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To: jennyp, Carry_Okie, redrock, kattracks, kitchen, lowbridge, backhoe, blackie, GrampaDave, SierraW
More than that, Jenny Dahling.

More like control of land by corrupt bureaucrats.

Following is a part of a FReepmail i just received that discusses the situation. one of the addressees on this post sent it. He has my profound gratitude. Read and learn, Jenny.

Mark, do you want to weigh in here?

Saw the thread, but I'll review for updates. It is a local issue because of the plan to turn the Routt NF into a lynx study area.

Several years ago, the FS and the CO Division of Wildlife studied the forests and determined that there was no chance of success here. The last lynx was trapped before WW I, and there haven't been any snowshoe rabbits for about as long. I saw a snowshoe rabbit in the White River NF about 20 years ago and almost fainted. Anyway, it seemed that the lynx issue was settled until last year. I lost my contact info, but the gist was that, at a public meeting, the FS announced that they were going to make the Routt a lynx study area. When the audience pointed out that there was nothing for them to eat, the FS replied, "Ya, so what?" It isn't really about lynx; it's about banning motorized vehicles, chainsaws, hunting, etc. I hope for a connection between the criminal/feds in WA and the local decisions, as a way to get them set aside.

Guess who hobnobs with the FS types and conducts rulemaking meetings behind closed doors and then offers them to the "public" via a consensus building technique (a la the "Delphi Technique")?

Do your homework lady. The "Scientific Method" (tm) hasn't a chance against envirofascism.

2 posted on 12/31/2001 9:46:40 PM PST by sauropod
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If this description were true, this case should have been written up in advance as a single-blind test to validate the lab. Where is a dated document detailing the experimental design? Without that document, (and they surely would present it if they had it), this looks to me like a piece of crooked spin. As long as the supervisor agrees it was sent from a vial and not collected from the post we can't know the origin of the sample. Does the supervisor have a complicit motive?

How did they get the samples? Where are the requisitions? Fax records? Trip reports? Milage records? Where is the chain-of-custody document so common in such studies? Has anyone locked the files and sealed the computers?

It stinks of a coverup and may be a case of obstruction of justice.

5 posted on 12/31/2001 10:04:12 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: sauropod
but the gist was that, at a public meeting, the FS announced that they were going to make the Routt a lynx study area. When the audience pointed out that there was nothing for them to eat, the FS replied, "Ya, so what?" It isn't really about lynx; it's about banning motorized vehicles, chainsaws, hunting, etc.

Perhaps. Please understand, I'm not denying that it could be a fraud by the FS people. But after reading the Seattle Times story, the original story from the Wash. Times - where the claim of hair placed on the scratching posts first appeared - suddenly set off my BS detectors.

Do you think the hair was placed on the scratching posts, or was it put into sample vials?

11 posted on 12/31/2001 10:14:09 PM PST by jennyp
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To: sauropod

Humm... that might be a keeper.

20 posted on 01/01/2002 1:58:48 AM PST by backhoe
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To: sauropod
The paper said that if a whistle-blower hadn't acted, the fake samples would have shut down public lands to protect lynx that weren't actually there.

And give the government biologists exclusive control over their very own private woods. Here's a little something that depicts what's going on with state wildlife biologists, college honors programs, and some of the people involved:
On a related note, last summer’s Phi Theta Kappa’s Campus Honor’s Program held on the SPJC Tarpon Springs Campus did a marvelous job of raising the participants’ consciousness for this year’s honors topic: Our Complex World: Balancing Unity with Diversity. The guest speaker was M. J. M., a columnist for the St. Petersburg Times. She gave us all valuable insights into the necessity of what she called contrarian journalism and its duty to shock a complacent public into seeing that the world really is not as nice a place as people would like to believe.

Her talk was followed by a lively question and answer session. In it she demonstrated just how integrated our society has become by characterizing as two ethnic groups—white and black-- a group comprised of African-Americans, Anglos, Greeks, Hispanics, Indians, Iranians, and Italians. It’s great progress that ethnicity is seen entirely in terms of skin color and that national origin and language are no longer distinguishing characteristics, such as when her Italian grandfather suffered discrimination in the earlier part of the century. I asked her if she didn’t think that a change from when “Italian” was considered a distinct race to now when it was just a last name wasn’t an indication of how much things had improved in a so-called racist nation. No, she said. Things are just as bad as they ever were except that now it's even more insidious because it's not as obvious. One wondered, though, looking at the gradation of skin tone present just how she was assigning whom to which category or why that was even necessary. One participant rose to his feet and declaimed loud and long on how what we really need is love, you know, like what people were saying in the 60's; if we only had that, he said, racial hatred and inter-ethnic misunderstanding would then just disappear.

Before breaking for lunch, we formed groups that represented herds of deer. We alternately decimated and populated our herds by rolling dice and selecting fate or fortune cards. Our Tau Zeta chapter triumphed as Most Viable Deer Herd by remaining equidistant from extinction and overpopulation by the end of our stack of cards. This taught us that survival depends entirely upon a roll of the dice and whatever happens to be in the cards and that reason, learning, and foresight through experience are completely irrelevant.

During lunch I overheard the all-you-need-is-love advocate discussing his passion for the environment with the afternoon speaker, a biologist for the state of Florida. He told her that if he ever saw anyone kill an endangered _____ fill in the blank (I had not heard the name of the species in peril), he would not hesitate to put that person to death or at least knock him out, lock him in the trunk (whether his own trunk or that of the perpetrator of eco-cide was not clear), and then call the authorities. The biologist nodded her head gravely and agreed that man’s abuse of nature was a serious problem. It’s a good thing to know that there are still issues of life and death whose importance transcends the trivialities involved in inter-ethnic relationships and trans-cultural understanding.

After lunch, the honors topic was further reinforced by the aforementioned state biologist of Florida. Before her slide presentation of Florida’s varied and fragile ecosystems and the effects on them of human depredation, she prefaced her remarks by telling us that “like most biologists” she was leery of technology. One exciting slide showed state biologists burning off large sections of forest in an attempt to duplicate what they thought nature would have done had humans not been around. The technology used was impressive.

We then took part in a role playing game—the nutritional struggle of the black bear. Three participants were designated as blind bear, crippled bear, and mother-with-dependents bear. Going outside, we found a section of lawn covered with cards of colored construction paper bearing letters and numbers. Our task was to collect these with the following provisos: we couldn’t run or take more than one card at a time, we had to return each one separately to our den before getting another, we couldn’t take cards from some other bear’s den because, according to the state biologist, “bears wouldn’t do that” (but we could shove another 'bear' out of the way), and we had to wait until all of the cards were collected to find out what their coding meant. The letters stood for types of food and the numbers for pounds of it. We totaled our caloric intake to see whether or not we survived. Of course, the crippled bear, the blind bear, and the single female bear handicapped by dependents failed to survive—thus closely paralleling the Drama of Nature. This role playing taught us that bears are altruistic (though competitive, misogynistic, and insensitive to other bears with disabilities), are incapable of distinguishing one food from another, and always wait till they get home before eating what they have gathered. The exercise was used to underscore the necessity for government programs that would address inquities and preserve diversity.

Though I was initially a little unsure of just what Phi Theta Kappa would entail, this past summer’s Campus Honors Program has allayed my fears and showed me what a great time still lies ahead.

25 posted on 01/01/2002 6:00:14 AM PST by aruanan
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To: sauropod
Close the EPA !!

Stop enviro-nazis terrorism, now !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!

Happy New Year !!

29 posted on 01/01/2002 12:23:07 PM PST by blackie
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