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Wal Mart Policy on CCW
Posted on 01/04/2002 7:57:29 AM PST by oldfart
Since there has been some discussion here and elsewhere regarding Wal Mart's corporate policy regarding concealed weapons, I decided to go to the source. I (and you can do it too) dialed 1-800-WAL MART and waded through the various levels of computer generated voice mail before I finally got to speak to (I think) a real human.
I asked him about company policy regarding the carry of legally permitted concealed guns on Wal Mart property. He went of-line for a few moments, then returned and told me that, so long as the gun was kept concealed and the person carrying it had a permit to do so, Wal Mart would treat that customer just like any other customer.
I then asked what would happen if a customer had to use such a gun to protect him/herself or another customer. He said that since those occasions are so rare, each would have to be looked at with respect to the conditions at the time.
All in all, it does not appear that Wal Mart has a particularly hostile attitude toward CCW holders.
On the other hand, the manager of our local store had a different story. When I quizzed him about company policy, he told me that weapons were not allowed in the store or parking lot. He went out of his way to point out that when they sold a gun to a customer the clerk had to hand-carry it through the check-out line, out to the parking lot and make certain it was securely locked in the trunk of his/her car.
It sounds to me as if corporate policy hasn't quite made it down to local levels yet.
TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism
posted on 01/04/2002 7:57:29 AM PST
Comment #2 Removed by Moderator
True, corporate policy is sometimes slow in filtering down. But different managers make a difference...I know, that's redundant!
Our local Wal-Mart has gone from day to night with the arrival of a new Store Manager. Used to be I could order a handgun at the sporting goods counter, and that is no longer possible. And that is local policy.
posted on 01/04/2002 8:07:09 AM PST
"When I quizzed him about company policy, he told me that weapons were not allowed in the store or parking lot."
I suspect that he is correct in his answer but confused as to what the question actually was. Im confident that if we were to actually go to the manuals that contain the store policy, we would find something along the lines of...
"Rule 14: Employees may not carry firearms, other than to facilitate a purchase by a Wal-Mart customer, nor is any employee allowed to store firearms in their vehicle while on Wal-Mart premisis. Failure to comply will result in immediate termination".
Most of the companies Ive worked for have had a similar line somewhere in the employee handbook.
Well, whaddya know, you're right! Do/did you work for Wal-Mart?
Our local store terminated an employee who brought a gun to work and stored it in her locker.
posted on 01/04/2002 8:44:56 AM PST
Assuming one is not an employee of any of these businesses, who gives a damn what they want? They are not govenmental entities and cannot make law. Violation of a company 'policy' is of no consequence. We must not confuse business 'policy' with stautory rules [laws]; they are not the same.
In other words, don't ask, don't tell.
Sounds like a winning policy.
He went out of his way to point out that when they sold a gun to a customer the clerk had to hand-carry it through the check-out line, out to the parking lot and make certain it was securely locked in the trunk of his/her car.
This must be the local manager, when I bought a rifle a few months ago I was escorted to the door by a manager. They didn't follow me to my car.
posted on 01/04/2002 9:10:09 AM PST
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I would guess that state law would trump any "policy"... that is, if state law requires the manager to post a sign saying "no weapons", then unless they have such a sign you would be permitted to carry the weapon in a lawful manner as proscribed by the state in their stores.
Another little tidbit about Wally World and firearms - I bought ammo at our local Super Wally World, the clerk at the front asked me "is this for a handgun?"
At first I was amused by the mental image of a twelve guage revolver, loaded with buckshot, then irritated at the infringement on my privacy. I told her none of her business. She gave me a look, and I think she punched somthing on her register, but she didn't deny me my buckshot.
Anyone else seeing this at Wal-Mart? Does anyone know what this policy is supposed to be for?
posted on 01/04/2002 9:23:14 AM PST
No, Ive never worked for Walmart.
Some of the "No carry" employers I have worked for were I remember such a reference were the state, a utility, the nations largest producer of junk mail (no, I cant get you off "the list"), an electronic tax filing company, a PCS provider and one that sold and supported SEB's.
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The whole POINT of having a CCW is so that you can legally carry the weapon WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE KNOWING IT! If you are doing this right, no-one is going to be made nervous by your presence.
Here in Alaska, we have a CCW law (thank you, Jeannette James of North Pole! One of the best legislators this State ever had).
We also have a THEORETICAL right to open carry in most of the State- but better not try this in town. I recall a homesteader who went into a Safeway store in Fairbanks a few years ago, with his pistol on his hip. He was tackled by two Fairbanks police officers and placed under arrest- although no laws had been broken and he had threatened no-one.
But he made some urban resident (probably a recent arrival from the lower 48) nervous.
At one of my local stores, not a Wallyworld, handgun ammo is kept behind a counter and must be bagged along with an in store form and carried to the checkout by employees. Shotgun and rifle ammo are handled like any other product in the store, throw it in the cart and pay when you get around to it.
Good for you; you are to be commended for your persistence and sitting ability in getting through to an actual real-live person, and getting the truth from Wal-Mart. Glad to hear it.
They've gotten all my family's business ever since K-Mart first hired Rosie.
posted on 01/04/2002 9:39:23 AM PST
To: Res Nullius
We must not confuse business 'policy' with stautory rules [laws]; they are not the same.
I don't know the laws in other States, but here in NC if a store has a 'no concealed carry' sign in the window, you are in violation of the CC permit to carry in the store.
posted on 01/04/2002 9:53:54 AM PST
The whole POINT of having a CCW is so that you can legally carry the weapon WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE KNOWING IT!
The right idea. I have carried past many a greeter at the local Wally World. Even carrying into a business with a "NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED" sign should not bring an arrest, just be sure that if store personal ask, you leave immediately without raising a stink. On the other hand, if you are going into a business where the state bars carrying, then don't carry there.
posted on 01/04/2002 9:54:21 AM PST
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I'm in OKC. I bought my rifle at the new super Wal-Mart at council & N.W. Expressway.
posted on 01/04/2002 10:45:31 AM PST
When the clerk asks if the ammo is for pistol or rifle, tell them "No, it's for my machinegun" and then watch the fun.
Asking permission or otherwise trying to get Wal-Mart to go on record allowing concealed weapons is sure to be an exercise in frustration in these litigous times. I'm about as pro-gun as they get but if some customer called me out of the blue and asked me my company's policy on carrying handguns into my place of business, I'd be leery and very careful about how I handled it. Who knows, some nutcase will come in to shoot up the place and then claim that I gave him permission to take a gun into the store.
Just carry the damned gun into the store. Chances are, it will never be an issue because nobody will ever take notice. If, in the very rare and unlikely event you ever have to take the gun out to defend yourself, Wal-Mart will have little to do with it. Law enforcement will take over and judge your actions accordingly. So long as your permits are in order and you have a legitimate case for self-defense, you have nothing to worry about.
Before TN changed it's CCW law last year to allow us to carry in places which sell booze for off premise consumption, it was illegal to carry in TN Super Wal-Marts as they sell beer. Now I carry when I go to Wal-Mart..I try to never let it show. But don't worry over much about it. All they can do is ask me to leave. I haven't seen ONE sign that says no guns permitted.
posted on 01/04/2002 2:38:50 PM PST
Good work. I love people that actually DO
things when it comes to 2A.
I don't give 2 sh*ts what any company's "policy" is anyway. If they don't clearly post a sign that prohibits firearms on the premises, my piece goes with me. If they do post such a sign, I don't go in and they don't get my business.
posted on 01/04/2002 2:47:36 PM PST
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To: Vinnie;Res Nullius
I think you're both saying the same thing, just in different ways. See post #25.
posted on 01/04/2002 2:50:07 PM PST
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