8 posted on 12/30/2001 10:00:09 AM PST by AMERIKA
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To: Go Gordon
check this site out.
9 posted on 12/30/2001 10:00:09 AM PST by wfitch
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To: wfitch
take 2. Click here - Sheesh.

Also, the link above to living foods is a wonderful site.

Prayers for your aunt.

Remind her that she needs to keep a positive attitude, and never, never.......NEVER give up.

Ward

10 posted on 12/30/2001 10:03:59 AM PST by wfitch
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To: xJones
I'm sorry to hear about your aunt having cancer and I hope she will find an effective treatment.

If I had cancer, I would go to the nearest Cancer Center. All Cancer Centers communicate with the big places you have likely heard of. I would find out there what are the standard treatments and also what they know of alternative treatments.

I would also look into alternative treatments. When making a choice, it is usually not and either/or proposition. I would give great weight to well-studied treatments, not much weight to those that are only promoted by anecdote and testimonials.

If there is a standard treatment with reasonable hope of success, I would not be a guinea pig for an unproved treatment like the one you describe. It sounds dangerous.

If, however, I was convinced I was soon to be on my way out of this world, I might go for broke.

11 posted on 12/30/2001 10:07:27 AM PST by Marylander
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This is where I would go. They have a verifiable track record

The Gerson Institute
... Gerson Institute is a non-profit organization dedicated to the holistic treatment
of degenerative disease. Founded by Charlotte Gerson in 1978, it is the only ...
Description: A non-profit organization dedicated to the holistic treatment of cancer and other degenerative diseases....
Category: Health > Alternative > ... > North America > United States > California
www.gerson.org/ - 28k - Cached - Similar pages

13 posted on 12/30/2001 10:11:43 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Go Gordon
John:

First, try www.clinicaltrials.org to see what conventional medicine is doing with experimental treatments.

There are several cases of previously incurable cancer being apparently cured in recent years, in clinical trials or animal trials (with clinical trials upcoming). Examples are pancreatic cancer and gliablastoma.

Try finding a good clinical trial before you venture into the quack-infested world of alternative medicine.

Best wishes to your aunt.

14 posted on 12/30/2001 10:23:44 AM PST by monkey
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To: monkey
Look on the internet for "Essiac Tea". It's an herbal tea that CURES cancer. Yes, I said CURES. I know of 3 people who have used it to marvelous results. Please investigate this. It's the real thing. It will also help to keep anyone in general good health. I've been taking it for 7 years, and I haven't had a single cold in all that time.
15 posted on 12/30/2001 10:27:53 AM PST by the tongue
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To: Go Gordon
In case its helpful, although I don't have all the details, I think the cancer started in the uterus, but has now spread to the lungs and elsewhere

She has secondary cancers? I am sorry to hear that. I shall keep your aunt in my prayers.

17 posted on 12/30/2001 10:33:47 AM PST by Happygal
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To: Go Gordon
I think the cancer started in the uterus, but has now spread to the lungs and elsewhere.

In cases of manifold metastasis such as you describe, the "cure" is secondary to the treatment of the affected organs; almost anything you try now has about as much chance of reversing the condition as the established procedures; I'm sorry, for whatever that is worth.

19 posted on 12/30/2001 10:49:51 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: Go Gordon
Hyperthermia works locally, but it's not known if it works in the total body. (it works for some things, like tertiary syphillis, where they induced malaria fevers to cure it. But if it worked for Cancer, we would see cancers disappear in Africa)

Have you tried Cancer treatment centers of America? They combine regular therapy and alternative treatments.

20 posted on 12/30/2001 10:54:32 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Go Gordon
Hello, I'm so sorry to hear of your aunt. The father of a close friend of mine lived longer than expected (several years) possibly by supplementing his chemo/radiation, etc with shark cartilage treatments.

A doctor or scientist on Cape Cod has championed this research on the premise that few sharks ever get cancer. His book, "Sharks Don't Get Cancer" has loads of info - his name is I. William Lane.

It is important to note that he does not advocate relinquishing traditional therapies, but instead offers this an an alternative to augment the treatment. Prayers for you and your aunt.

21 posted on 12/30/2001 10:56:03 AM PST by PoorRider
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To: Go Gordon
My wife suffered for seven years with multiple myeloma(bone cancer). She passed away in June of this year. Soon after she was diagnost, a friend of a friend, told us about the Hoxey Clinic. It started in Texas the early part of the last century.

It had a lot of success with terminal patients. However, the FDA harassed them out of the country a number of years ago. My wife's disease, being a terminal disease, left us no choice but to try everything available.

We attended the Hoxey clinic for two and a half years. During that time the factor dropped enough so She didn't have to have Chemo. One day there they told us the tonic was not working anymore. We got a second opinion from the Mayo Clinic and they confirmed that. They are also aware of the Hoxsey Clinic, and had nothing negative to say about it.

It might be worth a try, if you have no other options. If you care to write me I will give you whatever information and help I can. I understand the horrible time you are going through. God Bless you and your family, and I wish you strength. Biffalo

22 posted on 12/30/2001 10:59:26 AM PST by biffalobull
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To: analog
Interesting site. I find it ironic that they take "health food stores" and such to task for "pushing" vitamins and related items on a "gullible" public, in pursuit of the almighty dollar. I have had the opportunity on many occasions to bear witness to many sales representatives of pharmaceutical cartels doing the same to doctors all over our great land. They bribe doctors and their staffs with pizzas, boxes of doughtnuts, et al, in order to sell them on the latest "miracle" from "sanctioned" drug manufacturers. How can the folks at "Quackwatch" condemn the health food community for practicing the same methodology employed by the pharmaceutical cartels?



23 posted on 12/30/2001 11:12:49 AM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: Go Gordon
There is a protocol by Dr kelly, using nutitional enzymes that has a 100% success rate when used correctly. He has an excellent pamphlet that explains the phisiology of cancer better than anything I have ever read. My email address is ray1944@earthlink.net if you want to know more.
25 posted on 12/30/2001 12:36:13 PM PST by Broward Lion
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To: Go Gordon
Sounds like the real killer variety. Same thing took my mother over a year ago. Has she been feeling bad the last year?

And what is her age, can she handle aggressive chemotherapy.

That is probably the only thing that can save her but it will put her on the edge of life.

This company seems to be onto something but FDA has not yet approved anything:

Selective Apoptotic Antineoplastic Drug (SAAND) Technology ,/b>

But they have a number of Phase three trials going on . Information is on the web site! Look for CP461 , it is being talked about as having great promise.

26 posted on 12/30/2001 12:54:52 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Go Gordon
Check out this:

Cell Pathways Advances Second SAAND Compound, CP461, to Phase II Testing

27 posted on 12/30/2001 1:07:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Go Gordon
There are an awful lot of alternative therapies out there...good luck. I believe that one shouldn't discount either traditional western treatments or eastern methods. One of the hardest treatments to follow, but which has very good long term effects, is switching to a macrobiotic diet...there have been many books written by physicians and patients who have overcome their cancers and other illness using a macrobiotic approach. There is no one practioner or hospital for this, so you can't really be scammed...but as I said, the food and diet require the patient to dramatically change their eating habits.
Another therapy that has been effective, and is not as carcinogenic as chemotherapy to the whole body, is the use of mistletoe as the chemo base....I know some people who went over the boarder to canada to obtain this treatment. Contact a physician who has studied anthroposophic medicine as well for more info.
28 posted on 12/30/2001 1:31:08 PM PST by Katya
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To: the tongue
Essiac is an herbal tea developed by a Canadian Nurse named Caisse in the 1940s. It is an immune system builder and has a reputation of curing cancer. Nurse Caisse visited indigenous indian tribes in Canada to offer her Medical services and on a trip there she examined an old woman with scars on her breasts. Asked what the scars were from the woman told her she had cancer but could not afford treatment. An Indian Medicine man gave her the tea and it cured the cancer.

Nurse Caisse investigated and refind the tea and it is sold in liquid form (if it is the real thing). She never sold the formula to the drug companies because she didn't trust them, but there are some Canadian doctors to whom she gave the formula, now living in USA. They do not practice medicine, but I do believe one of them is in Ft.Lauderdale Fl.. His name is Pierre Gaulin.

I too know of several people cured by the tea. My best friend was beyond curing but it gave her a year of pain free life she would not have enjoyed.

There are a lot of fakes out there so watch out. It costs about $40.00 for four bottles, if I remember correctly. It is not bad tasting. Good luck and God help you with your search.

29 posted on 12/30/2001 1:58:29 PM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
My sister-in-law has breast cancer.
Just had 5th Chemo treatment Thursday.
White count low.
T cells not right
Very sick.

I was wanting to find supplements that help replace what chemo does, and also things for nauseua (marijuana shake?), and immune boosters. Also what are recommended extracted organic juice combinations to speed absorption of whatever is lacking and/or needed.

Much thanks.
Much good info here already.
Freepers, happy to share information.
Good karma Jim Robinson. maryann

30 posted on 12/30/2001 2:17:03 PM PST by madfly
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To: who knows what evil?
Not only that, but one must never forget that oncology is a huge money-making industry and doesn't take kindly to losing customers and money. They have shut down several alternative cancer treatment websites like www.christianbrothers.com and www.worldwithoutcancer.com. - for our safety, of course.

However, they don't seem to have a problem with OTHER quack treatments and phony products, like diet pills and breast enlarging creams.

31 posted on 12/30/2001 2:22:23 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: All
Bump for alternative medicine
32 posted on 12/30/2001 2:26:06 PM PST by madfly
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To: chantal7
Thanks a million. Any additional help would be appreciated.
33 posted on 12/30/2001 4:04:47 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: chantal7
Thanks a million. Any additional help would be appreciated.
34 posted on 12/30/2001 4:06:24 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Georgia_JimD
Jim, thanks for the Lorraine Day site. I was out all afternoon. I got the benefit of the site and the bump. In fact, I'd like to thank everyone for helping, even the bumps made it possible for more people to see the thread. Thanks so much...
35 posted on 12/30/2001 4:12:04 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: AMERIKA
Thanks for the living food site. After reading it, I think I need to change my diet.
36 posted on 12/30/2001 4:17:59 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: wfitch
Thanks for the site reference. I agree with the mental aspect of things. I remember one of those 60 minutes type programs a few years ago about a boy who had a brain tumor. A doctor told him to play a mental video game every night before he went to bed. He was told to picture the tumor and play a space invaders type game, by visualizing the constant bombardment of the tumor until it evaporated/exploded.

The boy did this for about 3 months. One night, he went to play his "game" but he couldn't visualize the tumor. Subsequently, he had a CAT scan done, and miraculously, the tumor was gone. The power of the mind must be pretty awesome when focused. Anyway, thanks again.

37 posted on 12/30/2001 4:23:38 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Marylander
I agree. I am going to send the URL for this thread to my aunt and uncle later tonight, so they can see all the great ideas and suggestions, yours included. Maybe they'll even become Freepers. Thanks...
38 posted on 12/30/2001 4:26:30 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Go Gordon
I don'y have any more than a name I recall: Stanislaus Brezinski- an M.D. who has been on Ken Hamblin's show a few years ago with what seemed to be an effective treatment of malignancies that had failed to respond to conventional treatments.

Antineoplastins research/use [00154]
... more about the research and development by Dr. Stanislaus Brezinski (sp?) of antineoplastins
and cancer treatment. Why doesn't the FDA approve this treatment ...
www.meds.com/archive/mol-cancer/1996/msg00154.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages

Re: Antineoplastins research/use [00162]
... more about the research and development by Dr. >Stanislaus Brezinski (sp?) of antineoplastins
and cancer treatment. >Why doesn't the FDA approve this treatment ...
www.meds.com/archive/mol-cancer/1996/msg00162.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages


39 posted on 12/30/2001 4:27:45 PM PST by backhoe
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To: D Joyce
Great site. This is exactly the type of info I was hoping to get from fellow freepers in the know. D Joyce, maybe the "D" stands for "Dr."? Even if not, the site you provided should be very helpful. Thanks...
40 posted on 12/30/2001 4:29:22 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: the tongue
I first heard of this essiac "herb" when a client called to tell me he had leukemia. He was offered traditional treatment but refused. His wife placed him on essiac tea concoction she makes each day. He says it tastes like swamp water and looks worse. He drinks it each morning. His bloodwork is back within normal limits, spleen back to normal, bruising and gum bleeding stooped and the oncologist seems stunned. So am I. He had no energy to work and he is working full time. The last two check ups have been good. I cannot say essiac works but I speak with this fellow all the time and he swears by this stuff. I am a doubter. I am not impressed by much but this "herb" did help this guy back to health. How long will it last? I have no idea. I had to go to Google and search because I had never heard of it.
42 posted on 12/30/2001 4:43:23 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: analog
analog, thanks for the site references. There are bound to be quacks out there that need to be sorted out. It just seems awful that people that when people are the most vulnerable, there are those out there that wish to take advantage of the situation. Thanks again....
43 posted on 12/30/2001 4:48:42 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Broward Lion
Dr. Kelly is a major step in the right direction.

—William Donald Kelley, D.D.S., M.S.

One answer to cancer

http://www.drkelley.com/CANLIVER55.html

 

44 posted on 12/30/2001 4:51:59 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Go Gordon
I'd go to amazon.com first and do a search and find books that are written by physicians who believe in alternative immune system boosting treatments. That way you can read what others have to say about the treatments. You can look at the Issels Treatment at Oasis of Hope, Francisco Contreras, M.D. which is closer than Germany.
45 posted on 12/30/2001 4:52:25 PM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: LadyDoc
Have you tried Cancer treatment centers of America? They combine regular therapy and alternative treatments.

Yes. I think she has been through, or is going through chemo, and has recently started some kind of clinical drug testing. But the drugs apparently make her feet tingle and go numb. Now they want to increase the dosage, which may increase the problem in the feet to the point of not being able to walk. Thats what started the Christmas dinner conversation about alternatives.

Thats when I thought about freerepublic - the best darned web site in the world. I knew if there was anything out there that could help, some freeper would know, or be able to point me in the right direction. Based on the responses so far, my trust has not been misplaced. Thanks for your insight....

46 posted on 12/30/2001 4:54:04 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ernest, thanks a million. I'm gonna send the info along to my aunt and uncle....Go Gordon
47 posted on 12/30/2001 5:07:47 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: backhoe
Backhoe (great name by the way), thanks for the info. I'll pass it along.

BTW, to all that have helped, God bless you....John

48 posted on 12/30/2001 5:17:53 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Go Gordon
Check out the links on my profile page. Although the drug is not yet approved, the FDA has been pretty good about giving rapid approvals for compassionate use excemption, and since your aunt has failed with standard therapies I think she may be a good candidate.
49 posted on 12/30/2001 5:20:11 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: PoorRider
"His book, 'Sharks Don't Get Cancer' has loads of info"

Be that as it may, it's been demonstrated that sharks do indeed get cancer. Check out the links on my profile page. Aptosis -- programmed cell death -- is what will finally rid the world of cancer.

50 posted on 12/30/2001 5:22:26 PM PST by Don Joe
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